http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/2413201582.html


88 RS TBI 5.0 ??

i beleave u have about 80 horses more but they are lighter it mostly comes down to the driver but your 88 should be able to come out ahead

that car makes 0-60 in 5.7 secons =/

No, the ad states that the clutch is gone.
If your camaro runs halfway ok and the tranny does not slip in 2nd you'd beat him.

Fix the clutch on that car and it'd be close.

The 944 definately has a weight benefit over the camaro, andit's firly close to the stock LO3 in peak horsepower.

On a track it'd still be close because the camaro is a full 4" wider, has a wider track and accelerates better out of slow corners.

It will beat the Camaro in one respect. It'll be one of roughly 115 000 made (944 between 1982 and 1989).

EDIT:: no the 944 base model does not do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. A 1985 944 needed between 8.5 and 9.0 when new. If it was a 944 turbo, the price would most likely have been somewhat different, the owner would have had enough money to find a sunroof in the same colour as the car and the ad would clearly state that it was one of 13 000 944 turbo cars exported to the US.

I doubt even the turbo version stock can pull those numbers they only pushed around 200 hp from the factory 150 non turbo so if it was a turbo im sure the seller would have used that as a major selling point and even then it still would be tight but a good match up

i think i want to buy it

Then buy it. They have a nice appeal to them and the price is pretty good but keep in mind the 5 digit od there can easly be 100,000 if not 2 But either way makes for a good project good luck

a tad off subject...pvr you wanna buy an edelbrock performer TBI intake for your car? Message me up!

coming from somebody who owns that exact same car, mine is a 1988,

in a drag race it will be about the same it might beat you,

Now if you and him race on a real track, with turns, you are so screwed

I seriously doubt that as long as both cars are in a similar state of maintenance and are on stock tires.

Stock tires for the Camaro 215/65 R15
Stock tires for the 944 215/60 R15

I seriously doubt that as well. Screwed is relative. Since both cars are manual, the camaro is heavier but has a wider track and more torque coming out of the corners the only advantage the Porsche will have in stock guise is lower weight which means it could actually round the corners at a slightly higher speed, but lose ground in every other aspect.

Numbers:

1988 Chevrolet Camaro RS
Engine: 305ci (5.0L), 9.3:1 Compression Ratio, Throttle Body Injected,
HP: 170@4000 RPM, TQ: 255@2400 RPM
Drivetrain: 5 Speed Manual Transmission, 3.08:1 Rear Axle.
0-60 MPH: 7.6 seconds
1/4 mile: 15.71
Skid Pad: 0.82g

1985 Porsche 944
Engine: 151ci (2,5L), 9.5:1 Compression Ratio,
HP: 150@5500 RPM, TQ: 138@3000 RPM
Drivetrain: 5 Speed manual Transmission, 3,89:1 Rear Axle.
0-60 mph 8.9 seconds
1/4 mile: 16.3
Skid Pad: 0.81g

you can post your web findings all day long, the fact is, in a drag race the cars are almost a equal match with the porsche being upper handed.

NOW ON THE RACE TRACK, dont even try to run with the porsche, its a independent rear trailing arm suspension with a rear mounted transmission. car is balanced perfectly, and the over engineered steering box is unmatched. the porsche is also way more rigid, its a unibody and its construction is way better than any american unibody especially our flimsy thirdgens.

the porsche is a better car every day of the week, and with only 4 cylinders it will probably still beat the camaro in a straight line.

and why would you even compare the tires, its not like the porsche is going to spin off the line. No its heavy duty clutch and rear mounted transmission make for a smooth transition of power. and it breathes well up to 6000 rpms

Now the camaro, its not going to hook up very well with stock tires, and then its gonna run out of air at 4800 rpms, its going to lose

i also think the 944 would beat my camaro, these germans, they are the best

jkrustchinsky- I have to agree with solitaire, it would be alot closer than you think. You talk like its a 911 turbo vs. a 4 cylinder Iron Duke or something. And I'm sorry but a 305 stock motor is not going to spin off the line like you say. It will have the torque advantage, but it's not a big block. It will hook just fine in stock form. In a straight line I'll put my money on the Camaro any day, and win. As for the twisties, that will be close too. Even considering it doesn't have your "independent rear trailing arm suspension with a rear mounted transmission", it still managed to put down equal numbers. Just because it says Porsche, doesn't mean it can beat the whole world.

On this side of the pond you can buy a good 944 for $6000 upwards. By now I spent more on most of the cars I owned, including on the Camaro.

I had the oppertunity to drive a few 944's (last tried one last year. It was on sale at a tankstop near my work. Red, in fairy good shape, about 70 000km on it but overpriced at $10 000). Hell, there are currently 222 of these on offer on mobile.de (compare to autotrader or craigslist) and I actually played with the thought of picking one up for the winter season this year for some time. They are cheaper in taxes and insurance as well as in the majority of the parts for me. Will most likely be different in the US however.

It's not going to be as impressive as you suggest. Neither in a straight line nor on a track. As ChrisRS aptly points out, it's only a VolksWagen with an expensive nametag.

These cars (the 944's) suffer from horrible bodyroll, unless you're going to do something about it, and even though the lower weight would be a big benefit on the track the car can hardly utilize on it because it nose-dives quite heavily when braking. From personal experience, the Camaro has more weight in the front but brakes better because as long as your shocks and springs are good, it dives less, and with that keeps more of the weight on the rear wheels while breaking increasing handling during braking

To make things easier, there are hardly no aftermarket parts available for them so the most common fix for bodyroll is lowering springs and better shocks as well as wheel spacers (see where the stock Camaro already has a slight advantage? It's wider).

I don't need internet findings to know this. Just tried to use those numbers to illustrate claims based on personal experience by numbers car magazines could substantiate by also driving these cars.

The reason to compare tire sizes is not because either one is likely to have a lot of wheelspin, but tires appear to be, and have been for quite some time, the contact patch between the car and the asphalt and with that tire width is relevant in both straight line as well as around corners.

There are some other variables that also play a big role in how stuff works, but trying to write out most of the relevant details and compare the two vehicles here would mean I'd have to write a novel, where internet can provide you with all you'd want to know as well. I'd advise to just start with geometry and work your way up from there.

I'll leave it at that because

i love these big debates

I hate them, but I just could not let so much ignorance go uncorrected. Just as NOS stickers do not make cars go faster by themselves, neither do Porsche badges make cars win races. It all needs to be backed up by the proper equipment to do that.

I never cared much for those shoddy looking 80's porshe's. So ugly looking, seem cheaply made, and a 4 cylinder? C'mon. Now the newer Porshe's take the cake any day of the week, and are what a Porshe SHOULD be!