ok there is this one kid that has something like a 280zx (might be a diffrent Z car never seen it upclose) and he's always goes by my place to pick up his GF from a kids house i know. but sometimes when he'll go buy when im cleaning up the camaro or whatever he'll actually stop in front and rev his zx at my camaro and then peel out leaving the neighborhood, he'll even do the same in his older toyota pickup. i talked to the gf's brother (13) anyhow he says its competly stock. anyhow im curious who do you think would win. im stock right now (305tpi) but by the time i'll start driving i'll atleast have exhuast with headers. so am i better to go from a roll or dead stop? dead stop im guessing? thanks. btw i know its a turbo (came stock on zx's) anyhow and you can hear the annoying honfs sounding pop in his exhaust. dont get me wrong i love 280z's just not the zx's so much. so what's the outcome? btw im 99% sure its an auto.

 

From a standstill you will more than likely eat him alive.

Horsepower ratings are similar, and he weighs about 400 lbs less than you, but your superior torque and lack of need for spool-up time should eat him for breakfast.

Run your tires 10 PSI under and make sure you greatly exaggerate how many miles are on the block and how much you paid for it

 

lol now thats what i wanna hear! hell honestly im not sure if its an turbo he might just have a crappy exhuast but either way it sounds good! would he win from a roll do you think?

 

My money is on the ROC.

 

just gave me an idea, should i put up some money?

 

dnt wanna burst ur bubble bur u have 305 to began with and maros are heavy as hell so dont even think that u will beat an import without him givin you a car distance headstart... unless ur plannin on a mile drag instead of qtr.

sory man i had a 89 300z turbo that thing was faaaaassst and light if u at leas had a 350 tpi i would say go 4 it but thats just

But .... the driver makes a huuuuuge difference so gl

 

Tell us how this race goes, in a little over two years.


"To obtain a provisional driver license, make sure you produce and perform the following:

• Have an instruction permit from Oregon, other state, or District of Columbia for at least six months

• Proof of age, at least 16 years old"

 

no defently lol. thats why i said that i'll probaly atleast have exhuast by then. just to let everyone know its not gonna be some stupid punks racing on a busy street. just a dead end, empty street quarter mile type race nothing more then that. yes i know that it is still dangerous but not to anyone else then us two. it might even be at a dragstrip.

 

Great.. Another misinformed import lover.

1989 300ZX Turbo - Weight - 3474.5 lbs.

0-60 - 6.5 seconds.

0-100 - 16.5 seconds.

The weight of a low optioned IROC-Z 350 5.7 Automatic Overdrive - 3,341.

He has a 305. I believe the 305's were a bit lighter.

So, either way you figure it, how is a "maro" heavy when it is about 150 pounds lighter than a car that you claim is faassssssst and light? I'm not the smartest guy on here, but at least take the time to check these things out before you type up your professional opinion.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble too man but the 280zx's(300zx's weighing in at over 3500 lbs) were not that light either... 3k plus is not light. Maybe LIGHTER than an F-body but certainly not lighter than a DSM(which are not light in themselves) 305 TPI makes just about the same HP as the 2.8L Turbo in the 280zx but makes gobs more torque. I would say for the HP/Torque to weight ratio it would be a good race. O and are you another 305 doubter? The 305tpi/ 5 spd's are not that much slower than the 350tpi/ Auto combo. Even the 300zx's were not very fast, stock form making 300hp running 14's? Not really much of a car if you ask me... Run from a dig and you should win, from a roll he might have you... Good luck, post results when you run him!

 

Deffinately with Shadow Z on this one... the 280zx's/ 300zx's were not anywhere close to light...

 

not trying to be a a-hole but ya you had a 89 this is more of a late 70's i dont know To much about fairlady z's but i belive there pretty diffrent cars.

 

I was just kidding anyway. Once you get start modding your 305 a bit, I think you'll be able to yank enough power out of it to take him. Remember, this car produced 300 BHP back in 1989. This is 2010. Your 305 may be making more power if he's really beat on his car, and the rings, head gaskets, and fuel system aren't all in peak condition..

I remember seeing I think it was the "1,500 pound Porsche challenge" on Top Gear. Where they had to go out and buy a Porsche for I believe it was 1,500 pounds, which is a little more than 3,000 USD I believe.

Anyway, bottom line is, they dynoed these cars, and the power loss due to age and low maintenance was incredible. Check it out, it was a neat episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jPaYnaKVDk

 

thanks this thread has went from dead to alive in minutes lol. when i do race him its probaly not gonna be right when i get my liscence 1. because i dont wanna lose it my first night and 2. i wanna practice acceleration and emergency braking for a while.

 

WOOOOW didn't think i was gonna get that much attention hahaha well im not an import lover im all about muscle i bought the 300 cuz i need it a car at the time but any ways

thanx for the info thou the way my 300 ride i thought it was light compared to the rs i had .....

but aaaannnnyyyy ways let us know how it goes

 

ok i just wanna throw it out that im not going be another kid wrapping a camaro around a tree in a week. ya he runs that thing like its a new Z always w.o.t from dead stops and funny thing is that he can barely peel the tires in it. before i do race i really wanna get a chance to talk to him to see exactly the specs of it and if there mods or not and what not. i'll really think it will be a good whoopin if i can get a full exhuast and some porting done and other odds and ends. i'l check out the vid when i can find my headphones

 

dont hold ya breath it'll be a while lol.

 

O yea deff agree with old age= power loss! The numbers can be ridiculous! Especially on a boosted car. I have seen plenty of VERY VERY powerful 305 cars. PPL are quick to throw out the 305 as a good engine, but the longer stroke in the smaller bore makes good torque(granted the engine cannot rev as quickly but it can make power. (the 350 are more evened out bore vs. stroke to make a good small block that can rev and make good hp.) Why do you think the ford 302 walks the Chevy 305? The 302 has a shorter stroke and a bigger bore. Better Bore vs. Stroke ratio basically.

 

yep i really dont see the diffrence unless if your looking for max peformance potention to go with a 350 over a 305 if you already have the 305.

 

just for reference,my car weighed 3500 lbs with me in it on a dot scale.I weighed 200 then.Im 175-180 now.Yes ive done some weight reduction but nothing over the top.I think you got him,especially when you do headers and exhaust.id go from a dig ,but practice your launches.the gas pedal is not an on off switch.The 305 5 speed cars were as fast as the 350 A cars due to the l98 cam and less drivetrain loss.My buddy said he raced a 5.0 5 speed g92 option car and it walked his 89 gta 350 pretty bad.street is a good place for tpi to shine.just be careful and dont f up and die/kill someone else or anything stupid like that.just saying.drag racing cant be too fun in prison.i do it some but keep it to no more than 80 on the street.

 

ya im 220lbs right now he's probaly only about 150 lol. ya im going most likely have a complete exhuast by then headers,y-pipe,cat,catback. i know atleast the catback/cat. Defintly keeping it a lil more safe. probaly 0-60 or 0-80 will be it.

 

I hope you meant 120.

 

nope 220. and no im not some fatazz. i just got lots of muscle, and fat lol but its enough to scare the crap out of 99% if the kids i go to school with if they start stuff and im also 6ft tall, mens size 14shoe

 

You're huge for your age. I'm about 6'1" and somewhere in the 190 range, maybe 200.

 

ya one thing that sucks though is im accused of EVERYTHING! back when i was even in like 4th grade i was also taller then and i got acused of everything and if i was to do something say stand on a chair, i got in trouble like i shot someone. just recently this year i got acused of breaking urinals since i went into the bathroom one day and when i was being asked there was a cop and my principle and it was like i was in a interigation room and they basically were saying i was breaking the urinals when i honest to god did'nt. pisses me off though that they didnt find the kid that did because they probaly still think i did it.

lol probaly got a lil personal there.

atleast your 6.1 and isnt a string bean lol, i was told by 2 specialist that im going be abot 7ft tall. dear god i hope not i want to be 6.2-6.4 no bigger please!

 

hope this isn't hijacking the thread but here's a clip of my 305 at the track last year against a civic si all motor but just a comparison, the guy didn't catch me til the finish line ( crappy track conditions) http://www.streetfire.net/video/sini...vic_702146.htm imports don't win all the time. but it should be a good run for ya against that Z

 

thanks for the vid. so im hoping i should do pretty good. i really wanna smoke the guy bad expecially if he's a a-hole.

 

its primarily all about traction and who's the better driver. and like some others have said too power to weight ratio plays a big part.

 

THAAAANK YOU it appears everyone only read what i wrote about my 300 and that i don't like 305 engines and everyone missed what i said "DRIVER MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE"

if you cant handle your v8 a good driver on a 4cyl will leave in the dust

 

I read what you said at first, but literally two thirds of it was all BS that you made up from your opinion. You were ignorant to the fact that Third Gens are actually very light cars, and now you're trying to cover your butt with these whack job theories.

Don't even think that you will beat an import? The fastest production car produced today is AMERICAN. It has an SSC designed engine which is loosely based on the SBC. They originally ran a Chevy 388 twin turbo when they set their speed record of 256.18 mph in 2007, which took the record from the Bugatti Veyron.

American muscle will take imports any day, if they're built correctly. Whether it's with the ZR1 on the Nurburgring, or high powered street cars. The problem with imports is that they think VTAK and extra valves will make up for their shortcomings in the displacement area.

Torque wins races, Horsepower ratings sell cars.

In all honesty though, that "it's the driver that counts" stuff is bullcrap. You can be the best driver in the world, but if your vehicle is not up to the challenge, bye bye, you lose! Same goes for the driver though. You can have a purpose built drag car with 1,000, 3,000, a million Horsepower! But.. They may be scared to get on the throttle.

I hear that underdog attitude r!cer crap all the time from the idiots down the street from me. "IT DUH DRIVER NOT DA CAR". As they make odd movements implying they're steering a steering wheel.. It sure is the car, considering they drive a 90's Civic hatchback, and an old Jeep Wrangler.

 

hahah i dnt give a shh if u think im bsing i have both i have my z28 and i have a lancer i've race sukers like you in mustangs and camaros with my 2.4l n they eat my dust and im talking about stock settup now you are not gonna blame their cars for their stupidity... IM NOT saying i like imports im just saying the driver DOES make a difference but im not even gonna try to change the way you think, people like you make some other people look smarter but any ways i wont keep arguing with you. u have you way to see things and i have mine so f**k it...

 

Yeah, people like me this, people like me that. Do you know me? No. You probably "raced" a stock V6 Mustang who didn't know you were attempting to race. They might've thought you were attempting to change lanes?

Anyway.. People like YOU make me feel a million times smarter. I mean, come on now, you're too lazy to spell out a THREE letter word. How much effort does it take to type "you"? Practically none, I can type with my eyes closed.

Since you want to act like a little sissy and make this so personal, I'll let it be personal. No problem.

"I beat all you suckas wit me 4 cylinder!" LOL. That's all I have to say.

 

what YOU got a little but hurt

 

Just add one more T and you've got it. Almost.. You get a gold star anyway.

 

 

PWNED

 

 

My friend has a 1982 280ZX turbo with a 5 speed. Stock, they run a high 15, I think a 15.7 and 0-60 in around 7.2. His model only weighs around 2800 lbs, according to him, I haven't researched that. He has a 3" exhaust with a flowmaster, which sounds great, and a manual boost controller set for 10 psi. Little thing doesn't do too bad. We kinda play raced punching it at around 15 mph or so and that 280 ripped away pretty good. He ran a 15.1 with a bad clutch at the track, so I think he could at least get a 15, maybe high 14 range if he figures out the vacuum leaks.

Do you have the auto with 190 hp? If so, with the mods you want (and assuming your car is in good tune) you might run a lower 15 at best, but maybe others will say different. I think that LB9 runs 15.5 or something stock. I have hooker 2055s and they help the top end some, but it's still a dog to 60.

I forgot to mention that when we raced I had a burned plug wire, a plugged cat, a rusted out exhaust, and stock manifolds. For you, I think it could be a close race, if I'm thinking of the right cars.

Another something to add if no one else has mentioned it; the auto's could actually be better in a drag because I guess the stall was a good speed for the turbo to spool up or something. I don't know, don't take my word for that, I don't know anything about turbo cars.

 

cool but they seem pretty gutless at the bottom end, the kid with the Z can rarely peel the tires and the camaro will peel the tires at half throttle about.

correct just 190hp 300tq or so its basically stock but the engine is pretty clean and only 27k miles. from what iv heard somewhere aroud 15.5 is correct not sure if its slightly slower for mine since she's fully loaded with t-tops and everything exept leather.

if im lucky the first mods will be the magnaflow catback, magnaflow cat, then hooker 2055's and small things like plug wires, plugs etc.

thanks i dont know much about them either.

thanks though

 

They aren't torque machines at all, but they do make it to 60 quicker than your/my car does. After you get those mods done I'm sure you'll be doing much better. I would bet that if you put a 190 hp lb9 up against a turbo ZX, you would watch the LB9 get him up top, but they would be neck and neck in the low end. They don't need the torque like our cars do to get moving. Also, keep in mind that being able to "peel the tires" will be one of your worst enemies when you race that thing.

I don't know what this guy you know has (year, transmission, etc). My friends is an 82. It has the best manual transmission they put in that gen, a Borgwarner T-5. The guy you know could have a 2+2 or something, which would be heavier (and pretty homely imo). That little 2.8 inline 6 is a pretty stout little machine. With a $20 boost controller, you're toast. With $800 in things like headers, a catback and a high flow cat, you would then be even. Unfortunately, after exhaust, boost controllers, and turbos, it takes serious and expensive work to get them faster.

Edit: This is what my friend has:
http://www.rietzusa.com/Car%20and%20..._Outside_4.jpg

 

very true about the peeling the tire thing maybe before the race i'll have to put some soap on the tire lol. i belive he has an auto but im not sure iv never heard him shift so im just going by that. and if i had a z a nice 327 would be going in its place lol. is that actually it? very nice anyhow.

 

Soap? Wouldn't that be like putting down bleach or something to make you spin easier? Letting a few psi out of the back tires might gain you some traction.

to the 327! Check out the Scarab Z kits. I think they went out of production a long time ago, but many still put sbc's in those cars. They don't even need many mods to be screaming fast due to the weight advantage. The differences in engine weight isn't a whole real lot either.

His car is close to that color, but it needs some work. It's still in nice shape for it's age. His has a striping decal that goes well on the car.

As long as you have those mods, I wouldn't worry. I think you would still win if you didn't, but the mods should really show in the race.

 

sorry said it wrong what i ment was put some soap on HIS tires so he'll spin like man because he'll probaly just do wot from a stop lol. ya i really want a 280z and put a 327 in it the 280z's are my absoulute favorites and i think the 327 would be awesome for it expecially if you found any chevy with a aluminum block/heads and internals pratically be the same weight as stock but sh*t load faster! better then having a total beat up one it seems thats all you see now aday's of the fairlady z's. the exhuast is amazinly restrictive. when i tore the muffler off when just reving at 2k you could tell there is a diffrence with better responce. couldn inmaginge with headers cat and 3in pipes. btw how does lowering the air pressure help? to not spin quite as much? you would think it would just make you slower since there is more rolling resistace.

 

My money is on the fire bird LOL. Deflating radial street tires will cause them to cup and You will lose traction. And doing big burnout will over heat the tire and lose traction. To see If your contact patch is right do a burnout about ten feet or so long and if it's "dusty " in the center then tire pressure is low. If the" dust" is on the sides then pressure is. To high

 

It's suppose to help with the launch, although I've never tried it. Some people at the track do it. I think it helps because if your tires are low, more rubber makes contact with the ground. Just make a good launch and you should have him.


The factory exhaust manifolds are terrible, with a low amount of flow capability. The y pipe is crummy as well. Magnaflow supposedly makes one of the best cat back systems for this car, so that sounds like a good option (you were looking into magnaflow right?). I've thought about changing out my muffler because I've heard that flowmasters aren't the best for flow lol. It came with the car.

Watch out about this 3" pipe stuff. People debate about back pressure, but in my experience it can make a big difference. If you want to put some work into the exhaust, maybe true duals would be something to look into, like the G92 cars had. Maybe dual 2.5s or something? I don't know if that's too big even.

One thing that's also nice is that my 2055s gave me close to 2 more mpg. They also really helped my top end.

Sorry to go on and on, but look into a ram air setup.
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/ca...mairboxes.aspx

It's next on my mod list. All the exhaust mods you are planning to do paired with a good intake should get you going along pretty well. I don't see why you couldn't run a low 15 if you drive it right. After that, consider a cam! The difference between the '85s 215hp motor and your 190 is all because of a cam change. A good cam alone could get you to 220 or so. A cam with all those mods will get you 14s .

 

I don't understand why they would cup? I'm not testing you, I'm just not clear on it.

I guess it's also done because a rigid street tire can cause a loss in traction, but I don't know, I just know what I've read lol. I don't want fool with expensive tires. Makes a lot more sense than what I guessed before ahahahaha.

 

They cup because it has no support inside the tire so the weight loads the sidewalls and the center becomes unloaded . I'm not sure if I explained very well or not but I do know that's what it does
And for clarification doing john force burnout will do the over heating thing but they look cool

 

ya im going replace the manifolds when i can with the 2055 plus they even come with a supposely good y-pipe! and yep im going go with the magnaflow with a matching at so i got myself and complete exhuast. from what iv seen the cars that people have done true duals on have really bad ground clerance and this is gonna be a daily driver so a no-no on that. im thinking i'll probaly do full exhuast first, then stuff like plug wires, then porting of the complete tpi system and heads, and in between all that will be suspension upgrades and other reinforcments.

 

To bad your not in AZ I have complete 3in kit laying around headers y-pipe.

 

how much just curious?