MR MONTOYA

SUPRA WITH A LSX BLOCK ENGINE 2J WAS UNRELIABLE

ibmtech

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Never have seen a 305 or 350 do that either

Manic Z

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C'mon man, you're not talking serious, are you?
No stock thirdgen V6 is beating a 305 car, unless it's a turbo trans am.

ibmtech

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Basically if you beat a 305 TBI, the driver was more inexperienced than you..

Manic Z

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Bah, no offence to any of the V6 or 305 drivers our there, but when my car was a stock 305 T5, it was easy to launch. It`s not like these cars are spinning out of control.
Both V6 and 305`s are dogs. I just can`t see the driver being that much of a factor.
That being said, no way the V6 is beating the 305.

midnightfirews6

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I could MAYBE see it if it was an early auto LG4, fully optioned, bone stock and with bad gears behind it and a lot of miles on it and the 3.1 had no options, was tuned up and had a 5 speed.

Otherwise any LG4, L69 or L03 in good shape with some decent gears would win. More horsepower and more torque and only a couple hundred more pounds... there's no way to scratch a win out of that unless the v8 driver falls asleep at the wheel.

This is all just bench racing though. 20 years ago it might be a valid argument but all the 3rd gens left either aren't stock, have 300,000 on them or were kept in storage. If it isn't stock for stock it's just about who has the deepest pockets and is the most strategic about spending it, the 300k cars will have funky shifts and a lot of blowby and the guys who stored theirs and never touched them wouldn't want to race anyway because they don't want to break anything and not be NOS OEM.

RubberDucky

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Dave is serious. Dave is one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum on the V6 and its capabilities. What he's talking about has been done many times, take a gander at the V6 section and look at what they can do.

Street Lethal

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Agreed.

Street Lethal

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V6 vs LSX engine, LSX was unreliable...

SKELITOR117

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WOW.

Six_Shooter

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Looks like he just hazed the tires, or is there more background that isn't being posted?

Street Lethal

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Yeah they were hazed during that run, engine failure during the later rounds forced him out. Gotta give credit where credit is due though, there was a Corvette running an LSX w/twin turbo's during those runs that was flat out dominating, but then again that TTA went even faster in later events that were held. Very fast car...

kmcn47

i beat a 305 camaro a blue 84 z28, in my 2,8 firebird sure alot of it comes down to the driver in what i'll admit was an illegal race in an empty mall parking lot we guestimated about a 1/4 mile and it was close no doubt but both cars were auto i have no idea what his options were i know i had a better start and we both held the brake and gas to burn out before launching that was one of the most fun times i had in that car, there may be a video of it somewhere if said kids friend didn't delete it form his phone, i also beat a 96 mustang gt with the 5.0 in the same place, any car can beat another in theory, drivers determine just as much as hp/cube and displacement, then theres the driveline gotta get the power to the ground too

BlueZee28

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I had to check out this thread after seeing how many views it has recieved but now that I see theres no real racing and there is a bunch of childish name calling I think I wont be checking back on this one lol. If anyone is interested in actual racing I posted a youtube link in the thread right below this one of me beating an LS2 Camaro haha

zraffz

I don't recall getting specific with any sort of displacement but rather the amount of cylinders and the configuration of them.

If they have built a 7,000+ hp top fuel inline 4, I certainly can't find any information on it. Seems the most powerful inline 4 I can find information about is a 286 CI motor making 4,000 HP. This is also attained through more efficient turbochargers (which isn't allowed in the real top fuel class and would open up an entire new can of worms of the potential limits of the nitro meth V8).

At the time the inline 4 top fuel car was built, it was capable of 4,000 HP with a mix of nitrous oxide, twin turbos and a more advanced fuel system than that of the "current" V8s of it's time. The top fuel V8s were making roughly 6,000 HP (seems low for 2009?) with a blower that was robbing upwards of 1,000 HP. It's not an apples to apples comparison by any means.

project89

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back when that 4cyl car was built the v8 (nitro) cars were making around 5,000 hp
alky cars were making around 3000.

nhra also gave the green light to the 4cyl car to run but it never did as far as i know

and btw those blowers dont rob 1,000hp
i work on top fuel and blown alky engines and alot of the power numbers and specs u hear thrown around are not true

zraffz

Well true or not, it was all coming from the guy who built the nitro 4 banger. He made a few passes in it, believe I read high 5's but I could have been wrong.

Street Lethal

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It's really hard to say, as your right, it sometimes really is a drivers race. I haven't fiddled with an LG4 in a very long time, but I remember with those engines it was just a matter of running an L69 prom, advancing the timing, getting an open air element filter, then adjusting the secondaries. Those aren't really much mods but that would really wake up the LG4, big time, especially with a T5 transmission. I have never seen a 2.8 Firebird take on an LG4 bone stock and win. I mean maybe if the 2.8 was a stick and the 305 was an auto w/stock stall speed I can see it happening. Too many variables to consider...

kmcn47

fairly humid day yet dry pavement, about 730-8 o clock sun was still out but dying, for all i know he had a junkyard 350 that hadb;t been swapped to run right sounded really off not quite like mine does ,( a little raspy and yet still smooth) sounded like it was about to die honestly probably just been beat on as a motor, probably an open element air cleaner because everyone thinks thats somehow better then the dual snorkel, i dont, i know it was auto because it only had two pedals and was an auto shift plate i didn't look under the hood and i know my suspension had been seriously messed with at some point, bilstein struts, had formula sway bars, a wonderbar, a torque arm and the larger rims, not base v6 (sport coupe) ones firestone firehawk tires on the back and goodyear allegras on the front it sat alot lower then my camaro does, atleast for a firebird that usually appears higher because of the lack of gfx wanna see a pic? i swear on my namesake i didn't do a thing ot it except a mobil 1 10w30 and a mobil oil filter replaced the air filter with a fram one and cleaned and waxed the car religiously, it always looked amazing, tire shine, meguirs gold class, even getting underneath the car and using some wrags and wd-40 to clean the trans pan, oil pan and all the suspension parts, car was immaculate bo rust anywhere, its pretty **** now, should have never sold it to such an *** clown

midias

not really sure where you were going with this.

kmcn47

now had we gone to a track and gone through the staging lanes and lined up and raced he'd probably have beaten me but its hard to say

kmcn47

someone said no way a stock v6 car could beat a stock v8 car, well i did

355sleeper

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Ford stopped putting 5.0s in mustangs in 95...

kmcn47

so this guy was in idiot when i asked him what he had? i can buy that working at autozone and realizing 80 percent of the population have no ****ing clue what year their car even is is a real eye opener

zraffz

95... back again in 2011(?).

96+ was the junky 4.6.

kmcn47

coulda been what he meant, it sounded okay, like mustangs do, it just wasn't really fast

SKELITOR117

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2012. 2011 had the new body but the old engine.

355sleeper

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Very true, mustangs with magnaflow exhaust... sounds amazing

Savage388

I know a guy with an 02 gt. even the 4.6 sounds great with the magnaflow cat back.

two60two

Any v8 can sound amazing with the correct setup. Doesn't mean it's fast.

YouTube Taurus sho v8. I love mine to death but it isn't fast.

355sleeper

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I have yet to see another v8 sound anything close to how mustangs sound with magnaflow, I'm not sure what it is but they sound sweet

project89

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mustangs have always sounded good with an ex system on them
u can sort of hear this one in this video

this is fasteddi's v6 vs a 07 gt

grrr cant get the stupid embed to work spo heres the link

Savage388

Im pretty sure it boils down to the design of the sohc heads, theyre very different from traditional american motors.

stealthroc89

LMAO, funniest thing I've read in a while!

midias

The distance you need to move your finger to avoid sounding like an idiot.

Street Lethal

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There is/was a member on this website that went with a set of Doug's LTH, and a Bassani true dual exhaust system designed for the 4th gen F-Body. He had a muffler shop install the Bassani system on his GTA for him with the long tube headers, and it sounded really nice...

project89

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hey rob u still have that video clip of my car when we put the new turbo on it but we took the video of just the open headers???

Street Lethal

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Yeah, I think I still have that one, I have to look for it. I think that was the one where water was being pushed out of the turbo flange, and it turned out to just be condensation from sitting, right...?

Guest

This whole page has almost no relevance to the original topic. And I don't give two goddamned flying ****s what any of you say. NO stock thirdgen v6 will ever, under ANY circumstance beat a stock v8 thirdgen, so long as both are in comparable condition. The NUMBERS and the FACTS are not there. LIVE WITH IT.

two60two

You seem to be upset.

The first 2 pages derailed the original topic. The original topic was absurd to begin with
This thread serves as the worst of the worst knowledge on the entire forum. Its where the 15 year olds that think the Camaro is the fastest thing ever cut their teeth with knowledge.

This thread is not only entertainment, but necessary in the life of every thirdgen owner or aspiring owner.

SKELITOR117

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Exactly. You don't seriously think the mods allow this thread here because it appropriate? It's sort of a scape goat for the forum. This is where all the crap goes. I also see you are on probation jayhawk. Might consider being on your best behavior, or for you, better than best, if you don't want to see that status change to BANNED.

purtyfbird450r

Well im 20 years old and love my muscle cars im an american classic lover and always will if you can get a 4 cylinder to run 500horses then you can get an 8 to have twice as much maybe even more but really depending how you build it these indy cars for instence you try to put a 1100 horse power 8 cylinder challenger or vette against there 4 cylinder the indy is going to get then these ricers are going for power and handling when we just stomp it to the floor and slide around the corner and the bangers just stick you cant hate the japs for trying to go economical and save us money

Street Lethal

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Always remember though, it takes x amount of horsepower and x amount of weight to run a specific number, and it doesn't take much to get a four banger in single digits. Yes, you can make more with more engine to play with, but you don't need to. If dyno numbers are a persons' "thang" then that is one thing, but on the street it isn't feasible to exercise over 1000 horsepower unless you want to be on the inside looking out. We live in a country in which most states enforce a speed limit well under seventy miles per hour, not to mention a country subjected to ever rising gas prices. From a performance and economical perspective, building an engine with less cubic inch displacement makes perfect sense, whether 4-banger, inline six or V6, or small V8. Stroked small blocks with big cubic inch displacement, as well as big blocks obviously had their day in the sun, but they are no longer needed to accomplish the goal, and I'm not even going to get into turbo charging because that changes everything even more...

kmcn47

true being too light can be a problem too, and perhaps the replacement for displacement is something centrifugal

two60two

Turbocharging does change a lot. Engines work on 1 atmosphere of pressure - 14.7 psi. If you run another atmosphere of pressure in there then that engine is doing twice the work. I'm not saying it makes it twice the displacement, but if you want to blanket it like that go ahead. Boost changes efficiency greatly. Internal combustion engines are incredibly inefficient.

You can make the argument about adding boost to a v8, but it isn't just that simple. Power is efficiency and that's why headwork creates more power. Its a more efficient pump then.

No one has ever said more displacement can't make more power. More displacement will always have the potential for more power.

Potential.......

project89

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yeah thats the one

kmcn47

for hypothetical on paper drag racing yeah, in various real life scenarios there are to many variables to contend with to give a clear answer, performance between the two i feel is too close to give a positive yes or no to which will always win the answer can only be both or neither shcroedingers cat if you will?

project89

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i have personally seen a 3.1 camaro 5 speed camaro beat a 305 5 speed camaro. so dont say it cant be done.

the 2 motors are so close to engine power and the v6 car is about 300 pounds lighter it comes down to the driver

Guest

Probation is a joke. It's a pain in the *** cause I can't edit my posts. How long does it last? And if I get banned, why not make a new account?

99olo

What did you "do"?


Did you throw your weight around, and someone didn't like it?