87350IROC

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No we understand your point. An LT1 F-body is just as fast in a straight line, which is true, both ran about 14.0 in the quarter. And the LT1 was $20k instead of $60k. Isn't that why we all got into f-bodys? Affordable performance, nobody can deny that. My point of bringing up that video was to show the NSX is NOT the dog everyone thinks it is. It beats cars 4 times its price and double its horsepower around a real racetrack.

TACGNOL

So **** off the honda boyz by putting a LSX in a NSX!!

87350IROC

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I don't think anyone would argue with that.

toolegit86

I build and tune a ton of hondas and acuras, true anything is fast when enough money is thrown into it. but i had a crx drag car i built my self. with a 1.6 (d16z6) with h-beams vitara pistons (out of a suzuki vatara) blanced with some head work and 27+psi of boost thanks to my gt35r and i put anywhere from 450-490whp with no block guard. under 3k i tuned it my self now sure the car was fast but hondas tend to only be good off the line till about 120-140 after that the car is topping out. but the dohc motor can be power houses that live the high rpm. my gsr powered civic was a 12:1 na taking 10.5k all the time. turbo lag is nothing when a stock ecu can be tuned to do a two step luanch and dont worry with wheel spin do to high boost. they can also tune in boost buy gear with a good ecu set up

the nsx is a awsome car if you can get ur hands on one the v6 is a good power starter and there is not many cars out there that can out handle one on the track. and dont let the 3.0 fool they can produce a good amount of power with just bolt ons and a tune. another car out there that is pretty good are the type r's integras and civic type r's they are built high compression good cams and good trannys they pull very good and love the high rpms. the s2000 is a fun quick car and loves the 10k revs. i put a vortech on one and it was a fast car but there no fun when you cant take your buddys out for a ride.

the 2jzgte supra and skyline rb26dett cars are in a totally diffrent option. both cars can be made in to over 800whp easy and dont get me wrong both cars are gods in the import world!


now a little off subject. DSM's also known as the talons and eclipses these are cars that have the tq of a v8 and the awd of a evo i love the dsm's the first gens are built very strong and with just a little work can take a good amount of boost. i had one for a few years and it was actally running 675awhp on high boost when i drove it on the street about 400hp.
i was running low 10's

what happens when a awd dsm with a 6k luanch on half boost.





just keep this in mind " hondas are like condoms only girls want them.."

C-Titan

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I should drop an lsx in my s2k for ***** and giggles... Someone down for pickin up my headstone??

welchk85

The hondas them selves arent the problem, they can look really good and they can be really powerful cars but the main problem with "ricers" is there cocky attitude and the retarded wings on the back like there car is going to be go fast enough to justify the 3 foot tall 2 tier "racing" wing. and whats up with the MASSIVE rims? dont ppl know that those rims weigh a ton and are incredibley bad for the front and rear end?

ninetyone

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Nicely said Sethteef. I have never lost to a Honda either. LOL

87350IROC

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What do you run in the quarter?

I can remember many races between my dad and I. At the time his (now my) Acura CL Type S and my '87 350TPI were both stock and would run right next to eachother. If from a stop, I would get about a car length on him then we'd run up past 100mph right next to eachother with the Acura very slightly creeping away. From a 30mph roll the Acura would get me by about 1 car by 100mph. At the time the Acura ran 14.7's @ 97 while the IROC ran 14.6 @ 95. Lots of fun times in both cars. That's what its all about.

C-Titan

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I used to have an 03 3.2 CL-S, loved that car... Went nutz and put on Comptech everything; ice box, headers, exhaust, blower (9-12 psi), and of course a fancy smancy polished oil cap - haha... With the full set-up, the sound produced rivaled that of a super car... It was utterly amazing, smooth, and ungodly between the 5 to 8k range... Power was put to the ground with a "beefed" (but replaced 3 times) 5spd sequential, tein suspension, and a set OZ ultraleggera's wrapped in some PS2's... That thing was the most *** happy front wheel drive car i've ever driven... Torque steer?? You better f'in believe it, you could break your wrist if you wern't paying attention... Had it till about a year and a half ago, put it mostly back to stock and traded it in for the s2k - kinda regret it...



P.S.- Just wanna add, I hate seeing lil d-bags - say in like a 97 gulf - putting giant staggered wheels on their fwd cars... Ugg the stupidity...

fly89gta

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Nice edit.

Here's what you originally said

Really? Who said a Honda is a "hot rod"? Yes, most Hon-duh's are slow, most are owned by 18yr old goobers that thank a muffler and CAI suddenly turns their car into a 10 second monster....however there are a good number of fast Honda's in our area, you haven't run into any yet. You really need to get out more often.

It's posts like this that make people think all Fbody(or 3rdgen) owners are narrow-minded and clueless when it comes to cars outside of their little world.

tpivette89

I lost to a boosted civic in a street race from a stop to roughly the top of 3rd gear. I was driving my H/C 98' Z28 6speed that puts down 410rwhp.

yes, hondas can be fast... extremely fast. Even LSXs lose to them every once n awhile

ninetyone

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Ok, put a turbo on the trans am and see who wins.LOL. Trans am will literally ride a whellie down the highway just supercharged. Believe me. My brother's 91 formula with a supercharger used to beat Ninja bikes.

fly89gta

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Where do you come up with this crap? So you're saying on the highway it'll lift the wheels? Dude, STOP watching Fast and the Furious, seriously....

Being that I OWN a supercharged L98...yeah, you're full of ****.....

Carlos773

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Really? My leaf blowercharged camaro does it all the time. Maybe its just Camaros?

fly89gta

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Yes, we all know a Camaro is superior than a Trans Am.

ninetyone

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I am saying this , first off all you are not talking to some twenty-something year old kid. Ok, now on the highway in third gear, the car would lift the front wheels a few inches off of the ground. I was in the car personally and experienced this. The car was a 91 305, all stock internals with a paxton supercharger. It raced and beat many bullet type motorcycles including gsx r-750s' and Kawasaki ninjas and beat them not only in the quarter mile but OFF THE LINE all the way through the quarter. Also, fast and furious is responsible for making ricers think they have a race car. I would rather not watch that movie. Thank you

ninetyone

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Your car is probably not tuned correctly. Are you turning at least low 11"s?

BakerUSAF 86T/A

3 inch exhaust on a honda is massive. they aren't made for backpressure at all, it'll kill the performance which means this thing was deffinatly rebuilt from the ground up in some way. i live in a small city full of ricers with hondas and none can even touch the good 'ol chevy 350. But i do know a few that could keep up to a point, even tho i did smoke the **** out of a new Civic Si the other day, blew the doors off that guy and the embarrassed chick with him.
But, your typical street honda won't touch your v8 beauty as long as your car is well kept up with. but good story man i love showing up them honda boys!

87350IROC

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Oh yeah? That's neat, but my civic Type GTSRxi can pull the rear wheels at highway speed if I slam on the brakes real hard.

ninetyone

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Ok, what you probably came across here was a Honda with nitrous.LOL Yes, I would say most of the time if you do happen to come across a fast honda (meaning you didnt smoke him that bad). It probably has a plug and play nitrous kit. These guys are connecting them to a small hole that you drill in the famous Cold air intake.LOL. Then, they basically work off of the car's throttle position sensor. I have only seen maybe two turbo charged Honda's on the street. You will usually hear their purposely loud blow valve too. So, you probably came across one of the two if you didnt easily overtake him. A lot of these guys just don't understand displacement. Yes, bigger is generally gonna win!

fly89gta

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You are so ****ing full of **** I can smell here in PA.

Guess what man? I have a bigger motor AND a better supercharger and the car won't even pull the tires off the line...and you're claiming this 305 will lift the tires in 3rd gear on the highway

You're either high or completely clueless...or both.

But lets compare apples to apples. A buddy of mine has a 305 91 T/A. Bolt ons, stock internals, around 65K miles. He has a P1-SC and a 75-shot and it won't lift the tires on the highway yet somehow this phantom car you're talking about will? Right. Maybe God built it.

As far as beating GSXR's and Ninja's in the 1/4 So that T/A was a low 10 second car? Because that's what a gixxer 750 runs with a decent rider.

Stop lying, stop fabricating stories to make it sound like you have a clue. Your brothers Formy didn't pull the tires "a few inches" on the highway nor is it faster than gixxer's in the 1/4 miles....****, that car would even stand a chance against a 600.....

fly89gta

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Was this directed towards me? If so, no it's not an 11 second car, why would it be?

ninetyone

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Maybe your car wont. LOL. This car was a 1LE optioned Formula with a 305. The car had a parachute and a wheelie bar. You better get into tuning or raise your boost, cause these car's can beat just about any motorcycle out there. My car is a 91 350 tpi with a 700r4 like yours and i can just stomp the gas if i am cruising under 40 and the freaking tires break loose! yes, that is with the 273 gear too. So, you better do your research and retune your car. Hey i know i found a nice video for you to watch here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5KQq7uDJz4

fly89gta

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What relevance does that video have with this discussion? It's not even a thirdgen nor a Gen1 motor.

OK, so your brother's Formy with a stock 305 had a wheelie bar and a chute? Right. Do you believe the rubbish you spew?

As far as my car, yeah....my tune is just fine. It's a bone stock L98 with a procharger, what do YOU think it should run?(I can't wait for this answer with your infinite knowledge lol)

Wow you can break the tires loose, so can I....what's your point?

I'm still trying to figure out if you're just trolling or you're really that clueless....because if you think these cars can consistently beat most crotch rockets out there I have some prime beachfront property in AZ to sell you cheap. It takes a lot of work to beat most bikes. So let me ask you this since you brought it up...can you beat a gixxer 750 at the strip?

DrummerDad

And it gets locked in 3...2...1...

fly89gta

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Yeah, if this gets locked because of me I apologize, it just drives me crazy when people lie and talk out of their asses...

ninetyone

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I will say it again, the car had a wheelie bar and a parachute for the TRACK. How old are you? I am almost 40 and have been working on car's for years. If your car is stock , meaning internal are all stock. Then with a supercharger you should be adding about 125 to 150 hp to that car. If tuned properly , you should be able to run a low 11 ET. Without proper tune , you are going to be in the 12's. Now pay attention because you might learn something here. Ok, yes, a supercharger is ok but it is hard on your internals. These L98 cars like yours and mine are capable of over 400 hp with just heads and a STOCK slightly ported intake. YES , you heard that correctly. You dont want to add headers to these cars either. It is extremely important to keep a tpi car in its stock rpm range. If you understood fuel injection and tuning better , then you may be running faster.

fly89gta

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LMAO!!!!! My car should be a low 11 second car? Let's say the procharger adds 150 as you claim...that's 390 at the crank, which would equate to around 290-300 at the wheels(giving a rough estimate), so you're saying 290-300rwhp would get you into the low 11's? What the hell are you smoking? LS1 cars consistently put 300-315 to the wheels in stock form....show me a car making that power to the wheels even running high 11's....

You also don't want to add headers to our cars? Is that so.....damn, I didn't get that memo...what do headers have to do with the rpm range?

Also, a TPI motor isn't making 400hp with JUST heads....what about the cam?

Anyway, I'm done, feel free to respond and act like you know everything because you're 40yrs old(not sure what that has to do with anything).

ninetyone

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The car on the dyno put down 434 hp. Ran low 11 sec ET. Horsepower is not really what we are all after. We are looking for LOW END TORQUE. That is what the rpm range has do with it.LOL. NO you do not need a camshaft other than the stock cam. Trust me. Every available combination of go fast parts has been tried by David Steele ( C4 Corvette expert). Stock manifold and throttle body is also fine. The reason i mention age is because it is only the young guys like yourself that like to lie. Have a good night.

DrummerDad

Its all good. Im surprised this has stayed open this long.

All I will add is this. To ninetyone. It would be best if you just stopped digging. Im sure the car you are describing was fast. But its just a mathmatical impossibility for the car you described to be as fast as you say it was. That isnt to say we dont believe you. Its not possible on this planet.

This is the a huge forum. There are thousands of members. Some have run well into the single digits in these cars. These cars can be fast. But they arent able to bend space and time. And there is no way that car could lift the wheels, on street tires, on the interstate. And theres no way it could outrun even a slow 600. It takes alot more than a SC to outrun a modern bike.

86formula

Im not going to be as nice as Tony. You are an idiot. You know nothing about cars and people like you are the reason that every 16 year old with an Fbody thinks that he can beat anything on the road and also why young people start in the wrong direction when modding cars. you WILL NOT PULL THE WHEELs ON THE HIGH WAY without a few hundred lbs in the trunk. hell, that 305 wont pull the wheels of the line, with the biggest slick made, with the wheels glued to the ****ing pavement. Please do you the human race a favor and do not reproduce

ninetyone

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86formula

please tell me what he was running in the 1/4 to require said wheelie bar and parachute

86formula

well since you're going off of the ad... headers give like 30-40hp, CAI 15-20, throttle body 10-20, and lets not forget the ALL MIGHTY TORNADO!!!!! 20hp, or those ebay electric superchargers that give like 50hp. maybe the "chip" that can give me 100 more hp and 20 more miles per gallon.

then reality sets in and you realize that they say **** just to sell their products. you wont run those times without proper gearing, full bolt ons, and an aftermarket tq converter.

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the add says nothing about wheelies, does say "stock" tpi into the 12's, which is more like 12.99, not low 11's, probably tested on a 350 car anyway, not a 305.

besides, why bother with all this wrench turning, when you can just pop this chip in and make 500 horsepower and get 100mpg?
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ninetyone

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LOL, look kiddo, I have been working on car's as a hobby probably before you were born. I own a 350TPI personally, and I have never been beaten by any Honda, 350z etc. Now, what I know about these f-body car's is they do not like to be taken out of their rpm range. They live in the LOW END. They have big block low end torque. Also, you would be surprised what boost can do. I also owned a Nissan 300zx turbo, before there were adjustable boost controllers, etc. even available. Yes, any vehicle if set up properly can be fast with a turbocharger. I have rebuilt engines, and modified turbo systems. So that being said, I think I know a little about cars.LOL You are probably one of these kids on here that would go out and buy a mini ram or aftermarket high rpm intake manifold for your car without even thinking twice.

ninetyone

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Ever driven a supercharged f body with a 5 speed and a 373? oh and with a proper tune?

ninetyone

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Headers will make you LOSE YOUR LOW END TORQUE, silly

//<86TA>\\

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before or after the 5 speed craps parts all over the road?

91chevywt

So the best way to make power on these is to keep the stock cam and exhaust manifolds? I guess the rest of America has had it wrong all along. This guy is a true TPI guru he's 40 years old!! Damn high priced dynomometers don't prove anything.

TheWraith

the fact that you're admitting you're not a stupid teenager only makes this commentary that much more depressing. at least a dumb kid has an excuse.

this is total fiction, and you're a textbook example of why people have absolutely no respect for thirdgens.

the engine combination you're claiming would do all these things would barely keep pace with a bone stock LS1, and would be in the low to mid 300 horsepower range.

I had a 350tpi with a paxton in my iroc previously and it was at best a high 12 second car, but certainly not on anything less than drag radials.

86formula

If you're that old please tell me that you dont have children and havent already further corrupted the gene pool. i dont care what you own, what you have owned, what you think is fast. the cars power band is determined by the heads and cam. If you're correct then Tony shepard must be wrong in running a single plane and spinning above 7k to run low 9s. he should probably shift a lot lower so he can dip into the 8s... Yes anything can be fast with a turbo if you want to run dip stick blowing boost, if you dont want to you need to change the heads and cam. You're trying to talk about a properly set up vehicle and you're the one saying that you dont need to change the cam? and you're right, im one of those stupid kids with a high RPM intake on my camaro... come race me with your stock TPI intake and stock exhaust manifolds. i have a CBR 1000rr that you can race too since you beat bikes all the time

91chevywt

Thought this was relevant

ninetyone

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The intake and cam determine the usable rpm range. Try changing your runners to bigger ones and see what happens to your low end (usable torque). Or try adding headers to your car and see where your low end torque goes.LOL The secret to making and Fbody fast is KEEPING LOW END TORQUE.

ninetyone

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Yes, most people are wrong when it comes to tpi cars. The first thing they buy is headers. You will run faster with stock manifolds and an aftermarket catback. Also, gears for a tpi car you want to keep in the 273-323 range really. Otherwise you will be out of the powerband. My brother tried the 373 , yes in a supercharged vehicle , but the car was much faster with the stock 342 gear ratio.

86formula

let me get this straight, adding long tubes.... will make you slower... is this what you are trying to say? i want a yes or no answer

ninetyone

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YES
actually longtubes will make you run slower than shorty headers,dude

91chevywt

Just because it has TPI it isn't any different than any other car. The only reason it makes decent low end torque is because THATS ALL ITS GOOD FOR. A TPI setup doesn't make it different than any other 350. The only reason it seems to make good low end torque is because it makes no top end power. Nobody seeks out TPI exhaust manifolds or camshafts for builds. That's stuff that gets thrown in the trash. You make it seem like a TPI car makes diesel torque when it is nowhere close. Third gen f-bodys aren't magic torque making machines.

ninetyone

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Going the vortec route in these cars is good too. Unfortunately you will need the 400 dollar scoggin dickey tpi intake base. Vortec heads can be found for about 200 bucks used. With this combo, yes you may want to change your cam to take advantage of the vortec heads and intake. What i was saying is there is a certain combination of parts that a true c4 corvette guru has tried and gotten excellent results. This combo consisted only of rpm heads that coincided with the tpi's factory usable powerband and a slightly ported STOCK intake and STOCK runner length to MAINTAIN that STOCK BIG BLOCK LOW END TORQUE! No headers, Throttle body, camshaft needed. 400 + ft lbs of torque and over 400 hp. I can post the article if you like

FORMULA355TPI

Sorry guys, I am with ninetyone.. I have the car to proove it..
This is my 88 IROC with the original 5.7 tpi block and just a little bit of nitrous..
http://jsspeedandcustom.com/gallery/...?g2_itemId=497
It is totally fast, I beat Vespas all the time..
I dont have wheelie bars or a chute though so his friends car must be tuned better than mine..