The cobra R made 385hp and I haven't heard of them going any faster than 12.8...

It will definatly take a few mods for the LS1 to beat the 03 cobra though, SOME LS1's can get into the 12's but most are mid 13s.
and it will be insanely easy to boost hp on those cobras.

If ford has worked all the bugs out of it, those stangs are gonna be kickin *** all over the place.

guess it's time for more mods in my '82

 

Man i usually dont particularly like ford, but it seems like they have their $hit halfway together lately...... SHOOT GM cant even shoot a G*D DA*N commerical stating that, HEY we make the best motor ever produced!!! And you can buy one for not much more than a civic or something similair!!!! not to mention they look, sound, are bad @$$ and have a dang 6 speed!!!! GM KILLS ME!!!

 

Hey *****, can you get an LS1 from the factory with a supercharger? Then quit bitching. BTW, I'm fairly confident that I won't even need a blower to outrun 03 cobras with my 5.0, so what does it prove that you'd need a blower with an LS1?

You also said some crap about ford overrating cars. I'd like to point out that the last car from ford with a blower was underrated. Will this car beat a stock C5? Yes, I think it will despite the fact that the vette costs 5-9k more. Will this car beat a Z06? No. Which is the better drag racing platform? The Cobra responds to a blower better than an LS1 does, and that's a fact. A pulley, chip and exhaust will be all it takes to make a Cobra eat an LS6, viper, or anything else. So, it will be more responsive to mods, initially. Anyone who doesn't think Ford can get 70 hp from 8 psi is a dumbass. Also, I don't remember ford claiming that it would take a Viper or Z06 stock. What I remember is claimed 110 mph trap speeds. That certainly wouldn't run with a Viper, or Z06, but I say it is conservative. I agree with you on it's times, though. I don't think it'll be faster than 12.5. My bench racing estimate: 12.6@111-114 bone stock.

Chris

 

I agree it's not going to be THAT fast (12.30's). Evan Smith, Bob Cosby, and a select few others might be able to get that out of it, but that's going to be about it. On hardcore50 I called 12.50's, some people called 12.20's some called 12.80's, but the general consensus seems to be in the mid 12's.

Regardless, it's nothing but another car out of my budget to lust after

 

Yup, I think it's time to put on the "just in case" 150 shot. I may be able to handle a Z06 N/A, but it would be close. Anything that was moderately modded would hand me my ***, so I'll give myself a little reserve .

Chris

 

That remark about being easier is an opinion. I've worked on 4th gens, 3rd gens, Mustangs and most American Muscle cars and I feel that the Mustangs, as far as newer cars goes, is the easiest to work on.

As for the Mustang beating the Z06, it wouldn't do it stock, but it wouldn't be far off. I'm pretty confident it will go mid 12s, but with minor mods it could go 11s. I don't want to bring the cost issue in, cause then everyone brags about how for $4000 they can run 10s in there car, so without the cost involved, I think its a step in the right direction.

 

Think of it this way, Detroit will be churning out a car that will be able to smoke MKIV supras with the same easy mods as the supra owners always brag about

 

As long as we can keep Camaro's, T/A's, Stangs, Vettes, Vipers and other american sports car faster than ricers i'm happy.

 

 

Sounds good to me too

 

Man run what ya brung'. Thats not cheating, i bet that two cammer blower gets great gas mileage and is gonna pull like a porsche up top. *** I cant wait for that thing to come out...my buddy is supposed to get a 01 cobra, ill tell him too wait a year or two. I've driven a 96 Cobra and that thing up top pulled so beautifuly, obviously that isnt even gonna COMPARE to the new ones. There is no cheating when it comes to cars, different varties.

RUN WHAT YA BRUNG SON!

 

I agree with this, although the 2 cams isn't really any kind of advantage. Guess who would be the winner if u put an S/C or whatever else they are doing to it on an LS1??

 

True about the blower on the LS1, but then you void the warranty and it costs you $4000. The comparison said stock for stock and the LS1 didn't have a blower stock, and the Cobra does. Thats not cheating, thats life, like it or not.

 

I think the GM and Ford guys should just get along. Both have American V8 powered muscle cars that can kick any ricers a$$. That is what is important now of days. Keeping the domestic speed cars in the picture before they are over run by the imports. Now of days I am happy to see any V8 muscle car go by because it is a break from all the farting Hondas and stuff.

 

I agree with that, it will always be GM vs. Ford though. Even when we are against imports, its still there.

 

Right on man. Do you GM guys have any foresight?!? Ford just might make a car that will beat an LS1 any day on the street (and especially from a roll). Then what will happen? GM will come back with a LS7 that will blow the '03 cobra out of the water, and vice versa for hopefully many years . It's going to be a good old fashioned hp war for the first time in 30 years. THIS IS A GOOD THING!!!! American muscle will now dominate rice (including those fu(king supras) for many years to come! I thank Ford for finally getting off thier a$$ and making something to compete with the F-body and even the Z06. :rockon:

 

Although I can't confirm it, I just heard a rumor from a pretty reputable source at Hardcore50.com that even with the 2 1/4" exhaust (re: very restrictive), one of the pre-production models put 360 hp to the rear wheels and with the exhaust removed it layed down a little over 400 at the wheels.

 

Nic,
I guess word goes around pretty fast because I heard the same thing yesterday. I have no reason AT ALL to doubt the validity of these claims. I do believe that Ford has started to listen to it's power hungry, loyal customers. To top it off they are keeping the price reasonable! Now, I am a 100% loyal GM customer and I am GLAD Ford is going ahead with this car. For the past few years there hasnt been much competition from the other side of Detroit Now us GM guys will have something to shoot for (once I get my LS1 ).

-peace

 

Yea, wish GM would keep the F-body and counter attack with something in the 400+ hp range with Ford countering and so on and so forth.

 

Too bad the Fbodys gone, for now, because everyone would love the good old fashioned power race for the Detroit companies.

 

Give GM some time, good things are coming from them. Its very likely you'll have some Camaro competition too look forward to again in a few years.

 

Let's just hope it's rwd and still has a V8.

 

It will.

 

That's good to hear then. What's the latest rumor on the new f-bodies?

 

There is no doubt the Mustang will be fast, if you don't think so just go ride in a Lightning truck. I have seen them quietly run in the 12's at the track. Ford will underrate the horsepower because they won't take a chance on having what happened before happen again. I'd rather wait for Chrysler to build the Razor and run with the Cobra for $14,500 and get better gas mileage.

 

If Chrysler produces the Razor, I WILL have one.

 

"What's the latest rumor on the new f-bodies?"

Can't tell. I wouldn't put money on there being a Firebird though. Maybe if the Camaro is a success again, and maybe not.

 

according to GMHTP magazine, the fbody will return sometime near 2005 and will be rear wheel drive. its going to be based on an Opel platform. Sadly, i dont think the firebird name will be resurrected, just the camaro, what is this LS7 everyone keeps talking about? ive never heard of this

 

I think LS7 is an engine dude.

 

What is the Razor?

 

Which GM motor has the most power, LT1,LS1,LS4,LS6, or another i forgot

 

out of those motors, the LS6 is the most powerful. IROCZTWENTYGR8, the LS7 is OBVIOUSLY an engine, what i wanted to know is where everyone heard about it and what does it have done to it over an LS6. im not that dense.

 

Why doesn't GM just import some of their Holden cars in from Australia? I've seen them and they are just BADASS!

I think the aussies have some Badass cars. LS1's in near everything, Ford still has the 5.0 kicking in the Falcon and it makes 350HP.

 

 

An LS5 was a 390hp 454, there were LS6 and LS7 454's also. I am pretty sure the LS6 was the 450 hp 454 found in 1970 Chevelle SS. There was also a 460 hp 454 that I am not sure of what it was called. Maybe the LS6 is 450 hp and the LS7 is 460hp. Maybe they were both LS6 but rated different in different cars. Because I think the LS7 never actually came out in a vehicle and was just a 454 that you could build that was more powerful than the LS6. Either way if they are talking of a new LS7 it will be something completely different just like the old LT1 and the new LT1.

 

LOL I know.

 

I am hoping that they come out with the charger that was at the car shows a couple years ago. I heard that it was a go, then not then they figured they need a performance car below the viper. Who knows with the germans in charge?

Finally a 3 way domestic power race, hopefully it won't be limited to the 4 cyl cars.

 

The Charger looked like a half charger half camaro to me. And it was going to run on alternative fuels not gasoline, so I would not be too interested in it.

 

the ls7 is in fact an engine

its a 6.4L making 391 cubes .

compression ratio: 10.9.1
bore :4.06 inches
stroke: 3.78 inches
1.7 ratio rockers
2002 ls6 cam
ls6 induction

the motor made 445hp@5600 rpms and 450ft-lbs @4400 rpms on 93 octane

 

my post never shows up

 

I think that the alt fuels were for the show circuit only. as for it looking like a Camaro, is that a bad thing? Anyway, it looked mostly charger, and only a little bit like a camaro.