dude a TBI 5 spd runs mid 15s stock if your TBI auto runs low 16/high 15s, a properly tuned TPI 5 spd should run a 14.7 stock but thats a properly tuned motor, something importsrsloths dont know much about, im sure he dont care unless it has "raceing 5 spokes" LMAO

 

I only listed my exterior mods becuase ANYONE can make a car go fast.... but not that many people can make one look bad @$$. Just take your firebird for example. I went to your website, and I hope your not talking about that red firebird TBI (LMAO... talking smack with a STOCK TBI). I wasnt ragging on window tint, just you claiming it was all stock and looked how a thirdgen SHOULD look. I think it is far from it. If you want to see what a Firebird should look like, go talk to a man named Scauffiel (he is pretty close to a perfect thirdgen) I live about as far away as you can get from a "ghetto" and its pretty close to kentucky. YOU ARE KILLING ME..... The only car of yours that is decent is the 85 trans am... and i havent even seen any pictures. Just quit talking...... your making yourself look like a dumb Shi*!!!!

 

Im preachin that Import man and onefine get it on w/ a pic show allowing the members of thirdgen to choose wich is the best overall!

 

so what do you say bad boys in bow ties you gonna get it on or what

 

no **** my 89 looks stock there smart guy, that was the object, notice how i say a third gen should look. Iam all game for a show of pics lets see what u have, ill go down to my storage facility today and take some digital pics, though i dont know how to post them someone else can for me if they want this to go down, lol dude ur ragity *** car dont even know, lol ill throw a few of my ta in there also......

 

Im sorry, I forgot that your Bad *** firebird was STOCK (lol, didnt know that was Bad *** ) but Peter if that keeps you hard stay with it. Just dont talk **** about how you stock (pretty much stock, thats all that counts ..... i know those 3.73 gears came on third gens lmao). I prefer the look of a cowl hood, nice rims, nice paint, I like window tint (but dont say its stock then), etc. Tastefull mods...... And like i said before, a rag dipped in turbo blue!

 

dude i never said my car was bad *** , i said it is one of the cleanest thirdgens i know and thats what a third gen should look like, i busted my *** to make that car the way it is between flawless paint jobs,WS.6 wheels all dealer parts ect.....the car is stock, there are no mods that would depriciate the car in that sence, i dont have headers, i dont have no aftermarket body panels i have the origional motor, 3.73s arent one of those mods that hurt the cars value like some might. The color is origional, the interior is origional, hell i even bought it from the origional owner. Its stock, i didnt even put an open element on. SO lets jsut end this BS involveing my car, that one is in a class of its own, if u want something to "online race" with do it with my trans am. Remember unlike some people i know that bird barely sees above 3000rpm and is never driven so theres no point in compareing something that doesnt get driven. I am to busy worrying about a rock possibly "chipping" my new paint or some ******* pulling out in fromt of me to worry about raceing punks in thier beat cars.

 

3.73 gears or headers, WTF is the difference????????????????????? Its not stock then. Man, I dont even think you know how to race a 5 speed..... you better hope your auto is a 350 tuned port or your just FUC*ED if we race. Im not going to talk sh*t about the TRANS AM because I think those are sweet looking cars, and I think your firebird is a piece.

 

lol ur heap of **** camaro could only dream to be as nice as my firebird.

BTW defference between headers and gears.........u can see headers moron

 

o ya and id shift so fast id make ur head spin.......

 

LOL this is great, I cant wait to figure out how to post pictures, cause your gonna **** your pants! The Iroc is a head turner.... Tell us about the Trans Am. Id rather have that Trans Am in gray red and blue primer, than have that TBI firebird!

 

Also, Good thing you never drive the firebird (what is it, a showcar? lmao) cause i hear those new civics run low 16's.... enough to lay the smack down on your TBI....and just imagine if the civic has a DC sport header.

 

let me put it to u like this, if u had a mint condition camaro and i had a beat to hell firebird my car would still be nicer, reason being ones a firebird and ones a camaro, dont think your car is anything special, everyone and thier grandmother mods a camaro, it takes a real man to deal with a firebird.......

BTW last i checked 5 spd TBIs ran mid 15s, with gearing and exahaust (something i already have) ill be right on ur *** the whole time. Thats assumeing ur car is in anykind of proper tune which i doubt it is.....

ok now i am done "online raceing" with your pathetic *** . You and your one in a thousand camaro can kiss my *** with your "raceing 5 spokes and ur gheto lowering kit. Sounds more like a brotha ride than a f body to me. Dude My WS.6 wheels and tires on my firebird are probably worth more than your whole car but thats besides the point.....im done with you

 

hey onefine im hoping that you get in your bird and fly the hell away but before you do lets see the show between you and import b/c import is sounding pretty serious btw fear the H exspecially if it is packing a dc header and a maxwell house can "Brutha"

 

i must say you are all losers,you are having a heated argument on the god damn internet. .You guys need to chill out and get some lives.half of this f.u.c.king post is you guys bitching to each other and it has solved nothing.

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1987 Trans AM GTA
305 5SPD
Hypertech airfoil
gutted maf
kn filter
High Flow Cat,
3"Walker pipe
Dynomax Super turbo Muffler
TB Coolant bypass

"Three of the scariest letters you will ever see GTA"
Take a good look you won't see em for long

 

hey stromshadowGTA how bout you just sit back drink some of your canadian pabst blue ribbon(86 octane) and chill out yourself. Alright now if onefine89 and import man want to get at it with the showing of there "fine automobiles" even if one is stock. I personally invite you to judge upon the quality of these two thirdgeners as they get it on in a picture show lord knows that they cant race b/c onefine cant get it out of hiding nor could it make it to ohio b/c he is a dumbass and bought a car thinking it had 50k on it and learning it had 250k on it plus 4.11 gears and a wild top speed of 67mph but maybe he could get a cb radio for his power antena so some truckers could guide him to ohio and allow him to watch out for those smokeys out on the road maybe if your lucky enough onefine will let you ride shotgun and you can stop at rest areas together while tweeking and tuning eachother you can also slave it out on the tbi. Dont worry about navigating rumor has it onefine is looking to add a "on star" system to make his stock thirdgen complete after all the on star can be put under the seat thus keeping the car stock

 

lol now i am being accused of a trailor trash thirdgen?? lol u guys must be kidding me. lol im all down for your little "pic show", if anyone really cares (which i doubt) let me know so i know who can post the pics for me. BTW the car has 59000 "origional owner" miles (something your junkyard third gen knows nothing about).

 

Man Im tired of getting in a bitc* fight with another thirdgenner. I still think the firebird is a pretty gay a$s example of a third gen at its best. I mean geez, who in their right mind is collecting firebirds (maybe trans am and GTA's) with a 305 (WHY DID YOU SPEND MONEY ON THIS CAR WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRANS AM???) Anyway, I want to hear about the trans am.... engine, auto 5spd, what kind of shape it is in????

 

Ok i dont mean to get into your little fight, but wtf, brotha ride? what are you one of those piece of $hit honkeys with a cb antenna and a confederate flag key chain? after saying that you perfectly fill the stereo type that everyone thinks when they think of third gen camaros, some white trash guy who hates everyone that isnt white. imo, completely stock cars show less character than those who actually do something to set them apart from the rest. i can see someone keeping a 69 camaro absolutely stock, their aren't many around and they are awesome, but even if you have a rare third gen, a 1le or something, that doesn't change the fact that they still produced trillions of third gens in the 80's and early 90's. maybe not your particular model, but there are so many around it will be damn near impossible to find a buyer that will care. personally, you wanna make fun of his racing 5 spokes? i say you see whose car corners better, and when he hands you your a$$ on a platter, you will know why he has those on his car. not to mention the fact that his car is lowered will only help his cornering abilities which, imo, lowered cars look far better than stock cars with 20 feet of wheel gap and 10 feet of clearance. sorry, dont get me started on white trash...

 

imports u just dont know, let me explain it to u like this. I started off with the firebird, it was origioanlly my fathers car and its th first thirdgen i fell in love with, i dont know what it was but somthing about that car seperates it self from others. The car has and always will hold a great deal of personal value to me as well as $$ value. When i officially took ownership of the car all driving the car stoped. I spent more money than i can think of on the car. I started offf with new ZR tires to go with my WS.6 wheels. and installed a new hi po clutch. After this i let it sit for a winter, stock piled parts over winter than the next year came around. I had the car repainted to origional color absolutely flawless, and had a 3.73 posi rear end installed in it. The only reason for the gears is to retain the stock look of the car but it would always be faster than the average TBI 305.i am not saying the car is a rocket but it goes for a TBI 305. I dont want to do anything else to the car, just somethign about the way it is i love about it. It has that stock apperance but u can tell its not all stock, does anyone know what i mean? Its the only one around me that looks like it does. Not to mention everypart along the way was bought from the dealer. As for your brotha comment......maybe ur getting the wrong idea of what i mean by brotha. around here the brotha thirdgens are the ones with the 13 inch wheels that stick out of the sides like 6 inches with little curb feelers on them with crome wheel well strips. I am the farthest thing from a trailor trash hick thirdgen. Believe it or not i went through a place called darells car audio of western NY and they built me a custom fitted subwoofer enclosure to house 2 10 inch woofers in a band pass bod, the system is powered by rockford fosgate and all voice speakers have been swaped out for blaupunkt equipment, same with the CD player. I am very fanaticy about my car to the point where i dont even drive it in the summer. SO lets get off this car am so funny to the point i dont want it even brought up in conversation unless its a specific question reguarding something.....

as for the trans am, that is my latest project car. i bought the car from my uncle with onle 33000 on it, i guess the car has been stored for the last 7 years and it was also from the origional owner. It has its fare share of flaws but it was acctually meant as a daily driver so my red car could sit but it dont seem to be working that way, i am slowly becomeing like am with the red car to this one. Its a 305 TPI auto with a dynomax high flow cat back and a high flow converter (catco) and the color is factory yellow. That was one of my favorite things about it, very unique.

now i was kool enough to be serious to you i would expect the same. ill refrace myself "its how a thirdgen firebird should look", i am still not doubting my car being nicer than yours but cmon man who really cares, its online and to be honest with youno picture ever does my car justice so we should drop it.

 

OK I hear ya, Im tired of talking some smack online...... But Im still gonna put the pictures on of the "Black Bandit" so everyone (except for you) will see that you were barking at the wrong Iroc.

PS My Iroc is the best looking IROC ive ever seen in real life (not online).... Also it won the best car in the parking lot award at school!

 

OHH YEAH I forgot, Your Yellow tran am with 30000 miles (is it a GTA) has got to be AWESOME looking, by the way, which one is faster???

 

This is just dumb. You shouldn't have posted this because you obviously don't know what the differences are on the Lo3 compared to the LB9. First we'll start off with what they DO have in common: Short block, waterpump, timing chain, roller lifters, rocker arms. I think that's about all they have in common. As for the heads, the Lo3 has the worst heads. Ever heard of the "swirl port" design? It basically blocks half of the intake port. The old school trick to make more power is to swap on TPI heads! Now about the cam, a bunch of TPI guys have the same cam as the Lo3 but the TPI always got the better cam like in 85. Now if you look at the intakes, the Lo3 has an aluminum piece that is retarded. If you ever look down into the intake you'll notice that it goes straight down with no increase in volume until it gets to the "level." Then it branchs off to the cylinders, this is terrible design. BTW: It's a lot cheaper to swap a better intake for TBI than it is for TPI ($200 carb vs. $$$$ for TPI). The reason why TPI usually gets the upper edge is because more of the performance guys have the TPI cars. That was the "best" offered that year and the people that bought the RS with the Lo3 were looking for looks THEN power. Now I don't know how many RS first owners we have here but I don't think there are too many. Most of us TBI guys got the cars in near stock condition, if you pick up a stock TPI car then you have something rare! This is my point: TPI, TBI, big ****ing deal! Both make power, just in a different way (torque vs. wet flow). Both have their pros and cons. If you think swapping on a TPI setup onto a 330hp motor is going to make more power than my current TBI setup, I'd like to see some proof.



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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

If you port and polish the manifold, runners, and plenum..... then spend as much money as you did on the TBI crap like manifold, etc....... Nevermind i just looked at your webpage and you put enough money into that TBI to buy a superram LOL LOL LOL WHHHYYY????? do not ever call another person dumb AGAIN. By the way, with the super ram, runners, and the accel manifold, all polished and ported, your 330HP engine will be pushing around 370 HP with a lot better looking engine with the polished TPI sitting on top!

 

I hate to egg things on and all but damn "pictures dont do my car any justice" come on are you serious I know for a fact that your car doesnt have bad facial expresions or anything maybe some hardcore bondo but unless it is a early 90's bird b/c those are looking pretty snarly as in ugly as hell im sorry but that is my opionion. Im just wondering if onefine has felt a little intimidation by a "punk thirdgen teen" so i guess the "troll is going back under the bridge" i think it is pretty sad when a beastly man like onefine who is so sure of himself backs down from a "ghetto rigged" thirgen exspecially one that is owned by a "trailor trash" "back yard mechanic" "who doesnt have a clue what the hell he is talking about" I just saying onefine is b*tch for dragging this sh*t on by sounding as if his garage kept bird could make a blind man see. But all im seeing is the fact that onefine it actually intimidated by a pun "daily driver" hell this daily driver been beat to hell. Btw hey oneyedjack dont be going to onefines web site remember you only got one good eye and i wouldnt want a fellow thirdgener turning blind b/c an ugly *** bird poked you eyes out stay true "bruthas"

 

why doesnt someone lock this?

 

importsrsloths is a fu$#ing pus$y thats all i have to say

 

LOL You must have a TBI, thats all i have to say lol

 

Ok so whats going on here???? I am gone for a few days and this is whats going on....Why is everyone fighting???? We are supposed to be here to help each other not fight and scream at each other.....Come on guys and lets all calm down......Oh and I am sorry if I afended anyone by posting this.....


Later,

I DRAG 2

 

lol hey i said i was all down for your little "pic show" or whatever u want to call it. I am not backing down from anything i just dont want to waste everyones time on here to listen to people bitch about nonsence. So like i said if anyone really cares (which i doubt) let me know so i know who can post pics for me.

imports, i appricate the intrest in my trans am, she is a real head turner. The car will get up and go, i have taken out a good amount of fox body 5.0 gt's and LX's in it but my TBI 5 spd car seems much more punchier, it must be the 3.73 VS the 3.27 rear in the TA. Or maybe the 5 spd VS the auto trans. who knows....BTW best car in the lot award isnt really an award, especally in a high school. o ya i hardly doubt i was barking at the wrong iroc.

 

Okay, ImportsRsloths,
You made the comment that anyone can make a car fast, but very few can make it look good. Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that a ***** comment. They are all about looking good, and don't care about being fast, or are at least totally ignorant of it anyways.

Second, I can't believe you are criticizing him for wanting to keep his car as stock looking as possible. I applaud this action. In world where it is next to impossible to find a nice, stock, low-mileage 3rd gen (TPI, TBI, whatever), this car is a stand out. Who cares if he wants to keep it. I would almost bet that he sure as hell isn't keeping to resell at a huge profit. He is keeping it for the sentimental and personal value to him. As far as your car being worth 10 times more, unless your car is made of solid gold, I don't think so. Besides, as third-genners, we shouldn't even be discussing value, because our cars really don't have much of one. If you want an investment, buy a mutual fund or stocks or a house or something.

BTW, what do you drive, Import(Rsloths)? At the first of this little discussion, you state that you don't want to flame the TBI'ers on the board, and now you jump at the chance. I have an LO3 (which I stated at the beginning of this thread, but since you've forgetten that you weren't flaming TBI people, you've probably forgotten that too) with some mild mods. I've beaten a couple of TPI cars here, so I think we might have a close race. If you feel the need to pick on some TBI's, why don't you come on over to Southern Indiana and pick on me or go to wherever JPrevost is and "regulate" on him. That challenge goes to Fatz too. And then, when we're done, we can have a contest based on looks too, cause I think that either one of us could hold our own on that front as well. BTW, this was not intended as a flame, so I won't respond to any childish posts about "yo mamma" or yo girl. This was issued as a friendly challenge. I don't talk smack or bench race either, so if you want to prove something, back it up with your track numbers or pics of your car.

(edited for punctuation errors)
Peace,
Chris
'92 RS

[This message has been edited by cbpldc (edited June 11, 2001).]

 

yea i got tbi but i also got a rebuilt 355 sitting in my garage waiting for july to be put in so suck my big ****

 

CPHDLCQRS, what the hell are you talking about, "you prolly drive an import" yeah it was imported from the chevy plant in norwood (about 30 miles from me) to a chevy dealer about 20 miles from me. AND dont talk .... about how with a few mods your tbi is tearing up the scene... LOL i bet your tbi is and auto too. Becuase I have a feeling that I have more mods.... Ported and polished plenum/runners (did them my self ) Installed LPE ceramic headers 3" with the LPE 3" highflow y pipe, highflow catco cat, and a hooker catback, plus i have brand new tires that grip like you wouldnt believe. Im guessing that you have only or around the "Ultimate TBI mods (LMAO!!!)" and a maybe some flowmasters either way, im pushing about 80 more horse than you.

 

Easy big fella,
If you slow down and read what is written, I wrote, "What do you drive Import". I was addressing you as Import, (instead of ImportsRsloths). I read your earlier posts in which you stated that you have a 305 TPI with a 5 speed. I notice that in your sig you only list appeatance mods, so I was merely inquiring as to what you had under the hood. No need to get defensive. Also, please read one of my earlier posts to this thread. It states that I have a 5-speed. Also, nowhere did I state that I had true-dual exhaust, so I don't have "flowmasterS"; I have a flowmaster. Also, if you will again read my earlier post to this thread, I listed my mods. Yes they are light, but they take it a step above your average TBI car. And the fact still remains that I have 2 305 TPI's under my belt. Although I'm not an avid street racer, and prefer to take it to the track. BTW, where is Amelia, OH? Are you closer to Dayton or Cincinnati? That isn't a far trip from Columbus, IN at all. The offer still stands to come up race. I sure hope that you are more respectful in person than you are over the web though. Please note AGAIN: Just a friendly invitation to race, not saying I'll beat you, but I may surprise you.

BTW, congrats on your best car in the lot award. I won that award when I had my old Mach1.

Chris
'92 RS
(edited for punctuation errors)

[This message has been edited by cbpldc (edited June 11, 2001).]

 

Also, I would like for you to point out where I said that my RS was "tearing up the scene". Not once have I spouted an ounce of BS to anyone on this board. Again, before you get your drawers in bunch, read, and then re-read to get you facts straight. I don't claim to be the biggest dog on the track and I know my car's limitations. That's why I don't make BS claims and talk down to other F-bod owners.
I'm not going to get into a BS match with anyone, just trying to calm things down a bit with a friendly invitation to race. If you need to, I'll even get you a place to stay. I always enjoy meeting other F-bod owners and seeing what they are doing to make thier cars faster.

 

so onefine im tired of hearing you and import b#tch to one another so have you decided on rather you are going to be a chicken **** or a real thirgener and accept a challenge from some punk kid who you obviously pound into the ground. So come on

 

Sure, I live about 10 minutes west of cincy. I would love to race you and just chat with another thirdgenner.... Ive reaced two TPI 350 L98's from my school and beat them both, just to warn you. Sh*t, if your paying.... anytime!!

 

We've got a little track called Bean Blossom just west of Columbus here. It's an 1/8 mile, so we should be pretty competitive (I Hope!). Just take I74 to Highway 9 (Shelbyville) and take 9 all the way to Columbus. Let me find out a little more about when a good time to race would be, and I'll get back with you, then we'll run about 2-3 times, just so we can get adjusted and then we'll have at it.

Chris

 

fats i am going to refer to my last post

your an instigator and a ****ing looser.

 

cbpldc,
I forgot about your ***** comment. WTF??? you think ricers look good.... Id go buy a civic then and slap that DGFUK Kombat Body Kit on then....By the way, ive only seen a few thirdgens that looked awesome, most of them do gay **** like chrome trim or something.... oh yea refer to Uncle Bens rice page (http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/3870/)I read in there that if your car has less than 200HP then your car is rice lol LONG LIVE TBI i know this a set in stone number but im just saying..... and Im not up for 1/8's, find a 1/4 mile track... I heard edgewater is GREAT!!

 

I refferd my self to your previous post and all i saw was the fact that you backed down then after getting ragged on you tried to cover up your vaginaness. Come on now the whole f*cking loser that is a little harsh i know i am a backyard greese monkey mechanic who lives in a trailor when not camping out under a bridge w/ my "butt buddie troll" import. Who i must say is almost as big of a ***** as you. Im thinking you are both little girls who are affraid to show your ****. I dont know if you guys have emailed eachother yet but I havent seen any post saying any details of the pic show. im thinking at Wed 4:00 pm you and Import post your pics on message board Apperance and Detailing stating the issue of who's car is better as far as performance and looks. How does this sound guys.... Hint to you two I suggest using photopoint.com Im going to say this right now It sounds as if the "Black Bandit" is pretty pissed and is going to "Ghetto" rape your as$ so bad you are going to need stiches skills

 

Sorry guys gotta lock this one......to much fighting going on. Sorry