Guest

Ok, The defender of the BIG L-W (my area, my turf if you will.)

Good running fresh tune up L98

FULLY PORTED SLP runners

hawks ram air boxes

gutted maff

air foil

Tb bypass (most coolest in temp part of the motor

NOS TPI kit: 150 / heater / blanket / 93 gas / heavy foot

magy cat back no cat no a/c

alum drive shaft

3:23 dead posi, gonna top it off and see if it comes back agian like last time. car still leaves pretty good on 1 foot even with bad tires...

MSD blaster coil (stock replacement ---yet to get

new yoky y520 tires ($200 ea)
---I WILL BE GETTING NEW TIRES---


buddys ls1 car

1999 T/A

stock (not even a catback)

-2:73-

auto

said to run a 13.5x

more stock

makes alot squaking noise and always wants crackers all the damn time, NO YOU CANT HAVE ANY ****ING CRACKERS! crackers are for rabbits silly bird.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

im trying to at least hang if not beat this clown, then hes agreed to help me do a 5.3 swap. ;- )>

Yager90IROC

iTrader: (1)

I don't know how you'd do with your nitrous, but without out it you have no chance. Your L98 is basically stock. You need ALOT to run with an LS1.
In your current state you don't even have full bolt-ons, and therefore don't stand a chance. (Like I said earlier I don't know how the nitrous will affect the outcome of the race)
Good luck though!

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

With nitrous its hard to say. Like said previously motor to motor no chance. Nitrous may put you closer but I still think you'd only be a 13.8 to 14.2

86White_T/A305

I agree on you losing,sorry.You would have good pull off the line but it will be very shortlived..and having a near blown posi and bad tire makes that even worse.I had a 383hsr and ls1s were still a handfull.Its the midrange and topend that will blow past you.Nitrous will help but I suggest you spray off the line if you want to put some distance before it chases you down.The shorter the race..the better the tpi will shine.1/8 mile..then a healthy built l98 will usually take down a ls1..1/4mile..expect to see tail lights.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

With a 150 shot I think you'll have a chance. A stock auto, 2.73 car? Nothing special IMO, contrary to popular believe not every LS1 is a 12 second car....I'd say he's mid 13's?

It's really going to depend on your traction and how well your car runs really...I think if you can jump on him at launch the nitrous will hold him off until the end. Like the previous response said though..a blow posi isn't going to help. If he jumps on you at launch don't even bother hitting the giggle gas, you'll just be wasting it.

So what else have you done for this nitrous? Any tune? Different plugs? Is this just a bone stock L98 with a nitrous kit slapped on?

NufNuffZ28

iTrader: (10)

There must be some nitrous NOOBs in here. If your car is running well and you're spraying a 150 shot no problem.

LS1 would be HIGH 8's, 1/8 mid-high 13's 1/4


You should be low 8's, mid-high 12's

old z mzn

iTrader: (1)

nitrous will make it close. 2.73 in an ls1 not that much help. you win

86White_T/A305

2.73 with an ls1 is nothing special yes I agree.but having that pegleg is worse.if things were 100% on the your car having posi,decent tire with spray I would favor you for the win..but that wasnt the question.

danziger

If your bud's car is healthy, it is probably in the 13.5-13.9 range. I think even with your issues, you may have a chance on the bottle...

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

im a nitrous noob for sure btw. lol

86firebird350

An automatic 2.73 geared 4th gen is a very high 13 second car at best where I live. With your 150 shot i think you'll be able to take him if you don't blow the tires off. From about a 40 roll is where you'll have your best chance IMO given your 3.42's against his 2.73's.

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

Them there LS1's be runnin' faster in Texas. Just race him already and let us know

midias

So with a 350 swap and similar power to a LS1 how do our cars do against a LS1 version of the camaro or TA?

Thirdgen89GTA

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You answered your own question.

Same suspension in the back, similar weights. So as long as the power and torque curves are equal and the tires are equal they run about the same time. Thirdgens are slightly lighter on average than 4th gens. But I have seen 4th gens that weight less than my GTA as well. And they aren't stripped cars either. This is what makes an LS1 better. I'll use my LT1 for an example.

My LT1 swap has a Cold air intake, tune, headers, and full exhaust. Plus emissions delete. I also have 3.23's. I trap 103mph. My friend has a 2.73 posi LS1 Camaro automatic with Lid, LS6 intake, headers, cat-back. He traps 109mph.

Thats a 6mph difference.

What makes the LS1 better? Its camshaft is actually the same duration roughly as my B-body LT1. But the heads. The HEADS are where its at. An LS1 head will typically flow about 250cfm, later LS2 and LS3 heads flow near 300cfm, or in the case of the LS3 heads OVER 300cfm on the intake.

And these heads have similar port sizing, they aren't obnoxiously huge ports. So basically, to beat an LS1 you need to spend equal money to an LS1 swap on heads/cam/intake. Personally, as the LSx motors are here to stay, I'd rather just swap to one of them, they offer increased power, drivability, and fuel economy compared to LT1 or SBC motors.

I give you this video as an example, both full bolt-on LS1 vs Full bolt-on LT1.
http://www.youtube.com/user/timpeter.../4/7rRqCdYMMek

Now back to stock GTA + 150shot vs stock LS1? I'd say as long as you don't screw up the win will go to the thirdgen. An L98 puts out roughly 200hp to the wheels. Sometimes more. Add a 150 shot and you should see nearly 320-340rwhp. Plenty enough to beat a LS1 as long as you don't screw up.

midias

^ just curious I am thinking I will be between 350 and 400 with my vortec build. I was hoping with 3.73 gears and a T5 I could keep up with a ls1 TA

diehard92

my uncle has a TA 2000 bandit edtion ws6 ls1 with a tremick 6spd tranny and a procharger and i put a set of eatons posi 3.73 in it and she is running high 7s in a 1/8 right now with a bad clutch and a bad coil on the number 7 cylinder. and i have a 92 tune port 350 with posi tracktion 3.42 and i have put a msd coil and plugs and wires and a new timing chain in it this weekend and im going to put a t56 in it come the first of the year because i already know there is no why in h$$$ that the 350 with very little up grades can run down a Ls1 bro so dont go t5 go t56 it will give you a better gear ratio and different out come of you take off it you can nail the lonch lol good luck i will let you know how me and my uncles show down goes i mit be carrying a diaper bag because his car is no joke his beat some of the fastest crouch rocket and by a car link too now sh$$

midias

If you are talking to me I already have a T5 it came with my car. I also already have the 3.73 gears they also came with my car. The only part not factory is my 355

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

why would someone willingly run thier car with a bad coil at the racetrack? let alone at all...crazy IMO.

Guest

Hey no thread stealing.
yes, they said his car runs a 13.5x and is bones stop...not even a cat-back...
Ill also have new tires as well. car is an animal on the 150 shot, and I also have my fully ported SLP runners on as well (a bitch getting that never been touched stock tpi apart, had to use the sledge...)

Guest

[quote=fly89gta;4990499]With a 150 shot I think you'll have a chance. A stock auto, 2.73 car? Nothing special IMO, contrary to popular believe not every LS1 is a 12 second car....I'd say he's mid 13's?

quote]
yes thats exactly right.

-auto
-BONE stock
-2:73
-13.5x
-nothing special

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

Well with a 150 shot you might beat him. I think he still got's it though

Pab's

iTrader: (2)

Am I missing something here? Just run with the number's stock L98 225HP+150nos=375 and that's not including the possible 10-15HP his other mod's give him so your talking about:

L98=385HP to the crank -VS- 310HP LS1

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

You aren't missing anything. Other people are just being a little dim.

But you have put it down in a way that anyone with a basic understanding of math should be able to figure it out now.

Guest

we will race when i get some damn tire and the msd coil, and of course full gas tank, nitrous bottle and entry fee money.

Any body wanna loan me some money to see a TPI vs ls1 - buddy vs buddy gruge match?

midias

I can send $0.50 but you need to supply the stamp

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

I had one, I lost. Not that I expected to win. Full Bolt-on LS1 > Full Bolt-on LT1.

Guest

are you stupid or something? what possessed you to say something that dumb?

what are you talking about?

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

Is that clearer?

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

My 99 TA, auto, 2.73, bone stock save for an air filter ran 13.4's at 104 mph in summer air in PA.

They are slow off the line until 3200 rpm. I can floor it from a dead stop on street tires (275 size 17") and not spin until you start getting up in the 3200 rpm range...LS1's come alive in the mid band.

My L98 on street tires, 2800 stall, headers/catback, 2.77 gears, gutted air box, stock TPI went 13.89 at 97mph. LS1 would kill it after the 1/8 mile.

above L98 with 3.42's and slicks in cold air, went 13.63 at 97. Still get beat by LS1.

Above L98 with stealth ram, 13.46 in warm air, at 99-100mph. Now your hanging with LS1.

Above L98 with 1.6 rockers/more tuning, underdrive pullies, and drag wheels (70lbs lighter) -- 13.2's at 101-102 in cool air, 12.95 at 103.8 in ice cold air LS1 probably would have ran 13.2's in same conditions so L98 wins.


150 shot L98 with supporting bolt ons will destroy any stock LS1, be it 6 speed or auto. now a factory freak 6 speed on drag slicks/radials may have a good chance, as they can go mid high 12's but a 150 shot bolt on L98 should be trapping 110-112 mph depending. A 150 shot typically adds 10-15mph to whatever trap speeds you are running

Guest

I just to rub his face in it and.....BRAGGING RIGHTS AT THE SHOP!

We often hang out at our buddys shop, bragging rights are very important.

----AND! nobody knos that im on the 150....everybody thinks im still on the 100.

100 vs 150 night and day differences (also added full port SLP when I switched to the 150) teheheh. ;- )

Guest

yea, but I didnt come to loose....no knife to a gun fight for me.

midias

I thought it was right on par with you asking for track funds. But your fuse seems to be about as short as your disposable income.

Guest

No....gtfo dude....

midias

Case closed but I don't wanna argue I hope you win and get your bragging rights at the local shop.

Guest

I will, I didnt come to loose.....hes got another thing comen.

midias

Just make sure the bottles full or else he will want to race again. Not even joking seen a lot of people run out mid way through the night and even a few on the way to the track showing off. Nothing worse then running a second time and getting totally smoked because you ran out of go juice.

Guest

ill bring a FULL untouched bottle.
itll be back their cooken ; )

68Strat

iTrader: (3)

That's what she said

Good luck!

Guest

thanks man, well race in a few weeks.....

86White_T/A305

Fix that posi yet or is it peg legging this race when the time comes?Thats the major deciding factor imo.

Guest

Can you loan me some money?

Guest

Well guys I filled the rear which was realy low (pinoin leak) full tube of posi greese, still alil low then the cone shaped part of a gear fluid bottle 85-140 gear Fluid that also said posi gresse on it. I defly felt it being full...spins 1 tire but feels stronger, more solid and seams to hook alil better....may have been hot tire (did a burnout). all in all with a new tire and being at the track I feel it should do fine...I realy dont spray in first except at the top but by then I should be out by 60ft which should be all good.

-Did chirp second though...havent done that since last year...

aslo possible second nitrous bottle this weekend or next week.

BBCpoweredZ28

iTrader: (3)

Bone stock 305 ran a 7.94 not sure on mph in the 1/8. 700r4 305 open diff no tach and a 150 shot. You'll do fine. Have fun. Be safe. And post up

Guest

no 1/4 time?

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

Should change that to say "bone stock 305 w/150 shot."

Cause a sub 8 1/8th mile is impossible for any factory stock 305.

Guest

But it clearly says that though....

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

you have to read the mods at the end of the sentence, so its not as clear as it could be. When I first read it, I saw bone stock 305 goes 7.94. My bolt on LS1 only goes 8.1's so far... A 150 shot should be first thing mentioned

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

Thats how its read to me. On the 2nd time around I realized what was being said, but my first thought was that the statement was:

Guest

.....DAMN!!!!.....I.....WANT....THE...WIN...LIGHT....-,-AND....BRAGING...RIGHTS...ANOTHER....NOTCH....IN....BELT. LOSS........IS......UNEXCEPTABLE....

Thirdgen89GTA

iTrader: (5)

*fixed

Sorry, it was staring me in the face. Had to fix it.