Mark A Shields

I heard these cars are quick and was wondering what they do in the 1/4. There is one here at college.

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'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

maksik7

Depends on year prolly. Those cars are pretty heavy (close to 4000lbs on the AWD models). I would guess anywhere from high 13's to mid 14's.

Cruz'N Bruz'R

"Do not" underestimate these machines.
The TT AWD models are between 320-330 horse and could probably spank any regular stock car. Not only have I lost to one ,but I've driven a couple and they go FAAASSST. The AWD sucks though, you don't get that seat of the pants feel like RWD. OH yeah, they turbo lag is horrendous, slow off the line but when they get going, look out.

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87 IROC Z
70' 350(400HP)
5 Speed
Flowmaster Exhaust

85transamtpi

Unfortunetly for us, if anyone driving one of those things buys a turbo timer, and has disregard for the amount of boost they are putting into their engine, they are way too fast. More like low 13's with traction, and turbo lag is minimal with the timer.

JJ

They are not slow off the line if launched right - that's what AWD is for (i.e. no spin and gone). They do slow down as they get on the top end due to the parasitic nature of AWD. Look at stock time slips, fast ET compared to their MPH due to launching ability. But, as with any turbo car you never know if it is a 14sec or 12sec car.

ChillPhatCat

The specs given by the manufacturer indicate that the AWD models are both heavier and slower than the RWD models...

HrdRockA4305

Yeah, those are one of those cars that can launch at 5k under full boost and hook perfectly... I'll bet on the open road though the weight and AWD drag works against them, but for "stoplight races" those things are quick. My neighbor used to have a pretty nice on, lemmie tell ya puts my car to shame BAD but look at what i've got under the hood...

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88 Camaro (The mighty LO3 SC!)
305TBI/700R4/2.73/123,XXX miles
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

JJ

There were no AWD TT stealths produced. The non turbo stealths were FWD I think . . .

DuffMan

iTrader: (1)

Yes, there were AWD TTs produced. The problem these faced were that they were no where near as nice as their brother, the 3KGT, but still pretty much as quick. Also, there is no visible difference between a R/T Stealth and a R/T Stealth TT. Also, if it was not turbo'ed, it was FWD, never RWD like the ZX, Supra, and RX-7 (Other Jap supercars).

ALso, a turbo timer is used to keep the engine idling after you turn off the car for a certain amount of time to keep oil circulating to prevent coking in the turbo bell housing, and turbine. A BOOST TIMER/CONTROLLER is what everyone was referring to (controlling boost variably). Dual-boost was the best, as you set 2 settings - better than climbing out of the car and playing with the wastegate.

(I used to be into imports and was about to buy a 6-speed Stealth until I learned about the horrors of the Getrag tranny) :-)


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1987 Camaro IROC-Z/Z28
305 TPI - 5-speed
Full Competition Kenwood System
Duff Man says, "Oh Yea!"

JJ

oops, I meant to say that ALL TT were AWD only for both the stealth and 3000GT. Non-turbo were FWD only for both . . .

JJ

Also, there is an appearance difference between the R/T and TT R/T. The R/T has two exhaust tips exiting on one side where the TT has two exhaust tips in the location of duals (exiting on each side).

ChillPhatCat

Are we talking about the Dodge stealth, audi TT or what? the stealth came with AWD and RWD I think... or maybe it is the 3000GT I was thinking about... I though we were talking about stealth Turbos...
Edit: or was that the Supra? I'm all confused now... gonna go to sleep now.

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited September 20, 2001).]

Stormshadow GTA

dodge stealth and mitz 3000gt are the exact same car.dodge imported them and changed the badging

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1987 Trans AM GTA
305 5SPD
Hypertech airfoil
gutted maf
kn filter
High Flow Cat,
3"Walker pipe
Dynomax Super turbo Muffler
TB Coolant bypass
Lubricated by Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic

Violate 3.8

WTF are you talking about man. You can spool up the turbo and launch under full boost at 5000 rpm's . That will pull 1.6 60's all day. If that isn't SOTP acceleration I don't know what is. Don't talk about $hit you dont know anything about.


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Buick Regal
bone stock

85transamtpi

My mistake...Boost controller. My buddy used to have a VR4 and it was fast before he put that on. After that...no kidding about those 1.6 60' times. They rocket off like there's no tomorrow by dumping the clutch.
Watch out for these...but most on the road are SL's and we can beat their @sses all day long.
Peace

Cruz'N Bruz'R

ForcedInduction

This one boneheaded statement undid all of the otherwise factual information in the rest of your post. Pay attention. The 3000GT and the Stealth are the same damn car. I defy you to identify which car you are in (other than the logo on the steering wheel). The difference comes down to styling - nothing more. And the Stealth TT is not "pretty much as quick" as the VR4, it is EXACTLY the same. Get your facts straight before you post a bunch of misinformation.

Also, there are visual differences between the TT and the normally aspirated R/T. The TT has exhaust exits on both sides, it has 17" vs 16" wheels, and it says "Twin Turbo" on the doors. Also, it says AWD DOHC on the 1/4 windows.



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'01 Regal GS
'00 Lightning - 13.110@105.91
'92 Stealth Turbo - 13.4@103
'01 GSX-R1000
'01 CR250R

IROCZZ3

Don't underestimate these cars. Just like any turbo car they respond well to a little more boost and fuel. Personally I like the Stealths better than the 3000GT...they look a lot cleaner without all the ground effects.

Check out my friend's business/webpage:
www.dynamicracing1.com

The beige one is running 11s at over 3000 ft with bolt ons!

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1989 IROC-Z, ZZ3 shortblock with some bolt-ons.
13.20 @ 108.69, 2.2 60'

Violate 3.8

Actually a$$hole, I got the pleasure of riding along in vortecfcar's car this summer. He wound out 3rd gear from a stop, and thats a car that traps 117. Another friend of mine has a AWD turbo talon. He can launch under full boost at 5 g's and obliterate pretty much anyone off the line, including either one of your cars. Fu(k off a$$hole. Just because I drive a Regal that runs 15's doesn't mean I haven't been in my fair share of 12 second cars.

(I had to edit because cruzinloser's quote didnt work)



[This message has been edited by Violate 3.8 (edited October 01, 2001).]

Violate 3.8

Are these good enough examples moron.

1MeanZ

iTrader: (9)

nothing can compete with an awd vehicle on launch if they launch under boost. lots of guys are morons and just laucnch off idle and they have no power down there. i drove a turbo AWD talon yesterday and it has turbo lag pretty bad but man when it spools up, hang on! all of you morons that think these cars are slow should shut your mouths. if you don't believe me go race one, you'll understand. personally i like the torque and throttle response of a big N/A motor. but there are alot of venomous little turbo cars out there.

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86 IROC
43,000 miles
305/700R4/3.23 gears
maroon, gold stickers, black interior, T-Tops.

current mods.
shift kit
headers
cat back exhaust

mods planned for this winter
cam
3.73 gears
subframe connecters

Ray87Z

What idiot thinks AWD cars don't launch hard??? You'd have to go with full out slicks to launch as hard with a RWD car. You have to be mean to your clutch/tranny though or you'll bog. Maybe that's what you meant. But a 4500-5000 rpm launch with no tirespin will out 60' any RWD car on street tires with ease.

On average a TT Stealth or VR4 will run around a high 13/14.0. If you baby it too much you can get up into the 14s a ways. That's not the best it can do though. They weigh around 3800lbs or so. The VR4 has a couple things the Stealth lacks. Like the aero-adjustable spoilers. The Stealth lacks these. I also don't think the Stealth has the all wheel steering that the VR4 does. Also, the VR4 had an adjustable restriction exhaust, don't think the Stealth had that. Other than that though the drivetrain as far as real features and power/drivetrain setup they are identical.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

HrdRockA4305

"I also don't think the Stealth has the all wheel steering that the VR4 does. Also, the VR4 had an adjustable restriction exhaust, don't think the Stealth had that. Other than that though the drivetrain as far as real features and power/drivetrain setup they are identical."

Actually the stealth does have the adjustable exhaust and AWS. My neighbor had a black 92 stealth R/T, me n his son took if for a ride one day and OMG.... that thing was sweet. Very fast, actually the fastest thing i'd ever been in at the time ( i was 16) and its still in my top 5 probably.

I've also seen a 3kGT run 13.5-13.7 with just a boost controller and nothing else.



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88 Camaro (The mighty LO3 SC!)
305TBI/700R4/2.73/123,XXX miles
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

ForcedInduction

To clarify the differences between the Stealth TT and the 3000GT VR4: The 1st gen cars ('91-'93) differed (other than bolt/glue-on exterior cosmetics) only in that the VR4 had active aero. Both the Stealth TT and the 3KGT VR4 had AWS, adjustable noise exhaust, and adjustable suspension. Both cars were decontented as the years passed. Eventually, most of the hokey useless gizmos (active aero, AWS, adjustable exhaust) were no longer offered on either car.

Launched aggresively, the Stealth TT/VR4 will pull 1.7 second 60 ft times. A RWD/FWD car is probably going to need slicks/DRs to get off the line as quickly. The Stealth/VR4 are heavy and suffer substantial drivetrain losses due to the AWD, so trap speeds are relatively low. The 300 hp models typically dyno at around 220 to the wheels. Your best chance racing one of this is from a very slow roll, where the Stealth is off-boost.

All bets are off once minor mods have been installed. I have a friend that ran a 12.17 in a '93 RT/TT with exhaust/boost/fuel system mods and stock turbos.

88blkiroc

I have never been in an AWD Stealth or 3KGT, but i have driven my sisters 92 AWD TSI Talon. Unfortunitly its a auto so i cant really build boost before i launch (i try to stand on the brakes and build some boost but it doesnt really work well, it needs a higher stall TC). the car is a dog off the line but the boost builds quickly, to about 14psi on the stock gauge (im assuming that gauge is wrong though). once that car gets into its sweet spot it is very quick. im sure it could pull a mid 14 in the 1/4. Fortunitly my sister isnt into modding her car or id be worried about having the fastest car in the family. ah well, thats why i have my HP in a bottle, just incase now to worry about my moms GTP. the borla just arrived for it and..........

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1988 IROC-Z L98
License Plate: STG KLR 1
Engine Mods:
Edlebrock TES Headers, Hypertech Chip, Flowmaster Muffler, Intake Airfoil, AFPR, MSD-6A, MSD Blaster 2 GM Coil, bored .030 over.
Nitrous System:
NOS Plate Kit, 100hp shot.
Suspension Mods:
Lakewood Traction Action Lift Bars, Hal Rear Shocks
Trans Mods:
2,500 stall converter, Redline clutches,Heavy Duty Steels, Trans-Go reprograming kit , Heavy Duty 2-4 band, Corvette Servo, B&M Mega Shifter
ET: 13.833@99.30 N/A

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