First I only found out days before that the TFB club is gonna be there or else I wouldve went against it for this same exact reason .We didnt piggy backed on anything..I went there to see people from the Ontario board thats it..Another date couldve been picked but since Paul,You and other guys here are avid TFB members it was decided the gathering to be on that date..If it wasnt for James,Paul setting the date and Slade and the other organizing this it wouldnt have been our event which wouldve workedon ANY day.I dont have anything against the club..Its the thought of non members of that club owing them leaves a bad taste in my mouth..I went there as a sign of support for 3rdgenners..I said I had a great time but I paid the entrance fee,I didnt break any rules and I didnt owe anybody ****..

Respect is earned..not explained..If 3rdgens respect is based on heresay and generalizations then no car group deserves it


Daz

 

perhaps my choice of words when i said "who cares what the rich LS1 boys think" was not the best. i love 4th gens; they are fast right from the factory and can be modded to go 12s without too much difficultly. but i love 3rd gens the most (i love all generations of f-bodies). i think i should have said something along the lines of "we payed to be there and we have as much right to be there as anyone else". i was just upset that all the tfbm guys felt liek they were allowing us to use "their" track and "their" time. as Daz said, i didnt like the way the tfbm thought us board members here owed them somthing. which is not the case at all.

 

1)You didnt invite me..good thing cause I would probably have to be eternally grateful
2)If you want to cut the quote short and imply that I didnt care about the event or the convoy then the rat's *** comment goes to you
3)"who gives a rat's *** on what they THINK" was the statement
4)You didnt invite me
5)Tell you waht if Ive seen the person who was doing it wouldve told him at the gathering that he's being an idiot(unless he's big)..instead this gossip bs..
6)Good thing I missed the convoy or else I wouldve owed you on that too
7)You didnt invite me

Youre event seems to be very organized and lively though.I thank you for not being a bother to us..THe THirdgen Association of Ontario
Daz

 

hahhahah....oh man that was great. hahahaha

 

I also missed out on the convoy action as I took highway 4 all the way from London. Regardless of TFBM, I would have been at the track anyways, because I am there nearly every Friday and Saturday. I don't feel that I owe any explanation or appologies.

For whoever was driving like an idiot... you can bet that he/she will be dealt with.. We don't want our cars wrecked or anyone to get hurt either. I wasn't in the convoy, so I can't pass judgement.

 

Your sarcastic collegiate wit was too much for me Daz. I don't know what to say.

Other than the club acknowledging that you generally do this for a good time, I put very little weight in what you have to say. Then again, it did seem all of your replies, did that for you.

You would challenge somebody face to face only if he wasn't big? Are you still in highschool? Is recess over yet?

 

Cam, what are you doing here? I've meet Daz in person a couple times and he is a good guy and knows his stuff, he just seems to develop a different personality online.

Brad: I've read through all the posts thus far and I think the feeling of TFbM feeling that something was owed to them is slightly mis-skewed. That I know of, they are not expecting anything from the thirdgeners. I think it's been blown out of proportion. Honestly, give it a week and all will be totally forgotten.

 

I think I was the one who ended up inciting the hot *******.. it was not my intention to do any hot *******, I just couldn't hang at the back of the convoy due to the need to see where we were at so I could call the Kitchener guys and alert them to our arrival. I know I was able to get the message across to James via a piece of paper written quit cutting people off.. I still have that in the car lol.

After a point I kinda gave up on trying to get within view of the front and just prayed James' van wouldn't try to cut in front of me so I could keep an eye on the tip and guage speed. I did not realize everyone tried to cut into the front, all I knew of was really Alex and James who came along to the front, eventually even Alex jumped well ahead of me.

As far as that's concerned I do have an apology to make for my reckless driving to the tfbm people, and will do so on the tfbm board. I do have to apologize to our board as I feel that I could have done this convoy thing a bit better. Oh well notes for later.

 

O.k. All I can say for myself, is that there was no convoy ettiquete passed on to us, there was no one cutting any one off, we were cruising at 125KM/hr in the left lane with no f-bodies in front of us, in am attempt to merge in with the thirdgens in which we are members of. The incident with the accident was just that, an accident. I didn't plan on having a coolant leak,but it happened. Everyone that was behind me, saw what was happening as it unfolded. They backed off to allow me to get to the shoulder as anyone with any common sense would do. The accident happened after the car was stopped on the shoulder. Not by HOTDOGGING and CUTTING anyone off. I have a heavy foot at times, but I am not into Showboating. I won't even do a burnout unless I am all alone in a hidden area.
I don't want this to effect any relationship that we might have had with the TFbM. But trying not too sound disrespectful of them, they never came to us to introduce themselves either. In the future, especially when they know that there will be non-members joining the convoy, they should get the rules for the convoy posted where everyone can see them. There is nothing worse than doing something against the rules set out, and not even knowing about them until people start complaining. If I had known that when we joined the convoy, that we were to remain in line at the back, then we would have done so. I would still have blown my heater hose, either way. Oh well, I have said all I have to say about this. I have explained what really happened, and if that is not good enough, fine. People can think what they want. I have no hard feelings towards anyone, and I hope everyone will feel the same.
Kevin

 

More judgements/implication continues..then namecalling??ITs sad that the discussion has to end this way..A little off topic now are we?I guess my point went across and passed you..oh well..

Daz

 

Ladies please! You sound like a room full of police dispatchers. And believe me, I would know!(joke)

We're two groups who share a genuine love for some of the greatest cars ever made and, let's face it, geography has made us neighbours. Do we have to let a few questionable comments/behaviours that day overshadow what should be a kinship? Listen, I take insults as personally as the next person, but I can't help but feel that this is going to cost both sides in the long run. I wasn't there, I can't comment on what transpired. What I see here, however, is a lot of energy going toward a negative purpose. You've all proven your quick wit and biting sarcasm. Can we move beyond who's right and who's wrong and just agree to disagree and move on? I believe in chosing one's battles wisely. Becoming foes is a waste of everyone's time. Perhaps a healthy sporting rivalry would be better suited to future (and inevitable ) encounters at the track?

Flame me if you want. In my mind, you'll be proving my point.

 

Might as well throw in my $ .02 worth:

#1: I have been on this board for awhile- just don't post alot

#2: I am a paid tfbm member- haven't been to too many events (last one I went to was the tour of Agostino racing)- events have unfortunately conflicted with my schedule


No need to fight amongst the different generations- everyone has their 'favorite' generation and that's (hopefully) why they own/drive one. My favorite and owned vehicle happens to be a 2nd Gen. and I'm not particularly fond of the cosmetics of some of the other generations. However, this is now irrelevant- with the recent discontinuation of the f-body by GM- ALL f-body's are now an (unfortunately) dying breed. Next Camaro/Firebird is more than likely to be some FWD crapbox like the newer Impala or such. The only way club/clubs membership will grow will be as people who previously owned f-bodies or always wanted to own one but never did buy up older vehicles to fix up. As such- the last thing we should be doing is trying to create exclusivity between different generations and dividing ourselves.

If people from thirdgen.org plan and carry out events- that's fantastic- but if you hold them the same day as tfbm events, you are forcing people to make a choice that is not really required and further serves to 'segment' the f-body population. Not good in the long run I would say.

As for events on the weekend- if people were driving like idiots (not that they were, but if) it obviously reflects on their group- like it or not. Perception is fact in the modern world- so if no one wants to give out the wrong idea- conduct yourselves accordingly- unfortunately, even one careless/reckless boob can give a whole group a bad reputation.

And unfortunately, for us 2nd and 3rd Gen. owners- we have been burdened with the public perception of being trailer-trash or only slightly above it. First gen owners have managed to avoid this due to the passage of time, and 4th gen owners missed it because of the skyrocketing price of new vehicles in the 1990s. As such- we unfortunately have more of a hill to climb to overcome this (for the most part incorrect) perception. Fighting with other f-body owners of different generations or trying to be an 'exclusive club' does not help the situation.

ThirdgenOntario and tfbm should be complementary organizations- starting a fight accomplishes nothing for anyone at this point.


-And as for the collision on the weekend- and No, I'm not trying to be funny here- whenever you pull over on the side of the road to assist another vehicle- pull in front of it- not behind- and back-up on the shoulder if required. Doing it the other way ends up, more often than you'd think- exactly like it did, with a collision.

 

Ummm... If the TFbM club hadn't been there, sure you could have got in more runs. However, how long do you think they could keep the track in business catering to just a handful of people there for Test & Tune? I think at least 75% of the cars there on Saturday were F-Bodies, both TFbM and the rest of you guys who came because it was advertised as an F-Body day. I think attendance like that is good for the sport, good for the track and good for F-Body enthusiasts. (I'm beginning to think now that The financial wizards at GM have killed these cars, they are becoming more popular than ever.)

And another thing. Whenever I've been to the track on an F-Body day, I've always seen the test & tune cars getting more runs than the F-Bodies, who have to wait until everyone else has run until we get another run. Sure you had fewer runs, but it was because there were more cars there, not just TFbM.

 

Actually, Eric, the 2nd gens have now come out of that phase. When you see one today, it's usually well maintained and driven by somebody who cares. The rest of them went to the bone yard long ago. But now is the time to really start looking after those third gens, because one day they'll be as valuable as those rare first gens.

 

Thirdgens will never be that valuable... for the simple reason that they literally made millions of them.

 

"Valuable", in the sense you are speaking of, only counts if you plan to sell your car. As the Beach Boys once said, "She may be rusted iron, but to me she's solid gold."

Tracey

 

I retract my previous statement