nice iroc dude

 

I have a BONE STOCK L98, bone stock as in the valve covers nor the intake has ever been taken off. Why would I be mad your brothers phantom car was faster? Hell my buddy's procharged 305 walks circles around my car because he a ton more done. It is what it is. I'm not the one making bold claims nor acting like my car is the ****....it's quite the opposite, I downplay my car all the time.

What bothers me is that you're a clueless idiot and keeps making up stuff as you go along. So can you please explain to me why an 11 second car has a chute and wheelie bar? That right there proves you're a liar. Not to mention 24# injectors on 10#'s of boost running deep 11's? For someone that supposedly know so much about these cars that's a pretty dangerous game being played with those small injectors.

Then again what do I know? I just live with my mom and haven't gotten laid in years(is that REALLY the best you can do with the insults? I mean REALLY?)

 

guys i figured it out! he had 2 superchargers on the car at once, thats why its soo freaking fast.

and those larger 1le brakes from the 1le performance package sure make the car faster, and those 1le heads, i mean damn they are sweet, maybe even had 1le seatbelts

come on, this tool bag cant even get his story straight

 

fly89, you dont more than a 24lb inj for ten lbs of boost,you can raise boost while lowering timing while using a boost prop. fuel pres. regulator. a cheap secret to getting more boost is also using windshield washer fluid aka methanol, and spraying it into the intake track. the car i am speaking about ran a low 11 sec on the track using slicks,and believe it or not did have wheelie bar and parachute.

 

LOL! A Paxton, a Vortech, and 1LE seatbelts! That's what makes it fast! I didn't even notice that before. Good job on pointing that out.

 

By the way, I live in Delaware too. Sussex County, a few miles from Milton, DE. By any chance could you guys give me a ride in this stock internal 10 second car that has two superchargers, and will pull wheelies in third gear, at 55 MPH?

 

So now it has meth injection too?

You're still missing the point, 24#'s are still playing a dangerous game regardless of all the fancy add-ons you want to use.

The mere fact that an 11 second car has a chute and bar on it proves we're dealing with dumb and dumber here.....did you guys get laughed at when you ran?

 

Bravo, bravo....nice catch.

 

fly 89 read that again,and yes i talked to him last night and it was vortec not a paxton, sorry. read that ad on your supercharger,you should be running 11s too if you set yours up properly,even though your car is heavy.This is a procharger ad. ATI ProCharger 90-91 TPI L98 Corvette Supercharger - HO w/ P600B


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car ran an 11.90 first run due to traction issues,bad traction.lol second run yeilded an 11.42

 

What the F are you smoking? First off the ad you're using as ammo CLEARLY states 12 second ET's. Second off, that is for a Corvette. Third off I base my opinions and statements on REAL WORLD experience....not what some company says.

I guess you think a throttle body spacer really gives you 20hp too right? The Tornado gives you 10mpg as well....

Idiot...

 

So he suddenly gain a half of a second? Interesting....

Good thing he had the wheelie bar....

 

ProCharger technology delivers 10-second ET's with the least amount of engine modifications -

 

when you raise boost more timing needs to be taken out or more fuel delivered,the only way to change these things is to reprogram your prom. yes raising boost a cuople of lbs will add a lot more hp and torque. usually about 10 hp/lb. i have never used methanol but have heard good things

 

is your ***** really that small? fly89?

 

Ninetyone, how come you will not answer me?

I said: By the way, I live in Delaware too. Sussex County, a few miles from Milton, DE. By any chance could you guys give me a ride in this stock internal 10 second car that has two superchargers, and will pull wheelies in third gear, at 55 MPH?

You say it ran 11's, so why am I saying 10 second car? Simple. A GSXR 750 is a 10 second bike.

 

So then why bring it up in this discussion when I made a comment that 24#'s were to small for a boosted, 11 second motor?

BTW, what were his trap speeds on these supposed 11 second wheel pulling runs?

The fact that you just asked me that is disturbing.

 

the car was sold dude

 

Running alky injection (methanol), when it sprays, forces one to decrease fuel pressure, but the byproduct is a much cooler intake charge of course. It allows you to run more boost because it reduces the chance of detonation, yes, but your limiting yourself w/only 24-lb injectors to think your going to see low elevens with a supercharger @ 10-psi. You will see those numbers on a 350 with a turbo because the RPM curve is entirely different. As far as the parachute and wheelie bar, unless it was an eight second car that let off way before the 1/8th mile, there is no reason why an eleven second car would employ those two things....

 

ford 24 lb inj are equal to more when used in a gm. you could run 19 lb mustang inj in your tpi 350 u know

 

Ahh...

I used to have a 1970 Ford Camaro with a Hemi, it ran 3's on pump gas, with 1LE seatbelts, iced tea injection, 27 pound donut cream injectors, and oversized hot air balloon parachutes to slow me down from 400 MPH.

I sold it last week though.

 

i run 24 lb in my 91 350 ,but i cant really make use of my afpr at this time with the mods i do have. it runs like a 350 using 50 psi fuel press already. 24 lb are enough for 10 lbs boost trust me.

 

i know you can make a 10 second car with a procharger, but the point is, that car is not a stock internal 305 tpi with 10psi of boost.

and it says right in the freaking add 12 seconds for a tpi motor, and you know damn well thats in a vette, and its a high 12 not a low or even close to an 11. Not nearly the power needed to pull the wheels on the highway in 3rd in a 3rd gen.

the car was sold how convenient. How 'bout some pics? im sure somebody has pics of this rocket ship.

give it a rest dude

 

No **** Captain Obvious.


Yes, definitely trust someone who has changed stories a few times and uses manufacturer ads to back up his ridiculous claims....(not to mention posted the wrong info to back up said claims).

 

.... and? I can run any injector that I want to simply by adjusting pulse width in the prom. What we're talking about here is the amount of injector needed to support a low eleven second ET. Its not going to happen with a supercharged 350-TPI @ 10-psi, with a turbo yes, but not a supercharger, and there is a reason for it. I ran 28-pound Grand National injectors but then switched to 36-pounders because their duty cycle was maxing out (on a 305), and I couldn't break into the elevens. Now, my 305 came with 3% less fueling than that of the 350 from the factory (19-lbs vs 22-lbs), and even by upping the injectors by 9% didn't quite get me into the elevens, and I'm running a T-76 turbo w/alky. How is it that a supercharged L98 w/10-psi pulley w/24-lb injectors (remember, no boost controller) will run low elevens?

 

because there are 2 supercharges silly

 

This thread is getting worse than "LIL BASTARD"s reply to me, telling me that I need to research "chassis's".

I hope he learns that roll cages are for safety. Is there some kind of secret chassis mod that will give me power? Can someone elaborate on this for me?

 

Yes, use carbon fiber for the cage....anything with carbon fiber goes faster right?

 

Thanks for the tip! A carbon fiber cage will surely cut a second off of my times! I wanted to use chromoly though.. It sounds like fancy stuff.

That's kind of funny, since I actually want a carbon fiber driveshaft. Carbon fiber really is a great material, but it's been ruined for most people by the ricers who insist on buying carbon fiber dress up kits for their interior.

 

For some reason I think ninetyone was reading that Preston Smith article entitled "Kinetic Engineering", where Preston ran high ten seconds w/his Vortech supercharger, running a 305 w/30-lb injectors, then I guess ninetyone just assumed that a 350 would need about 5% less in fuel to run similar numbers. I would be the first to applaud anyone to achieve that w/what ninetyone is implying, but I just don't see it happening....

 

i am new here but this thread is kind of interesting. i own a90' iroc boosted. i have run 11.60 on slicks. so maybe it is possible to run a little quicker like 91 said.

 

i am now wondering if i go up to a bigger inj ,say a 30 lb if i can do away with my 24lb-ers.they are out of a vette. yes i have gotten my front wheels off the ground too, but only once and it was when my supercharger was new.

 

But that isn't enough information though. What was your trap speed? What was your sixty foot? How much boost? Do you have a cam? Head work? There are ways to determine who is talking nonsense with that information (not you, just in general), so more information is needed....

 

Nice new account, ninetyone.

Oh, by the way, at least change your idiot-like style of typing before you pretend to be someone else, who JUST joined today.

"Car: 91' Firebird"

"i own a90' iroc boosted"

You own a 91 foot Firebird, and Craz350 owns a 90 foot Iroc! I hope you realize when you're talking about the year of a vehicle or what not, the apostrophe goes BEHIND the last two digits of the year. Example.. I own a 1986 IROC! I own an '86 IROC! There you go.. Now stop playing around with fake accounts, and wasting people's time.

 

yes i have beaten a few bikes too,but that stuff all depends on circumstances, conditions,and driver at that particular time. oh and if the car hooks up properly too.lol
i use a brake switch.

 

I actually took you seriously. Where are the freaking moderators....?

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And how high can it lift the front tires on the highway, at 55?

I dont think anyone is arguing over a fast boosted 350 that could run 11s. Its all the other BS being spewed. Lifting the wheels at 55 mph? Longtubes make the car slower? There is so much fail in the posts from this guy its pathetic.

Its people like this guy, ninteyone, that give the American car guys a bad name. Even in the face of a few dozen guys who have some seriously modded cars, he sticks to his fabricated story, with no proof.

For the record, I can only see two ways for this phantom car to have lifted the front wheels at 55 mph.
1) He had hydraulics, and was ridin' dirty....

2) He blew it up, and the wrecker lifted the tires for him, at 55mph.

 

Wow this has gone full retard... I had no idea that TPI cars took almost nothing to run 10's

Thats it, I'm pulling out the LS1 and replacing it with a stock TPI. I'm thinking it will help me drop at least 3 seconds off my ET. I wanna do wheelies at 55mph!

That being said, a 'bar and chute on a slow car??? Thats so damn gay, its like 4 guys doing 2 guys. A wheelie at 55? umm no, its called "slight weight transfer rearward" on a weak sauce out of breath TPI when it finally groans out the shift to 3rd...

 

See this is why I usually stay out of threads on this board. I was not talking about roll cages or anything near to a roll cage. You really do need to do more research.

I want you to go test your weight mods. Go mark out a known distance, say from this pole to that pole, and time it. Then go home and put the weight back into your car and run the same course. Tell me what the difference is. You may be actually slower w/out the weight.

And why is this, because your 100,000 mile sagging springs were helping you get off the line. W/out that weight, you just added stiffness back to them. And if you to dumb to understand why that is bad then quit right now.

And don't personally attack me again please. I don't even own a 3rd gen at this moment, actually plan on buying another one soon though. Just learn to properly set up a car before you do stupid things again.

 

Excuse me, you mean my 99,346.2 mile sagging springs..

I need to do research? Please.. You think you're talking about the chassis of a car, when you're talking about the suspension. On a unibody car, the unibody IS the chassis.

We have no actual "FRAME". We have what are called subframes, such as nearly every mid size, or compact car made today. Why do you think there are things known as subframe connectors? They help the body of the car to not twist, as if it did have a whole frame.

Excuse the fact that I do not have drag shocks at the moment. The stiffness of my launches is far outweighed by the light overall weight. In a drag race, your launch is nearly everything, but, what if you have a 5,000 pound truck that can perform perfect launches, but just cannot overcome the immense weight of the typical truck? That means low E/T's and low MPH's. Weight is very, very important, but so is the suspension, as you mentioned.

Chassis though, you mentioned chassis. The unibody is the chassis on Third Gens. The chassis practically holds the car together, it is what the subframes connect to, and what the engine is mounted on.

I see why you don't like to get involved with threads. You're a noob that talks monkey smack on subjects which they do not understand. What will you complain about if I replace my Goodyears with M/T radials and my stock shocks with Koni's? You'll most likely say that I don't have enough weight on the rear, and I could gain a bit more traction with that stock interior! Oh man, hold on though, I'll be relocating my battery to the rear, and when the time comes, mounting a fuel cell as far back as I can.

What you need to do is go research cars in general. You just do not understand. You start BS about a chassis, then change it over to a suspension debate.

Yeah, taking weight off of a car makes it slow everyone! Did you hear that? The expert has spoken! Everyone on this board that drag races, go put a dozen standard olympic 45 LB. plates in your car! You'll cut half a second off of your E.T.'s and have improved 60's! Do it! LOL. Noob.

 

Oh, I forgot to comment on this part. LMAO. Personally attack you? You personally attacked yourself by showing everyone how dim-witted you are.

A chassis is the suspension? Stock springs are stiff? Taking weight off of my Camaro will make it slower? Adding weight to it will give me better launches?

LOL @ all of that monkey smack BS.

Do you know what makes a good launch? WEIGHT TRANSFER. Not ADDING WEIGHT onto the suspension. In drag racing, you want all of your weight to transfer to the rear, without lifting the front wheels. This puts a huge amount of weight on the rear during acceleration, and hardly allows the tires to spin.

You got into suspension after mentioning the chassis. That's the most hilarious thing ever. If the chassis is my suspension, how come there are not about 200 springs all over the body of my IROC?

Just to comment on this again, to show you that you are absolutely clueless. Just do a small Google search! Just search for "chassis". You weren't talking about anything even close to a roll cage? Look at this custom built chassis, which is for a stock car.. This was the second result for "chassis", the first was the stock frame to either an older car or truck.



That doesn't resemble a roll cage at all, does it?! I wonder why?! A roll cage is essentially a built in chassis, used for frame stiffening on mainly unibody vehicles.. Even trucks too. They promote safety, and cut down on body twist.

Please, just read up on these things. It's elementary crap.

 

I was driving home from watching the Flyers game and got into a race with an old lady on her Jazzy-Chair. It's a DAMN good thing I swapped my headers for the stock manifolds before I left my buddy's house or else the bitch would have had me....

 

I am done w/ this. You believe that weight is the answer, that is fine. I'll go build my car the right way and when my full interior car w/ a/c posts better times than your clapped up, uber light weight car, I wonder what the excuss will be??

But don't worry, you have inspired me. I'll be on the look out for you to post times, and don't forget to get the video, because I will have the video clearly showing the times. So keep talking you little racer wannabe.

 

LOL, it looks like your just embarrassing yourself... you should listen to Shadow

 

This is a message to fly guy yo 89. Headers in general will make you lose your low end torque. Especially longtube headers. What happens is this. Say you make 320 ft lbs @ 3200 rpm. Ok that is stock 350 tpi spec. Now, install some shorty headers and what happens is you will need to install an afpr and set it to aprx. 50 psi and then you will end up making 350 ft lbs of torque but at around 3800 rpm. Get it? Install an aftermarket intake and it will be even worse. You will need a set of heads first. No if ands or buts about it. Sure an intake will make 60 more hp, but maybe at 5500 rpm or later.LOL

 

Weight IS the answer. Do you think the world's fastest production car, the SSC Ultimate Aero, weighs 2,750 pounds, and goes 257 MPH for no reason at all? No! It goes 257 MPH because it weighs less than a Honda Civic, and has nearly 1,300 Horsepower produced by a 7.0 twin turbo V8.

My IROC has been sitting in the garage with bent rods for weeks now, but when I have it rebuilt within the next year, you can count on some times. I'm a normal person and all, and need to put out the cash for a new daily driver, so it'll be quite a wait. Worth it, though. I'm building my car the right way too, that's why it'll take so long. I've got my eye on Dart Pro 1 230's and an Eagle stroker kit. 10.52:1 with a 64cc head, forged H beams, forged crank rated to 1,500 HP.. Pricey stuff, but I want it.

You're done "w/ this" because you made yourself seem like a fool.. A good suspension setup is one that properly transfers a great deal of the vehicle's weight to the rear. Not a suspension that is just "soft" with pounds upon pounds of dead weight sitting on it. That is definitely not how it works.

If you don't want to take my word for it, take Ford Muscle's word for it. I'm sure that GMHTP, Camaro Performers, or any Mopar magazine would have the same write up. Simply because it is correct information, and it is really what drag racing is about. Weight transfer.

"However with our new goal of breaking into the 11's, we've come to the realization that we may have considerable gains hiding out in our suspension. By optimizing the weight transfer of the '67, we should be able to get the sixty-foot times in the mid to low 1.6's, and shave anywhere from a half to a full tenth off the ET."

Now how retarded does that seem, to want to just put dead weight over top of a stock suspension, or "chassis" as you call it, and think you're going to dominate on the drag strip? Very.

 

So, with that being said. A tpi car like I said before, is still much faster by changing heads and not moving the powerband any. That is acheived by just PORTING the stock intake. Any other mod will shift the powerband. Get it??

 

Some people are too stubborn to admit that they're wrong. I've had incorrect information on here before, but it all worked out great, because in the end, I learned something I didn't know.

That was good advice for him though.

 

Oh my goodness.. More non sense.

What do you not understand? To make more peak power, and to be dominate in nearly any type of racing, you're going to want a decent amount of Torque that you are able to carry high into the RPM range.

Horsepower = Torque X Engine RPM / 5,252.

A 1992 Z28 with the L98 TPI makes 345 FT.-LBS. of Torque at 3,200 RPM.

345 FT.-LBS X 3,200 RPM = 210 Horsepower at 3,200 RPM.

The Horsepower continues to climb until 4,400 RPM, at 245 HP, which is just above where the Torque curve dips off.

Now, instead of 3,200 RPM, let's say that this particular L98 TPI engine has ported heads, a larger throttle body, and a pretty radical cam which was designed for peak power, not for towing or mid range power. Pretty typical for drag racing standards.

Anyhow, with these run of the mill mods, let's pretend that this L98 gets a 50 FT.-LB. jump in Torque from ported heads, a larger throttle body, and a bigger cam. Those gains are very achievable depending on the specs of the particular parts.. But! Instead of 395 FT.-LBS. of Torque at that same 3,200 RPM, let's pretend that this particular cam has the L98 producing peak Torque at 4,100 RPM, which could also be achievable, and happens all the time.

395 FT.-LBS. of Torque X 4,100 RPM = 308 Horsepower.

Look at that result.. This L98 with run of the mill mods would be producing 63 MORE Horsepower, just at it's peak TORQUE range in the powerband..

Alright, so.. We've established that with run of the mill mods, this imaginary L98 is producing a bunch of Torque, slightly higher up in the power band. The stock L98 produces peak Torque at 3,200, and peak power at 4,400, that is a 1,200 RPM gap between the points of peak Torque, and peak HP. So let's factor this into the imaginary mildly modified L98. Alright, 4,100 + 1,200 = Peak HP at 5,300 RPM. That is a very common peak HP number for modified L98's, or nearly any SBC 350. How do we guess what the Torque should be, though?

Reverse formulas!

We've established that the stock L98 makes 245 HP @ 4,400, and 345 FT.-LBS. of Torque at 4,400 RPM. How do we get the Torque figures from the peak HP number though? Simple!

Torque = Horsepower X 5,252 / RPM.

245 HP X 5,252 / 4,400 RPM = 292.4 FT.-LBS. of Torque.

So, between 3,200 RPM where peak Torque is at 345 FT.-LBS. it starts to dip off until peak HP at 292.4 FT.-LBS. Between that, there is a 1,200 RPM gain, and a 52.6 FT.-LB. drop in Torque. We can safely guess that it lost 0.04383 FT.-LBS. of Torque per 1 increase in RPM.

Let's figure this out already. 395 FT.-LBS. of Torque with a drop of .04383 per RPM, for the next 1,200 RPM until we end up at 5,300 RPM. What do you know, it's the same 52.6 FT.-LBS. figure we had earlier. I just went through that for it to make sense to everyone.

395 - 52.6 = 342.4 FT.-LBS. of Torque at 5,300 RPM, which is where our peak HP number will be. Now, let's just crunch the numbers to figure out what an increased amount of Torque, and a powerband that's higher in the RPM range will do..

342.4 FT.-LBS. of Torque X 5,300 RPM = 345.53 peak Horsepower!

A powerband that is higher in the RPM range, and a small bump in Torque gave us a 100 HP jump at peak power! Isn't that insane?! Yeah! That's how it all works out! You just need to have the supporting mods to make that increased powerband efficient.

Higher rear gears for an auto or manual, and a higher stall converter for an automatic, so that you don't have the issues with stalling at stop lights, due to a radical cam.

Can we please all just shut up about this now? Torque and a higher powerband win, period. It works that way with any reciprocating piston engine. Whether it be Diesel, gasoline, alcohol, anything whatsoever. Everything from 190 Horsepower Civics, to 8,000 Horsepower top fuel dragsters.

 

.....what the hell are you talking about? Why would you need to install an AFPR and set it to 50# due to installing shorty headers. What's next? The need to install 42# injectors due to a cat-back install? Wait, that's not needed because this supposed 1LE Formy runs deep 11's on 10#'s of boost on 24#'ers(which is damn near impossible BTW)

Now you're rambling about aftermarket intakes and blah blah blah. Not ONCE did I mention anything about some aftermarket intake....are you demented or seriously that retarded?

Have fun with your slow POS Trans Am, go jerk off to your brothers non-existent 1LE Formy(and if I did exist I feel bad for him being such a retard to have a chute and bar on an 11 second car )

Did you eat paint chips as a kid or something? Holy ****....

I told myself I wasn't going to post any more but you just keep looking more and more silly with each post. There's been, what...10 people in this thread laughing at you....that should tell you something...