thanks to acceld for getting my topic closed (azz clown)

anyways...

i will get more info...and take the questions from you all that i should ask him and i will let you all know more when i know more...

now for your information..i WILL get another motor this coming winter...i do do things that i say..

if i dont get this 406..what other motors are half decent and a good price range?? zz4 crate perhaps?

iroc2nv

ps..i also am getting air ride suspention as well...flame away acceld flame away.. i just cant wait until i see your face when i win something at the nationals and everyone is like wow your car is a piece of **** acceld

 

My suggestion is that if you don't like the responses given in the last thread, maybe try a post in the Tech/General board.

The fact that you are from Ontario doesn't make engine tech any different. This question doesn't have anything to do with where we're from. Just a suggestion.

On an unrelated note, I will eat your old engine block if you win an award at the nationals.

 

Oooh, the challenges begin......can't wait to hear the results!

 

On an unrelated note, I will eat your old engine block if you win an award at the nationals. [/B][/QUOTE]

do you like it with or without ketchup?

iroc2nv

 

how much money are you willing to spend on the engine?

Daz

 

daz...

prolly about $12000 or so... give or take..

iroc2nv

 

Twelve thousand dollars?!

Go big block.

 

CAN YOU SAY TWIN TURBO

 

12 Grand!!!

You have got to be kidding me. Dude I love my car and I make a decent salary..... but spending 12,000 grand just on the engine in a 3rd gen you have got to be kidding me......someone had better check the water up there where you live because I think something has gotta be wrong with it!

But like I have said to people on here before, if it makes you happy go right ahead because you shouldnt give a **** what anyone else thinks.

 

you guys seem to forget...i own my own business...so..its not that much...

now..$12g's is only a plateau to where i dont wanna exceed... if i can get a nice 600hp motor for under $8000, ill take it.. i aint no dummy...

oh and easy...i dont do turbos man..its gotta be supers!!

iroc2nv

 

I think Mr. "blown-tpi" spent a good $10000 on his ride.. then again, if you looked at his pics he also had a nice looking garage in the background that just reeked of "people that have way too much money... support the ailing students who want to mod their thirdgen please!!!!"

 

If you have that kind of dough, why bother buying a $2000 engine..?


Or better yet, why charge me $50 for your IROC side skirts as opposed to just giving them to me?

 

IROC2NV,

Witht hat kind of budget I would seriously be building an engine from scratch so you know EXACTLY what your getting as far as quality parts & labour.

$12000 can buy you a 600HP "all day motor" pretty much.

$6000 can buy you a 400HP "all day motor"
and it will look very pretty too

 

Trying to spend $12 000 for an engine i wish i had problems like that.

BTW IBTL

 

im stupid when it comes to motors...

so..part of that coin will be to someone who knows how to build them... thats why i was looking in the 12 g's range..

so..in everyones opinion...

whats the best motor to have like 600hp..but still be streetable..

iroc2nv

slade..dude...i know how you feel..i was once there...itll come man..itll come..

jer..i spent $50 just getting them there...remember i made 2 trips!! lmao

 

haha, and I had to sit in a Future Shop parking lot with the girlfriend 'killing time'.....

...


oh wait, thanks. hahaha

 

I may not have admin privelidges to do this but I have this funny feelin this is gonna happen again soon.

 

600HP and streetable usually dont go together very well.

A 600HP small block chevy is not uncommon, but isnt the most streetable car out there.

If your keeping it fuel injected, then i guess you'll have to buy all the upgrades like the supperram or whatever and those parts will gobble up some cash.....

So if its fuel injected, and your starting from scratch, have your engine builder build you a 383 (a stroked 350) and set it up for boost. Buy yourself a supercharger kit, and have a decently idling 600HP motor.

That would be the most "streetable" way. And believe me, you'll need those $12,000 funds for this one......

Now if you dont mind a very rough idling, high rpm street monster, you can build another small block prefferably int he larger cubes (383, 400, 434 ect...) and attain your 600HP goals too. But it will not be pleasent to drive, will be horrible on fuel(most likely high-test), and will not be ozone friendly

 

mmmm what I could do with $12 g...

Your talking to a guy that's thinking of spending $1800 on a paintjob...

Watch me rip 14's with new paint! Wohoo! Add a sticker, go 13's, ask me now!

I'll be doing 14's in a decent looking car, with my "in car PC design" that uses a rewritten version of winaldl to display the readings the ECM gets and lets me reprogram the prom, has a 7 inch lcd with dvd and why not take advantage of 6 speaker surround sound too... Fast and the furious eat your heart out...

Then again I think I was just dreaming at the keyboard again...

 

actually...

there is a question in there that does go with thirdgens..

which motor can i get for like 12g's or under that is like 600hp


iroc2nv

 

it seem that some people need to go out and price a engine that some builds for you. 12g is nothing for a good engine. and if you want it to be a show car engine then you will be at the cheap end of the price rage.

try giveing Agestio a call and see what a engine will cost from them. lets also not forget you could not buy a blowerfor less than 4g by its self.

personaly i think 12g is a lot of money too. buy for what iroc2nv seems to be planing. it right in line with other cars of that quality.

i think you should go for it. if you have the money and thats what you want. if it was me i would look for something that is not comon to stuff in there. somthing that when you open the hood people go "holly f_ck how did you do that."

 

dude...

i wish my paint was only that much...

it goes in the 1st of may and comes out like the 3rd of june...$6000 later...its like a matalic black with a bit of white pearl or something...its not really the paint that is costing the $$$ but the custom body work that is getting done...i think itll be worth it..only time will tell...

does anyone have any ideas on my original question though??

 

yea but with the comments like
and the others, it is bound too sooner or later

 

When is it going to be finished, at least 'appearance-wise'? I've still only seen the bad scans of when it was red/black etc...

 

is your car going to be ready for marks big show? with your car only coming out of paint at the begining of june? that does not leave much time is somthing go wrong. or they just all behind.


drop is a ZR1 or ZO6 or even go all out and lets see a 454. if yo want a show car then make sure you have somthing to show

 

since my paint is going on a stock body its not costing me as much...

 

jers...

itll be done this year...at least for a bit..after this year ill be concentrating on motor,suspention and other things...

scott.. i hope she will be ready for zddrs meet, after the paint booth, she goes in for my new exuast..yeah i know i just got my hooker full exaust put in..but hey..and then off to get the eibachs put in...whew..yeah..i was thinking of 454..but where can i get one of those... and how much for the zr1 motors?


iroc2nv

 

I used to scoff at "idiots" who talked about dropping 5 digits into an engine... but when you actully add it all up, it isn't that hard to do.

I built my last one for $1,200 and ran 13s with it... .but to get into the 11s... you need to drop some cash there is no way around it.

 

the ZR1 would be hard to find. but i did see one on ebay not to long ago 10000us

the 454 you can find used in the tryad or buy a crate motor. all ready to go in. take a look around and you will see they are out there. the 454 would take a lot of work to fit it in.

 

ok...so...

the zz4 is outta the question then??

so im looking for a z06 or something like that...hmm..should i get a gm crate..or something outside them??

and thanks for the help its greatly appreciated

iroc2nv

 

Do you want a docile big block 600HP street car or a wild 350 with power adders that handles better than the other?..For 600HP its cheaper to go big block (IMO).The bigger the motor the less cam(better idle)you need..I dunno exact prices but if you want to spend $12000..get a 502 long block,Holley Commander 950 MPFI a TH400 and a cage..

502 - $8000?
Holley 950 Commander MPFI $4000?

probably less than 600HP but if youre willing to go carb....

Daz

 

more thinking got me this

$8000 All forged SBC
$2000 progressive 300HP nitrous kit
$2000 installation

Daz

 

The "Z06" engine (or LS6) is available in crate form, for 7 grand US.

That's roughly $11400 CDN.

It doesn't include PCM ($170 USD), the wiring harness ($527 USD), or an intake snorkel.

You're looking at WELL over your 12 grand limit if you want to buy a LS6 new, and buy the little extras you're going to need like a "transmission."

I'd still recommend a big block.

BTW, where is this shop of yours? Anything interesting to peruse?

 

I used to call them idiots but sometimes time is more important hence just paying somebody else to do certain jobs.Some people like wrenching (thats us),some just like to race or cruise and some enjoys taking pics of their cars..To each his own..My next probject is $3500

Daz

 

If I had $12,000 to make 600 streetable RWHP.... I would definitely be looking towards twin turbos.... or possibly one of those twin screw whipple chargers.

Twin turbos would prolly blow the budget.... so I would likely end up cutting a big whole in the hood and bolting on a big-*** 8-71.

 

I dont think he is mechanically inclined enough to own any aftermarket twin turboED car..He's gonna spend more $$$ getting it to run right..I would probably spend twice as much as he is planning if Im not into knuckle scraping

Daz

 

doh...only have $2000 left

Daz

 

Yeah, iroc2nv, what do you do...? where is it located, and all of that stuff..?

 

You're pretty hung up on me. I'm flattered. You are the last person on the planet that should be calling someone else an *** clown.

IF THERE EVER IS A DAY WHERE YOUR JAPANIMATION IROC/SPACESHIP IS NICER AND QUICKER THAN MY CAR, I WILL KISS YOUR ***

 

iroc2nv, a 502 Ram Jet is over 500hp and is basicaly a Tuneport. I believe the kit comes with everything including wireharness. I was considering that for my car when my first engine went Kabluewy. Someone even makes headers for 3rd gen's with big blocks, cant remember who but i know they make them.

http://www.racehome.com/images/wcnat...mjet502-sm.jpg
http://www.hotrodlane.cc/images/web002928a.jpg
http://www.tunedport.com/factory502.html
http://www.friesenchevy.com/engines.htm

Daz, most 400's around that i know of are 4 bolt, but theres always some sort of exception to something. I myself have never seen a 2 bolt 400, but hey, i wont argue, they prolly do exist. Life has a way of slaping me in the face like that.

D's89, the bolt patern on the 2 bolt flywheel wont bolt up to a 4 bolt, u do need to get a new flywheel. I have done it and found out the hard way, as for the oil pan, i took mine off the old engine, so ya stump'd me there, had no clue. The balancing plate for the flexplate or flywheel is about $100, but if your getting a new flywheel anyways u might as well get a balanced one.

 

If you want 600whp, call Procharger. A D1SC, a 383, some decent heads, and lots of cam will easily make 600whp.

Power=$$$$

A budget build will only go so far. You'll reach a point where the heads or bottom end won't support what you're trying to do and you'll need to upgrade.

 

Come on peeps, were not in high school anymore, er.. at least i'm not Lets all behave and act like grown ups. Even if we dont agree with anothers artistic thoughts. Its his car, let him make it look how ever he wants. I'll admit, it sure is an origanal.

 

AHAHAHA!!
I laughed so hard I choked on my spit! That's great!

 

"Choked on my spit!"??? lol, cant say I have herd that one befor. must be a city thing

 

If you do build a 406... I've got a crank for ya

 

You're pretty hung up on me. I'm flattered. You are the last person on the planet that should be calling someone else an *** clown.

IF THERE EVER IS A DAY WHERE YOUR JAPANIMATION IROC/SPACESHIP IS NICER AND QUICKER THAN MY CAR, I WILL KISS YOUR ***



I'm with Acceld....nuf said.

 

lets not get this thread locked too ok..please??

im seriously looking for a half decent power motor..

ill have it ready to go in by like april 2004 so from now til then i will do a little research on the motors you have all suggested..

thanks for that


now..my shop is kinda mobile..

i have accounts at certain places (fx designs, wingswest, erebuni, toucan industries, apc) but i dont have a concrete shop because alot of the landlords in my area dont want cars in there bays// ( i know makes no sense)...so i as my partners..are looking for one.. i do stuff out of my garage here(summer only) and winter time ..i do little things like skirt kits and stuff..(ordering only)..pretty much what you need i can get..but there are always exceptions to this..

iroc2nv

 

Gee, out of all those manufacturers you named, there's nothing that I really want. Oddly enough...

 

lmao

i go where there is money...and the money is in R I C E!!

ANYWAYS..
im looking into each of the motors you guys talked about..

thanks again

iroc2nv

 

Then don't begin and end your post with direct insults aimed towards me

If you want a new engine, build one. Figure out what you want and then put the package together. I'd recommend a 383 based on a roller 350. You may or may not already have one in your IROC. You could probably put a nice 383 together for $2000 and you'd know what was in it. You can then add to the shortblock as funding allows. Before you do any of that you need to do some research.