So this kid at school says his dads 2005ish? BMW m3 (6 speed) with cold air and exhaust could smoke my 91. My 91 is a 414 moderately built (450ish hp) with a ls1 t-56, 4 link, cage, drag radials and 3.25 gears and dual exhaust. I feel like it might be a close race

sweet. will beclose race. gears are goin to be the thing to look out for

If you can drive, you've got a good chance. If not, that M3 may easily take you. They aren't too fast, but they're a low 13 second car. Not much to mess around with on the street, especially since traction is tricky on the street.

Otherwise, I'm best friends with my T56 in the Mustang and jam gears all day long. I can take him for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsubO-srs-k

Doubt it, but maybe. The Mustang may be capable of mid 13's, enough to easily take an E46 M3 in a straight line if they're a stoopid driver.

The difference is, it's your car against his Daddy's...

I say you already got him beat

My uncle in Germany has a Porsche, in Italy a Lambo, yada, yada yada...

Go third gen!

Rafael

Yeah I was thinking about the gears myself, I found out some more info and its an 06 m3 with cold air, exhaust system, and chip. Its gonna be close but If I hook up, I got em, or Ill just throw 4.11's in there and smoke em. Daddys car doesnt seem so fast anymore...

He talks about how fast his daddy's car is, where's his car?

hes got an f350 (not a dually) quad cab, 8 foot bed. its sweet. so he drives his dads m3 for fun.

i go to school with both of these knuckleheads. theyre my dudes. hahah

Turbo Diesel?
One of my friends had an f-250 turbo diesel. That thing was fast! Surprised the heck out of me. He could out run most Camaro's with a loaded trailer behind him.

yeah turbo diesel. It really does haul a$$ his 0-20 is so quick its not even funny.

450hp in a 3500 lb car > 333hp in a 3600lb car

You would think so anyway. They make good use of that 333 horsepower. Unlimited they pull to about 170 MPH, and they're a low 13 second car. This would most likely take place on the street, not a prepped track surface.

Traction trumps horsepower.

He said with the chip he's makin like 350 HP but when I race him the cars gonna be as bare as can be. But just in case....

If you honestly have 450rwhp then this is no contest for you. M3's make 333hp stock and I doubt the mods you mentioned above will put him anywhere near the 400 mark. As long as you're not jerking off between shifts or something you should take his money easily.

You have a .090 over 396 big block, and you're even considering using nitrous against a naturally aspirated 3.2L 6 cylinder...? If you can get traction you can take him. Basically if you know how to drive, you'll have it.

I'm starting to hope he wins just because you're considering making it way more unfair with nitrous. I took a turbo 2.5 E36 that was supposedly running 16 PSI, haven't ever came across an E46 M3 in person though. Just know what they can do on paper. And this was with a little less than 300 HP in my GT, probably only 240 or so RWHP. Bimmers aren't incredibly quick accelerating cars, but they can really get up there top speed wise due to being pretty aerodynamic.

Just don't race him in the twisties and you'll be good...M3's handle about as well as a Z06.

The nitrous was a joke, I don't even have the right plate and jets. But I've been talkin him up so much. I just gotta work a few weeks and get the money to buy a driveshaft and clutch

As others have said, unless you can't drive or you boil the tires at the line there's NO reason you should lose...NONE. The M3's are good performers but you have the power advantage and the weight is comparable.

Good luck and represent us well.

I don't see why you would loose, m3 weighs more, has more than 100 less hp, AND they make NO torque. They are quick and nimble, but no way you should loose in any way shape or form.

How so you think it'd be if we got into a few twisties?

look this isnt even a question of will you beat him or not, its whether or not yall know to take it to the track. On the drag strip, that m3 is worthless. Put some sticky tires on your car and beat him till he gives his daddys car back to his daddy.

IF you have no suspension work..... bad


And not bashing you, but are you sure you have that power? Is it only a bored 396? I once thought thought my buddys 350 had 400+horse. Till we actually took it to a dyno..... like 225 or something it was 7years ago.

But, if you do have that power and everything that others mentioned.... I don't see a problem beating him

I'm pretty sure. Me and my dad did some math and stuff and got that as an estimate we haven't dynoed it but we've had it on a test stand. It got some head work done also while it was in the machine shop.

Agreed about the hp thing. I have this friend who said his 04 V6 Mustang was worked and had 409 hp. So when he got to my house I asked him to pop the hood, stock. Then I went for a ride and when he floored it he was like "it's fast right?" and I just told him "dude, this thing goes as fast as my moms stock 04". He bought it from a dealership and believed them when they said it had 409 hp. The place used to be a bbq joint!

race him from a dig... drag radials = win

slicks = double win

Hahaha

okay so since yesterday was so nice, me and the kid headed out to starbucks, and hes like, "wanna go for a ride in the M3?" well of course i said yes and i quickly learned all the pros and cons to that car on the highway. we hit an entrace ramp at 110 quickly, but not super fast. like someone said above, its the twisties that are the issues. we went around a sharp bend at 120 no problem. no chance that the car would lose control. another pro for him is that he has the paddle shifters which are obviously quicker than the stick shift. so, basically, you got this race in a bag except for turns.

BTW,

....HE STILL THINKS HE WILL WIN.....