Have you ever heard of satirical humor? See that’s the only thing us old paralyzed women that drive automatics can fight back with. For those that do not know me, I never drink when driving and I don’t smoke. Also at 37 years of age,,, I have not molested a girl under the age of 18 for over 20 years. For you short bus morons that can’t figure out that statement – if I’m 37,, and you subtract 20 from it,, that means I was 17 when I was molesting the girl under the age of 18 – get it? Also, I own a car I could literally run the quarter in, make the first turn past the finish line and wave at you from the return road. All before you stopped your side of the clocks in your 14 second car – and there is no sarcasm in that statement – that is a fact. So,, act like you have some sense about you or we'll have to meet for "lunch" the next time I'm in the Chi-town area, if you smell what the roc is cooking.

 

I prefer an auto for what I do which is drag race. I find it easier to launch with an auto than a manual too much wheel spin with manual the majority of the time. You can't screw up with an auto which is another big plus. If I did auto X more often with my car I would go with a manual but to be honest with you my 700R4 works fine for downshifting around the corners. I loose a little bit around the corners against the 5 speeds but once I hit a striaght away (especially 1/2 mile I love those ) I usually tear em a new ******* and it would usually take them 5 turns right after eachother to make up with what they just lost on the straight away. Its all personal preference. I also like being able to drink my coffie while I am driving or have a smoke or have my arm around a girl. My little POS VW Jetta was a 5 speed and I HATED long drives in that thing. Especially stuck in traffic jams FIRST SECOND FIRST SECOND FIRST SECOND FIRST.. FIRST SECOND MAKE KARSTEN GO CRAZY!!! It really gets on your nerves after a while I found. Mind you it still was fun as hell when I decided to screw around in my car flying aroundn corners and stuff. But that all ended when I rolled my Jetta around an S bend

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Karsten
86 IROC-ZZ4... too much to list.

 

Completely agree.

 

The above sums my opinion up pretty well also. I personally could never drive an auto... only if for some odd reason I went completely against my roots and moved to a BIG city. I don't think people are sissies for driving autos, but it really bugs me when the only explanation someone offers is "it's too distracting" or "why would I do that? I hate driving" If someone were to say, it's very consistent and great for the strip, or I live in the city or I don't have a left foot... etc. you get the idea.

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1984 Firebird - Daily driver, 305 LG4, 3.23 rear, T5 - Hurst short shifter, Edelbrock 600 CFM 1406 carb, Performer intake - Edelbrock Pro-Flow air filter, gutted cat, IROC 16x8 5 Spoke Wheels, AIWA bargain basement (from Sears of course) CD player, Eight-ball shift ****
Check out my ride here

"IT'S SNOWING! TO THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT!" - The Mustang and Firebird face off in the dead of winter.

 

My old 87 305/5spd could smoke a 350/auto!
If you can shift could 9and launch) you get a lot more respect from people at the track!

 

Actually, the 4th gen 6spd. is only faster because it has 3.42 gears, the autos come with 2.73s. It's not the trannies fault, the gears are the difference.


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"Putting any amount of money into a RICE BURNER is like wiping your a$$ with a turd. "
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Because you have the best of both worlds, the accuracy of the automatic without missing a gear and losing time pushing in a clutch.



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"Putting any amount of money into a RICE BURNER is like wiping your a$$ with a turd. "
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Blah, blah, blah, jeez so many posts, I got so bored I skipped a good 60% of them. Overused opinions and overused quotes. If you're racing a stick car, and he loses position due to his shifting. Then you're not racing a hard core stick shift driver. Because if you were, then the stick shifter would never take his foot off the gas once, for a drag. So if he does let his foot off to shift, than well he doesn't believe your car is worth screwing up his tranny.

 

YEA well answer this:

WHY IS THE QUICKEST andFASTEST factory 3rd gen an AUTO. and yes they built one with a manual and it was slower.

 

And I hope you're referring to the TTA.



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"Putting any amount of money into a RICE BURNER is like wiping your a$$ with a turd. "
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

shrp... how about you back up this "info" with some solid numbers... I haven't heard anything about the TTA's having a 5 speed...

The reason they used an auto in the TTA is because the 700r4 is a much beefier tranny than the T-5.

What we lose during a shift, we make up with good timing plus some... just gotta chill people.

 

1 prototype car was built with a manual transmission, I know this because I ve seen a letter from PAS to my friend who owns the ONLY convertible TTA and the only Digital dash prototype. It had durability issues as well as being slower because of the boost loss between shifts.

ALSO, FYI, the TTA came with a 2004R transmission.

 

Really I thought they stopped using that tranny in the early 80's.


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"Putting any amount of money into a RICE BURNER is like wiping your a$$ with a turd. "
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

no they used the 200r4 in the TTA. and the reason they didnt use the 5-speed is because of the extreme loss off turbo while shifting. talk to some of the TTA owners on here like Kyle F

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1995 Camaro
3.4 with 4L60E
Stock...for now

Currently being redone:

1988 Camaro
2.8 with T5
threw a rod...
Soon to have a 350 TPI out of an '85 vette...
http://www.nothingssafe.com

 

I'm thinking the 200 was used in the Grand Nationals too....

 

UHHHHHHHHH..youre talking to one!!!

AND yes same one they used in the GN/T-types

 

They stopped using the 200C. The 200-4R is a different animal.

 

Umm, cuz back then they didn't make a manual tranny that could handle 350 power. Only auto could handle it, they could've made a better manual tranny, but remember these cars are supposed to be affordable while being on budget.

 

NOPE the answer is, the auto was faster and more reliable.

Phil

 

well the 2004r was used in MANY "G" body V8 and V6 cars. the main differ is the valve body and the case.



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1989 20th Anniv Turbo Trans Am
minor bolt on upgrades
12.90 @ 110 on REAL radials and street trim.

 

Both trannies do have there good and bad points. I have test driven many cars in both auto and stick form. Here's a breakdown:

Sticks: Good:1.Definately a fun factor and contrary to poular belief, you can easily smoke a cigarette, drink, eat, make a phone call, fondle your girlfried and shift all at the same time. It's amazing what you can make your body capable of doing after awhile driving stick.2. Stock for Stock, sticks always run faster. This is true of every evenly set up stock car I have ever driven.3. Better overall control and usually a slight edge in fuel economy (auto's are quickly catching up though).

Sticks: Bad: 1.Usually more problematic in terms of reliability when driven hard.2. Much harder on rearends etc and cannot handle as much power due to the preloading advantage an auto has.3. Not as consistant at the drag strip. 4. At time's, they can be a hassle in traffic.

Auto: Good: 1.Can handle more power due to the preloading effect and cause less wear on your drivetrain. 2.A properly set up auto can be just as fun as a stick (well, close). 3.No bother in traffic. 4. Much more consistant at the track.

Bad:1. See funfactor.2. Usually less fuel efficient. 3. Less control and not suited for autox etc. Stock for Stock behind the same motor, they are usually slower.

There are definately advantages to both. Stock for stock in 3rd gens, like most cars really doesn't mean much, cause most are no longer stock. Many of the sticks advantages from the factory unfortunately dissapear quickly and can become a serious dissadvantage depending on how you drive (track/strip). This will always be an ongoing battle cause it seems stick guys get a kick out of breaking auto guys *****, but the fact is that either car can be just as potent and have serious advantages over eachother depending on there use.

 

As a response to an earlier comment, I dont have to hit my brakes to kick up some badass smoke. My auto tranny does me well. My friends has a stick, i love to drive it in wide open spaces, but when i race or drive around the city, its auto all the way. Cant we just all get along for christ's sake we got the same cars here. shouldnt we be making fun of f*rds and posting kills? LETS JUST ALL GET ALONG

 

T5- I can pick up with one hand
TH700R4- I gotta use both

(too bad T5s are so weak)