i was hoping to get a 3rd gen muscle car... ive been saving up since i was 11 now 5 years later i have just over $14,000. i want to get either an grand national(the black one) or a 92 camaro but i do not know which to get... or what the tags (iroc,iroc-z,z28,rs...)mean. (i want a v8 manual, black, with a real bad *** look)im gonna do as my mods as i can afford) the fastest car i can get for my spendin limit... please email me or something... thanks...

liquidinferno
metalray_666@otmail.com

 

GNX turbo

 

Hey man, I was in your shoes about 6 monts ago except my limit was 4 grand. You say you want a bad *** looking car, based on jsut that don't get a Grand National, a nice Camaro will get much more attention.

Now you said you wanted a 92 Maro. In 92 they had the RS and a Z-28 (No IROC). The RS is a 5.0 TBI rated at 170HP nad 255TQ i think. If you want speed get a Z-28. Get a 5.7L TPI auto (no stick available). That makes 245HP and 340TQ I believe. That Z-28 will haul *** in even stock shape.

A low mileage, great condition stock 5.7L Z-28 will cost you around 8K maybe 9. That leaves you 5 or 6K to mod it, there is sooo much you can do to it with that money that an entire diff. post needed for that. To get you started get a complete tuneup and replace all the filters becasue without that all your mods will be wasted.

For 14K you can have an amsolutely amazing thirdgen. I have spend around 4K on my 86 Trans Am so far and its beginning to look very nice (minus a paintjob).

Hope that helps, be sure to post pics of your ride when you get it, go to the classifieds here and you might fins what youre looking for.

BTW A person name CarNDrvr is selling his 92 RS (I think) with a 355 putting out 500HP, you mihgt find him and think about buying his car. Maybe he'll psot a response to your post.

-Max

'86 TA 305 TPI 700R$ badly in need of Restoration $$$

 

Woo Hoo! With $14,000 dollars you can build an awesom third gen or buy an awesome Grand National. It all depends on what you want. The Grand National is not as common as a Camaro, but I wouldn't think that it would be a good first car. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that because it is fast. You could buy an awesome third gen for under 7 Gs. That would leave you 7 to do just about anything you want. If you are looking for a fast car, you definately want to start with a car that has a 350. You could probably build a hot 406 smallblock up and then go forced induction. I think it's great that you have been saving for 5 years to get what you want. After all that saving don't get foolish with a fast car, just treat it right and don't kill yourself.

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'87 Silverado
350 4 bolt main bore .040 over
TB Injected
Ported and Polished heads
Comp cams 268h cam and top end
Flowtech headers
3.73s on Detroit locker

 

If you got 14K to spend, you can get an LS1 car at a dealers auction. Assuming you know one.
But if you want a 3rdGen, look for the best appearace package. You should be able to get a minty specimen for under 3 grand, if you don't care about the engine(V6,V8,TPI,TBI)and you shouln't.
With 11-12 grand left over you can buy a crate motor, tranny and a rear-end to handle it.
Depending on the motor you choose, you should still have a few grand left over.
You can always get a really nice 350 or 305TPI 3rdGen and throw a supercharger on it.
With that kinda budget, you have many choices, me lad. Do a lot of research and good luck.

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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear, Dealer:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(46), Harwood fiberglass hood,original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch.
1999 Lexus GS 400 everyday car(It's a V8 so its not Rice)
1987 Voyager Minivan. Cost me $300=runs like new.No repairs for over 2 years(fingers crossed)
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html

 

why doesnt someone refer him to carndrvr. 350 with 500 horsepower and a 6 speed. i forgot what year, but it is tight. he'd take 14,000 for it. hell its got nitrous. if you are interested, he just made a post on i think the appearance form. later

 

I am in your position right now but I only have 4 grand. I would think a Grand National would get a good bit more attention that a third gen Camaro, being as they are a lot more rare. There were no IROC Camaros made in 1992. They quit making IROC's in 1990. The fastest Camaro in 92 is a Z28, and they can be had with a 350 TPI auto(245 HP) A 305 TPI auto(230 HP I think), or a 305 TPI 5 speed(230 HP). A Grand National is probably gonna be more expensive than a 92 Camaro. Grand Nationals are faster though, and can be made even faster for pretty cheap. I dont know if a Grand National would make a very good first car though.. Especially if you have a lot of snow during winters. Road salt can kill Grand Nationals(and all G-Bodies, for that matter) For 14 grand I would probably look for a used LT1 or LS1 fourth gen Camaro. They will be more reliable in all likelyhood, and faster than the 92 Camaro, and about the same or a little faster than the Grand National. 1993-1997 were LT1 models, and had somewhere between 290-305 HP, not sure there. 1998 and up are LS1 engines, and they have 305-325 HP, depending on whether you get the Z28 or Z28 SS.

 

well im down to 4 choices...




Year: 1985
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $8,500
Mileage: ------- km
Date Posted: 7/5/01
Ad Type: Private

VERY FAST IROC Z28
Comment: 5.7L, 5 spd., 92 eng., 98 leather seats off a Trans Am, bright red, black int., mint cond., 17" rims, exhaust, emission tested, needs nothing to cert., fresh paint, stereo system, very fast and lots more. Runs like new. $8,500 o.b.o. (416)717-1684. (SKYPN)





Year: 1991
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $7,500
Mileage: 170,000 km
Date Posted: 7/5/01
Ad Type: Private
Comment: 5.0L, auto., black with grey interior, lots of new parts. 170,000 km. Selling cert. & EMS. 170,000 km. $7500 or b.o. (416)236-4883 or (416)892-6304. (SRKZG)





Year: 1987
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $9,000
Mileage: ------- km
Date Posted: 7/5/01
Ad Type: Private
Comment: One of 1700 L-98's built. Fully loaded, leather, freshly built motor, 355 TPI, new brakes, tires, exhst., gear 3:70. Tons of perf. parts. Everything new. Orig. paint, looks great, extremely clean. Over $19,000 spent. receipts to prove. No reasonable offer refused. Must sell. Cert., emissions. $9,000. or b.o. Tom (905)607-1035. (SLCKZ)

Year: 1985
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $4,995
Mileage: ------- km
Date Posted: 7/5/01
Ad Type: Private

MORE POWER
Comment: 2 dr., V8, 5 spd., black, 350 eng., T-roofs, mag wheels, new 3" pipe, exhaust, alum. rims, new tires, BF Goodrich TA, 255-60-15, new paint, mint, must see, headers, alum. intake, racing clutch. $4995 or b.o. Call Sam or leave a msg. (905)850-1752 or pager (416)778-3643. (SPYPJ)


please tell me which to get...
i would like to get a 92 z28 350 but cant find one... and whats this about a 500hp camaro? where can i get that? but the thing is nos is illegal in ontario so i dunno what to do with that...

 

Year: 1992
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $8,700
Mileage: 140,000 km
Date Posted: 7/6/01
Ad Type: Private
Comment: 25th Anniversary. 305, Black ext. Grey int., Featuring T-Tops, pw, pb, pdl, air, tilt, cruise, etc., Never winter driven. Brand new Yokahoma Tires, smooth drive. 140K. 140,000 km. $8700.Cert., Negotable, (519)641-6229. (SHHHC)

or this one...

 

with whatever is left over in money ill prolly redo the interior.. and put in a massive sound system... prolly take out the back seats for more speaker room...

 

Personally, I'd get the IROC for 2 reasons: It has a 350 and I like the styling of the IROC's the best (personal choice). If you get a 305 powered car, you will regret it. Not that you can't make a 305 fast, there are plenty of fast 305's on this board, but it's just plain easier w/ a 350. Also, the IROC has fresh paint so you can spend your money modding the engine (trust me, the modding bug WILL get you) and you won't have to worry about the exterior looking worn out for years.

 

No doubt dude. If you arent a die hard 3rd gen fan, you can live without a car that says IROC on the side. I sure wish i had one just for the name, but BUckeyROc is totally right about the 350 thing. It is just easier to make a 350 fast and if you have that much money to play with, there is no reason other than gas mileage that you would buy a 305. You can take the NOS off CarNDriver's car. Here is the link to his post: https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/002615.html
you should seriously consider buying this to help one of us true 3rd genners out.

 

pontiac gta

 

I love camaros, but with $14000 to spend, i'd buy a Monte Carlo SS, drop in a ZZ4, a T-56, and bolt on a 4" cowl hood. That would be too sweet!!

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1985 305 Z28
White w/ Grey ground effects
Red interior
K&N Chrome Element and Filter
Flowmaster 80 series muffler
Chrome Edelbrock Valve Covers

 

if i had 14,000 i would get a 69 camaro ss with a 396 and 4 on the floor. or a 67 malibu ss. somethin cool. another cool idea would be buy a 3rd gen camaro with a nice body and a shot motor (i went this route, just not 14,000 worth), i got mine for $400, and make it all high performance. ****, if you can pick an iroc up for less than $1000, drop a ramjet 350 in, T-56, some nice 4.11 gears, get some leather 4th gen seats, thatd be a nice ride and you still would be way under your 14,000 mark.

 

Hrm... $14,000 Canadian... damn ... thats like a 2002 SS or WS6 close to fully loaded in the states

I say get what best suits you... see if you can't test drive a few of them even if they are private sellers... then pick the one that feels best to you ...

I personally would choose this one:
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Year: 1985
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Price: $8,500
Mileage: ------- km
Date Posted: 7/5/01
Ad Type: Private
VERY FAST IROC Z28
Comment: 5.7L, 5 spd., 92 eng., 98 leather seats off a Trans Am, bright red, black int., mint cond., 17" rims, exhaust, emission tested, needs nothing to cert., fresh paint, stereo system, very fast and lots more. Runs like new. $8,500 o.b.o. (416)717-1684. (SKYPN)
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350, 5 speed, leather seats... that one looks like your best bet and theres always plenty of room for modifying it to your liking

[This message has been edited by Demon Z28 (edited July 08, 2001).]

 

if you want the speed of a grand national and the look of a third gen, get yourself a 89 turbo trans am, if you can find one , but since it sounds like you want a camaro, if youve got the cash, go for a iroc, 89 or 90. you could find a nice one and still have $$ left for mods

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Trent
---Car---
89 Firebird
305 L03 TBI A4
t-tops

---Stero---
Pioneer DEH-P730 Premium
Infinity 2way 4652 4x6's
Pioneer 4way ts-a6985 6x9's
2 pioneer 12" ts-w303c subs (selling if anyone wants em email me)

Futureim undecided about amps, undecided, and a pioneer cdx-p1270 12 disk cd changer

 

find a Turbo Trans Am. They look cool and are fast as crap.

 

So you want a third gen or grand national, and you wan't a fast one. If your talking about stock, the grand national will destroy any stock 350 made in the third gen. The grand national might not be so flashy, but all it needs is black outs to look mean as hell. With that kind of money your talking about, you can get a pretty nice grand national or 89' TTA. But then again your only what, 16. I would recomend getting a beater camaro with a 305 just to get used of a somewhat quick car, before you go and hurt yourself in a car thats to fast for your driving ability. I'm not trying to bash you man,and no I don;t know how much driving experience you have, but my first car was a 80 t/a, and I pretty much destroyed it. At the time the car was just too much for me too handle as a new driver, and I couldn't seem to get the gas pedal off the floor. Be carefull.

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"keeping rice burners in the rearview"

 

I will let my TTA go for 12K. Let me know.

Pete

 

well i just want to beat all those damn imports and show em that muscle beats rice any day of the week...

 

from experience, dont go out racing ricers your first day with the car. im 16, ive had my bird for like 3-4 months, the firstday i had it, i was out driving after school (bald tires) it started to poor, i couldnt even see, so i turned into a little shopping center and spun out hit the median and the bird lay there on top of a tree. just get used to you kick *** car before u go crazy with it

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Trent
---Car---
89 Firebird
305 L03 TBI A4
t-tops

---Stero---
Pioneer DEH-P730 Premium
Infinity 2way 4652 4x6's
Pioneer 4way ts-a6985 6x9's
2 pioneer 12" ts-w303c subs (selling if anyone wants em email me)

Future:im undecided about amps, and a pioneer cdx-p1270 12 disk cd changer

 

If you want to actually race anyone else get a Camaro. No one will want to race against a GN. Everyone thinks they run 11s stock so you can forget coaxing a race out of anyone with one. I don't even bother with stock looking GNs anymore and I have beaten a few a the track before.

Forget the Carbed cars, forget the 5 speed cars, forget the 305 cars. Why? The carb is a dinosaur stay with F.I. only, the 5 speed will break if you get traction with more than 330 HP to the ground and the 305 has a very small bore which makes it very hard to get it to breathe well NA(plus a 100 more reasons why I don't like 305s) #1 Be patient. If you want a 92 wait for one. I would not get an F-body older than an 1988. All RSs are slow and expensive to make fast. For 88-90 go with an IROC-Z & 91-92 Z-28 350TPI only. If you want a stick shift get a T56 6 Speed from a 4th Gen. and have a good shop put it in for you. Have the engine rebuilt with some good forged pistons. Get a 9 to 12 PSI Intercooled Pro Charger. ...and there you have it -Stick shift 6 speed behind a 500 HP motor. Have fun and drive safely.

Here is a look at my 89 IROC-Z
http://www.nbizz.com/ezarre/upload/89irocz.jpg


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89 IROC-Z 5.7L 2.77 GEARS
130,000 MILES
ALL FREE MODS
K&Ns FILTERS
FLOWMASTER MUFFLER
PERFORMANCE RESOURCE CHIP
AFPR & PORTED PLENUM
Best 1/4 E.T. 14.09 @ 97.2 MPH
Best 1/8 E.T. 9.09 @ 77.4 MPH
Best 60ft. 2.03

 

You can get a lot of used 1993-1996 Camaro/Firebird models real cheap. Trouble is, the people who own them run them into the ground, mileage wise. The 93-97 LT1 350 had 275hp, then got bumped up to 285 in 96??. The WS6 Ram Air gives you 305hp.

 

Or what about this? Buy a Volvo 240 estate with a diesel badge on the back and put a blown 502 in there. Everyone will think that you are such a sensible young man except for those that know you.

If you go for a thirdgen go for an IROC, the handling is excellent. And with the money left over you can get some serrious mods like a blower. Remember, every guy likes to be blown, at least I do.

 

I have a 96 WS6 Formula with 41,000 miles and is like new. They only made 524. I took it to the track a couple of time and ran 13.5 at 105MPH. It has a couple of bolt on like B&B TriFlow exhaust, 373 gears, frame ties, 160 t stat, air foil, K&N and HPP3 for the gears and T stat. I just put 4 new BFG's on it. The oil and filter has always been changed with Mobil 1. Everthing on the car works and needs nothing. I would let it go for $12,500.00. Both my car are garaged and not driven in rain or snow. I don't me ever as I got caught out a couple of times and it started raining. I also have a 87 IROC but it is not for sale. I purchased it new in 87. It has a Lingenfelter motor and runs 12.9 at 110 MPH. It will be in the mid to low 11. come track opening. If you are interested in the WS6 I will post my web site.