Hi my name is ninetyone and I got fisteen super duper chargers on my fly azz 83 reliant k made out of dale earnhardt memorabilia and busch cans

 

i see that you live in Delaware. well, so do I

since you claim you have never been beaten by a Honda... and never will... in theory, you should be able to take down my 410rwhp Z28 since i was, in fact, beaten by a Honda

so this is an official callout. Your stock cammed, stock exhaust manifold, low end TPI vs my heads and cam, lost to a slow *** Honda, high end powerband LS1. hell, we can even do this at the dragstrip if you want

 

My 400 rwhp through a auto, in a heavy *** vert is slow then. Thanks man... lol

 

Dude, I mentioned on the last page that I also live in Delaware, down in Sussex County. Soon as that was brought up, oh, the CAR WAS SOLD!

I really wanted for them to come to my house in this stock internal 305 with two superchargers, and do wheelies on the highway at 55 MPH in third gear. Then they'd have to deply the chutes on that 11 second car to slow that bad boy down.

LOL! This has to be the funniest post on this thread, except for 86TA noticing that ninetyone said that this phantom car had a Vortech at first, then a Paxton.

 

i am 45, been around the block more than once. you are either an idiot or a compulsive liar. you know very little about what it takes to make real power - as in, power off the line and enough to cross the finish line in the quarter around 10 seconds. the power of a big block should never, ever, be compared to a small block unless you are maxing out the small block's displacement to 427 or 454. you are a troll.

stop lying because it's lies like this that create the myths that the younger members will believe, and then wonder why their car isn't in the 10s.

edit: sorry, had to add this:
11.

 

3 questions..

1. Why is making hp at a higher RPM bad? Isnt that why the LS1 is faster in general then the LT1 or L98?

2. How does a car that makes 235hp stock and runs a mid to low 14 stock run a low 11 with just bolt ons ,10 lbs of boost and weighs 3200lbs without driver?

3. If the car can blow the tires loose at 55mph then how the hell does it get traction off the line?

 

You are an idiot! This is 2010. 25 years since the TPI has come out. If it is as easy as you are saying to run 11's then why did GM not stay with the TPI motors?

 

You don't even need to mention that he's an idiot. The fastest cars out there, top fuelers, make 8,000 Horsepower, and rev to 8,500 RPM. So if low end Torque and performing like a big block is important, why are the big blocks revving sky high?

Simple..

Horsepower = Torque X Engine RPM / 5,252.

Maybe he'll comprehend that one day. Or, maybe his shitty TPI that runs out of breath at 4,400 will continuously lose. Wait, no, he doesn't even own a Third Gen, "at the moment"!

Lol @ don't change the factory powerband. I'd HATE for him to build an engine for me.

 

In a way he has a point, if you're going to keep the TPI you won't want a huge cam with a high powerband or 4.10 gears, it's a completely mismatched system.

In that regards he's absolutely right...everything else....well....yeah....the council has already spoken on that.

 

hey ninetyone, here is a fuel injector calculator link. use it and show me how your 24lb injectors could possible have u run 11's or in anyway support the HP u claim. This calculator is for HP at the crank so u'd need even larger injectors for RWHP
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/InjectorSizeCalc.html

 

Looks to me AT MINIMUM and BARE MINIMUM would be 36#'s....

Interesting.....

 

that's an awesome link. thanks for posting it up.

i think 91 is done. he's been shown to be lying, exaggerating and i think he's had enough. with this thread, anyway. got to keep an eye out for his posts to see what other stories he'll be telling...

 

Well i think ninetyone a pretty cool guy. He blow wheelies at at least 100 mph, and doesnt afraid of anybody.

 

I said, I have never been beaten by a honda.LOL. Hey, some of them may very well be fast out there, prob turbo charged though. I know that the motor in my car helped the 1990 iroc camaro reach 0-60 in 5.8 sec though, and I will say that most of the honda's that we thirdgen owners come up against are just loud and probably just have fart pipe's and cold air intakes on them.

 

I came up to a guy the other night at a traffic light, a blue honda prelude with all the racing stickers, lowered, 3 inch fart pipe and nascar wing, and yes, pisses all of us thirdgen guys off is the attitude some of these drivers seem to carry. Like looking over at your car like , ha,what is that? So, basically I just stomp it or even sometimes let my car shift into second and then stomp it.LOL Immediately take a look into my rearview and see a little dot. Sure, you can come across a turbo charged honda, but that usually still wont beat a stock LS1.

 

so....If you change the intake, you should still try to stay with a low RPM set up? I'm confused... If you put a Holley Stealth Ram intake on a TPI engine, doesn't that make it a Stealth Ram engine? Cause your effectively removing the TPI. So with a cam, and heads to match is it not just a fuel injected gen1 SBC? Your an asshat go drive your superduper camaro into a wall. its so fast you should be able to warp space and time and pass right through it.

 

wowo ninetyone trolled the **** out this thread

 

Bubba428, if you do all of that stuff to your engine that you mention , then a new gear ratio will be needed. Probably something like a 373 or better. So,you can get your car into it's new (higher)powerband.

 

4:10 is whats planed for it, and that's not my set up. just an example. I'm running a set of 305HO heads with 2.02/1.60 valves springs good for .600 lift ported, holley single plane intake, holley 750dp, 11:1 CR keith black pistons .040 bore, steel crank and forged rods. getting a howard cams .545 lift cam, 1.5 roller rockers, and a roller timing set. some time in the next month changing out that wuss T-5 for a T-56 and getting a 4:10 geared strage S90 in due time. wanna race?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB7KkaR03I

i have even worse problem yuppies who drive Priuses with the billboard of obama stickers.

 

You too? Damn yuppies. Never understood why people put controversial **** like that on their car. Makes them more or less a target for road rage.
Also gotta love the people who put every opinion they can think of on their vehicle. Lol

 

when you work on the border of the republic of Cambridge MA you somewhat get used to it and laugh. road rage lol i live in boston i think we just beat new york in road rage

where do you live, that the prius invasion occurs?

 

Fox Lake, IL, basically a bit north west of chicago. Now I moved to Oak Lawn, just a little west of Chicago, there is more of it here. Except now I see big orange Cadillacs with 32" rims.

 

Ditto what Danziger said. Any car can be fast with enough power. Power=money. But why would anyone want to drive 400hp in a little front wheel drive economy car body? And how is this thread related to 3rd gens?

 

imo hondas are great cars for lets go to work or lets take the honda because its better on gas. but for racing leave the groccery getter at home. for one there butt ugly for two they sound like a pissed off lawn mower three fwd blows 4 there too common and lasty your gonna get laughed at on the track or road. if your gonna go import get a decent one like a supra or 350z. and remember there is no replacement for displacement.

 

lmao "where the **** is my nossss?!?!?!" its pretty easy to make a honda fast actualy... most guys who have money into it swap motors (so iv heard not into em) one of these motors is a h22 or some **** like i said idk but i was curious so i looked up the weight of it 475lbs....iirc ls1 weighs what 400ish? ls1 into striped down civic or something ftw my buddy has a honda civic.. and a 99 or 2000 bird ls1 he is going lsx soon...hmmmm im goin to talk him into it first honda to pull a wheely could pull up and say its n/a stock motor swap lol oh he put a bunch of money into cai header full exhaust lol still smoked him daily with my 305 less hp than stock

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFbCBX8wQU this is what their like where im at no lie

 

I wouldn't mind a Import... to do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dimr...eature=related

 

4 bangers can be quite surprising. Due to the fact that my third gen gets terrible gas mileage, and is totally stripped I drive a 91 talon as my DD and with a little work to a 4 banger they can really scoot. That thing probably does 13 ( we dont have a 1/4 near me ) so most of the other third gens around here eat my dust in that thing.

My Camaro, on the other hand, would destroy my DSM, but I'm sure theres a rice burner out there fast than me. Heck, I know theres one slower than my old 93 tbi truck, so they're just all over the map...


and for the record, I drive no imports, talons are made in Normal, IL

 

come on, we both know your car has a complete Mitsubishi drivetrain, suspention, etc underneath the "eagle" emblem. your car is just a rebadged Eclipse... and thus an import

if we judged cars on where theyre built, well, then the fbodies would be "imports" (built in canada) and cars like the camry would be domestic. thats just too confusing

my thing is "where did the idea originate" or "follow the money trail". a camry was created in japan by the japanese and the profits from those cars, built on our shores or not, also go to japan. thus its an import

with the camaro, it was created and designed by americans and its profits go to americans. thus, a domestic vehicle

 

Really? What about the thousands of employees that work for Honda/Toyota/BMW/ect that work in the US. Don't tell me the US doesn't benefit from cars being made here. In fact you are correct, the Camaro is more import than an Accord.

In fact you will find that over 80% of all US market Hondas are built in the US. That MIGHT be better than GM. I'll check.

 

for the record, i never said the camaro was more of an import than the accord

also, i never said the US didnt benefit from imports being made here. i said, to determine import or domestic, follow the money trail. as in, who collects the profits... the reason that any car company is in business in the first place. after the assembly line worker, the car salesman, ect gets paid to create the vehicle and after it sells... the $$ left over, the profit, goes to whom? do you think its an american who gets that benefit?

while the US does benefit somewhat from imports being made here, im sure Japan (toyota/honda/etc) benefits much more from that fact. otherwise, they certainly wouldnt have built their factories here if it didnt

 

^^^^

Seriously children get a room... every car here in the US should be considered a "F"reekin import... I would probably be safe to bet that 80-90 % of the crap that the car is assembled with came from either Mexico or some other country...

 

Just the facts:

2010 Camaro
Built in Canada
60% parts content from US/Canada

2010 Challenger
Built in Canada
56% parts content from US/Canada

2010 Mustang
Built in US
60% parts content from US/Canada

2010 Camry
Built in US
80% parts content from US/Canada

2010 Accord
Built in US
75% parts content from US/Canada

I'm not making any conclusions from that data. Just providing it for your information. I'd much rather cruise around in a Camaro than an Accord.

As for corporate profits. I am not educated in global economics. I'm sure there are major effects to our economy since the imports are "based" in another country. Another point I will make. I don't care if the super rich corporate execs live in the US or Japan. Who I care about is the American workers and parts manufacturers that benefit from "import" companies setting up shop in the US.

 

Almost all the "Honduhs" here in town are of the "*****" mentality. There are maybe one or two that actually have some *****. One is a Civic hatch with I believe an H22 swap and 75 shot of the laughing gas and another is a 90's model integra with a paxton supercharger on it but even then it really isn't that quick. The kids around here drive me nuts.

 

gotta to ask, the occasional ones that have a turbo unit stuck on, are they even anything to worry about with an say 14sec car? or are they still stuck in the 16's? reason i ask is becase 95% of hondas around here are stock with fart can and bodykit but iv actually seen 1 older prelude? or accord that there is noticably a turbo and i belive iv seen a intercooler on it.

 

where did you get these numbers from? You need to cite the source in order to gain credibility ... if these number are indeed accurate 5% +/- ... I would be completely surprised...

 

I was at hte track a few weeks ago and there was a honda that drove to the track and ran 7.4XX. also a Geo metro with an open header, no hood, missing 1 fender, but it had a 10 pt cage , all lexan windows, and 2 10lb nitrous bottles int he floor I laughed at it until it got beside me and ran a 7.13. I was 6.78 but still I definitely ate my words and gave a compliment to the geo guys.

 

It really depends man, I know the one turbo civic we have here can't seem to get out of the low 15's high 14's. but like many others here have said you can have one that looks like a bag of smashed a$$holes and run pretty good. I say run'em and see what happens.

 

Lol, KNBlazer since I've always wanted credibility from you, here you go. I know its pretty suprising how unamerican American cars are and how American imports are, isn't it?

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/buyingGui...ories&year=New

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/au...-american-cars

 

Um.. my stock TPI 350 (stock heads, cam, intake and even TB ) made 420 ft lbs of torque WITH headers and cat back exhaust and at a ridiculous peak of something like 2800. SO I have the low end torque you are saying I need.. but why is the car only good for low 14s?

 

Uuuummm, no......... Headers are a majorly needed thing for an Fbody to go faster. These stock manifolds should be used as boat anchors. I know when I installed my 2055's my car was MUCH FASTER!!!! Dude, please stop posting nonsense.

 

No stupid, they won't. IIRC long tubes are better for low end torque, shorties are better for more top end. I might have it mixed up but that is the truth. Jesus man, come on.

 

OMFG!!!! Where do you get your info from? goingfaster.com? Are you the next Black Echo? damn dude.

 

Dude, just let it go, a few of us already made him look stupid lol

 

Successful troll is successful, m/o/rons.
ninetyone is awarded 2 internets.

 

It really depends on the setup and the investment, you cant put all imports or even all hondas under the same umbrella.

For example it would be extremely easy and cheap to boost a stock 1.5/1.6L civic with the sohc D series.

A manifold in either mild tube stainless tube or cast iron can be got for well under $100 on ebay and since the motors are so tiny a factory turbo from most any OE 2.0L engine is a cheap and effective option.

If you knew what you were doing and wanted to save every penny you could be running 5-6 PSI for a few hundred bucks. That'll net you all of 150-160 HP at the wheels.

A few grand will get you a nicer system but much more than 5-6 psi will be risky on the stock motor. Honda rods are toothpicks. It's actualy the bolts that go first so you could buy ARP bolts to replace the stockers (studs will require a rebuild and machine work) and proabably run 10 psi on a great tune, ie not an FMU. Proabably 200 WHP +/-.

Luckily hondas have a tuning aftermarket second only to the LS motors.

The next step is to either invest in a swap or invest in building the old D series. There are great options for building a cheap boost friendly D.

With a studded block forged pistons and rods and a well sorted top end 500+ HP and 11's are doable rather cheap.

The larger modern honda engines are actualy still playing catchup to the fastest D and B motors but they are more powerfull out of the box and much beefier, not to mention being as large as 2.4L stock.

As for the FWD vs RWD debate from what I see there just isnt much difference in ultimate performance. If you look at a given cars output and race weight you can still predice fairly close what the ET will be. If FWD was such a hinderance then they would be running consistantly slower for a giver power/weight ratio.

The secret for great 0-60 times and great ET's regardless of drive config is using torque reaction to enhance off the line traction. People always mistakenly assume that weight transfer is the key to a great launch but without good traction from the very first moments of the run weight transfer is compromised. They think that the squat seen with most street cars is visual proof of weight transfer and thus is a good thing, it's not.

A good understanding of newtonian physics shows that when the rear of a car is being pushed down by torque reaction (not weight transfer as is assumed) the opposite and equal reaction is catualy the wheels being pulled up. This reduces bite off the line, what you want is for the rear to be pushed up during launce in a rwd car so that the bodies resistance to that motion plants the wheels.

This is most easily done on a rwd car with a solid axle but can be done with an IRS or in the case of a fwd car IFS by tuning the LCA geometry to create a wedge effect during a hard launch. The fwd has the added advantage of having the motor over the drive wheels.

In the days before the import drag scene took such a dive fwd drag cars were reaching impressive heights as far as fwd specific knowledge and technology. It's not as easy to find as knowledge about rwd solid axle info but it is out there for those interested.


After boosting my fwd mx6 and stepping up the tuning from fmu to stand alone I should be pushing as much as 500 whp on the stock 2.5 then I'll begin suspension tuning including fabbing some ideas of my own to try and maximise traction off the line.

 

okay im really confused, he said headers were bad for thirgens, but he bought a pair!? i dont know what to do. haha, im only 17 and know way more about engines than he does.

i wanna throw this in for shlits and giggles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbaZ...eature=related

 

the only cable that I did not have trouble with were the moroso's blue racing wires... there quite expensive but I thought car handled pretty well.... I was getting cross arcing with my accel and msd cables...

 

You shouldn't have edited that, I saw your original post in my email alert from TGO.

That tool bag doesn't know anything. He THINKS he does. He's claimed his buddy has an 11 second stock internal 305, first with a Paxton, then with a Vortech. He claims that aftermarket parts such as 3.73:1 & 4.10:1 rear diff. gears make a Third Gen slower due to having to rev higher to do a certain speed. Basically, he thinks that 4,500 RPM is OUT of the powerband for a third gen, and that they need to benefit from the Torque at 3,000-3,500 RPM.

He also says that longtube headers, and larger air intakes do the same, with the result being a slower car.

Next he'll say that drag radials and slicks make you slower, by making the car catch some traction, and bog you down off of the line.

Then he'll say that turbos make you slower, due to the lag.

Then he'll say superchargers make you slower, due to the power they rob the serpentine system of.

Then he'll say that weight reduction makes a car slower. (I've actually had some re-re on HERE tell me this. His explanation was that my saggy 100,000 mile original springs will suddenly make the suspension stiff, therefore not allowing my car to transfer weight off of the line.) My springs actually have 99,3XX miles on them. LOL. Not 100,000!

Then ninetyone will say that nitrous makes your car slower, due to most setups having a "window" switch. Such as ZEX's kit having basically a WOT window switch. Allowing the nitrous to active whenever the car is it WOT. He'll claim that it'll take the car away from the Torque range! Revving high makes third gens slow! Who would have guessed.

Then he'll say that any performance part swapped in for a stock part in general makes your car slow. Don't rebuild your L98 with a 10.5:1 compression Eagle stroker kit, leave it stock! It'll be faster!

Certainly no headers!

Check out this BS. LOL.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...k-85-iroc.html

He thinks that free-flowing exhausts cause the engine to make less power, due to taking away the backpressure!