for all those people that del there cat and take off the emission stuff or are thinking about it,watch out those guys are out like crazy i got pulled over 3 times in 2 days by them, just given u a heads up.

 

OK - who are these f'ckers. I've never seen them. Are they cops or are they those POS workfare losers in the DOT cars who are just putting in time, waiting to retire and hopefully die the next day.

Also, if it's the latter, I thought they only had jurisdiction over commercial traffic and couldn't detain anyone.

Lastly, what did they do when they stopped you - how did they stop you - how much did they dig into the car - was there a police officer present etc.

 

They are like Emission Officers.. Even if you pass emissions it doesn't matter to them the law is " IF you car came pollution control equipment it must still be on there" they hired about 30 of these guys last year there use to be 2 of them.. I am going to have rigg up the first emission friendly miniram...

 

Non-functioning hollow parts would probably fool these fools.

 

yes and have!!

daz

 

that's not cool, anybody got a cheap cat that I can hollow out.
I thought all I had to do was get my 2 year pass through the emission test. That sucks

 

Even if you hollow out your cats you might get burnt, they carry a portable snorkel to hook up to your exhuast to see if you are burning clean... So you gotta be careful.

 

I have looked into this quite a bit since buying the miniram that is why I have to get my egr on there somewhere. I left all my other emession stuff on. Even though you could probally take it all off and pass an e-test with ease. "IT DOESN'T MATTER IT HAS TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL EMISSION EQIPMENT" that is why your e-test says in the bottom in the fine print "still subjected to emission laws"

 

icebird are you not finished with the emission testing, and if you are whats the deal with hooking you up to the tester?

 

great, now ya have me all freaked out. Any idea what the fines are?

I'm going to cut my cat in half and gut to put on anyway but the pcv/crankcase breather and charcoal canister are disconnected. Not that big a deal but if rules are strict and fines are steep I might be thinking twice. I have some blowby so I'm not sure how bad that's gonna smell in the summer with breathers on instead anyway. BAH... maybe i'll just destroy destroy my drop base open element air cleaner and plumb the stuff back in.

 

fines were $380 for a friend of mine... missing a hose to his charcoal box.... they are ruthless...

 

ok that's going back on when I walk back outside

Doesn't rob us of any power anyway.

I really dont wanna hookup the pcv again tho

 

they pull u over just like cops. both came up to me telling me to pop my hood and asking if it is my car and the year. i pop my hood and they both stick there heads under the hood with there little flash lights, i find they really seem to focus on the carb, then they look under the car lookin for the cat. only one of the times i got pulled by them they stuck this thing in my exhaust to test it. i dont no what makes them chase after are cars but as soon as they see me they just start chaseing me till they catch up then on go there flasher. and they keep tellin me to take my plate cover off the back its gunna get me in trouble, i dont see how?!

 

As far as I know only cops can stop and detain you. Cops are generally well trained and there are a lot of rules and so on as to how they are to conduct themselves when they engage someone.

So what happens if you don't stop for the emissions goofs. Like what authority do they have over anyone.

 

What area are you being busted in?


This is kinda scary considering I am building a carbed 383 stroker with no emmissions equipment.

 

I'm kinda looking forward to coming across these officers. "I told you everything was hooked up properly, now **** off".

 

That y I am leaving all my polution crap on. Being a 92 I got way to many E-Tests to go.

 

you should have the pcv valve on there no matter what and run a valve cover breather on the other side. (thats with no emissions stuff on). the pcv is good for the motor.

i dont have any emissions stuff, but i still run the pcv and a valve cover breather on the other valve cover.

 

what year is your car darbleinad?? if it had emissions you will need for the GOONS...or take your chances... I will..

 

its an 84. i need to get it etested once. so i may just drive around with my stickers that say FEB 03 all summer and take my chances.

 

i have been running with no emissions stuff for nearly as long as i have owned the car

 

well hopefully you don't run into them.. EVER! because just because it is over 20 years ols next year doesn't get you exempt from them... my buddy found that out the hard way aswell.. $380 fine

 

yeah i know, even though your car doesnt have to be etested, legally all the emissions some that it came with from the factory has to be there

 

i'm in toronto.

 

i've never seen these guys....what do their cars look like?....and what authority do they have to pull you over?......red cherries?..........i gotta look for a website...this is getting interesting

 

Guess it's time to get a 69 SS and blow race gas fumes in their hippie faces...

 

if you have a different engine dropped in, and it is 20 years old, dont you not have to have the emission stuff cause the car is under a different classification? or did i make this up?

Are you sure there aloud to pull your over? are they real cops? Also, i dont think you have to show them whats under the hood. Cuase if they are cops they have to have grounds to do anything. And if there not cops, they cant pull you over.

 

nope, if you put in a 30 year old V8, you aren't exempt at all! your car has to be within 150% of factory emissions specs for the year it was made or it will fail. If you have a 69 vehicle, obviously there were no factory emissions specs that year so you are exempt. if you have an 89 with a '69 Motor in it, it has to have emissions equipment or meet those standards otherwise it will fail. That's how it goes where I'm from.

 

Here's a adobe document I found on the issue...

Link

 

Exactly. I'm there now, and I don't really care. Unless these guys are in a cop car, there's no way I'm pulling over for e-test crap. If they wanna burn me, they can do it come e-test time, hell, they already burnt me for $250 then.

 

well if these goons are "MTO" officers, they do have the right to pull your vehicle over, allthough the mto usually does not deal with the "general public" they are more concerned with commercial vehicles. still i would not put this type of shenanagans past our beloved government

 

I thought MTO only had jurisdiction over commercial traffic.

However, if they're stopping people they probably do have statutory authorization to cover their a$$es in the event that someone ends up dead as a result of their incompetance ie - major accident because some cretin from the MTO thinks he's a cop and wants to prove a point because his little MTO job is really about licking his supervisor's backside.

Question then becomes whether the law is full of schit, which it is, and whether these losers should have that kind of power over private individuals - consitutional issue I think.

I'm curious as to what they can do if you don't stop - spike belts? I should probably look it up but it's such BS and I deal with stuff like this every day.

My rant runneth over.

 

MTO can ONLY pull over commercial vehicles legally. I mean anyone can try to pull you over...

 

i think i am going to have to clarify this with my neighbour who is a MTO officer....find out what there juristiction consist of. if memory serves me correct we had this conversation at one point in time in regaurds to his duties and he said that if he sees what he believes to be an unsafe motorized vehicle, regaurdless of it class he has the right to pull it over..... i wounder if they have some loop hole in regaurds to all this drive clean stuff.... i will investigate and post more info on this.

 

Well, according to the pdf doc that RegaPlanet provided, they're usually "provincial officers working with enforcement agencies." I take that to mean that they're working with some sort of OPP or RCMP, etc.

What an unforgivable lack of rights car owners have in Ontario. Transportation is a basic need in today's society, and there is no good public transit system in my area. It's frightening to think that they can pull you over, give you a $325 ticket, if your exhaust APPEARS OPAQUE.
Sounds a little too abstract to measure fairly, to me.

 

Welll ...they are in Kitchener ....OPP is doing it ....seen a ***** pulled over on the on ramp to highway 7 .....


For all of you who are thinking of blowing off a person trying to stop you .....LMAO you actually think you would get away with it !!!!!!! They have EVERY right to yank your polluting *** over and check your vehicle out . Just be lucky we arent as bad as California ( yet ) , because S.Ontario ....is known for LOTS of polution ...and Lax laws on it so ....be scared ....be VERY scared If they get your plate # you are screwed ...and I imagine there will be driveing offenses to follow .


Good luck all this season ......I got a *** cat ....but leaky exaust ....... time for a new Flowmaster setup

 

After reading the same document- it strikes me that the "Smog Patrol" must have police present in order to pull a passenger vehicle over- this would be the "*** covering" aspect- Smog Patrol peoples are obviously not trained in dealing with the public in potentially volatile situations and/or safety issues (i.e. pulling vehicles over). As such- they need the cops around to "insure" their butts are covered.

One note: I don't believe a vehicle can be pulled over by anyone unless them/their vehicle is readily identifiable as a police vehicle- in the case of an undercover car this would mean it must have alternating/flashing hi-low beams- which are illegal on everything except police vehicles. I.e. you could make a legitimate and legal argument that someone with flashing blue/yellow/whites could be anyone- not a police officer and thus you have no requirement to pull over, just get out of the way for them to pass you. This hi/low beam issue is how there can be private security vehicles masquerading as police vehicles despite the fact they have no legal authority to do anything except on private property where they represent the owner- they cannot have the alternating lights.

Beyond that- it also strikes me that without a "smog patrol" officer observing the "15 second" smoke emission in a 5-minute period- they really do not have the authority to see under your hood. It's a pure- "we see smoke for 15 seconds- so you get a ticket" or they have to hook you up to a smog device- which would also be irrelevant if your vehicle is 20+ years old. This smog patrol is intended to catch "gross polluters" not re-do the standard emissions tests legal under the "DriveClean" legislation at the roadside.

I think if someone were pulled over, ordered to pop their hood and issued a ticket without the "smoke factor" being observed- the entire issue could be fought and won. The point is, almost nobody fights these things- the government is counting on the usual whining but then doing nothing that is so typical with people in Ontario today- just paying the ticket and pissing and moaning about it.

If more people did fight things and stopped playing 'doormat' the government would be far less inclined to come up with BS programs every 5 minutes. Bill 241 recently was a good example of this: who here wrote their local MPP about it?

 

I bet you could probably just tell the morons it's an '82...lol....then again, if they ask for the user/reg. that could suck...

 

all i know is, i will stop, (cause of lights), but not let the ****er touch my car, not until he shows me something that says he can, i will do this if i am not busy, cause i would pass easily, but i get bored, and giving them a hard time would be fun

 

What happened with bill 241? I signed the petition...

 

The Ontario parliment March session was "prorogued" .

That means delayed, adjurned, put off for another day.

thats how the PC government recently introduced a Budget
outside the legislature.

All present legislature is supposed to be defered, canceled
or whatever.

Not clear what this actually means. Seeing as to the recent
shady menouvering with the budget, we'd best keep a close watch on it. The Ontario legislature meets again April30.
This is the time to contact you local MPP. They won't likely be in their office during the session.
I have contacted my local (PC) MPP and the closest opposition
MPP ( Lib) about this.
The PC MPP didn't quite get all the concern with the bill. Like we got nothing to worry about. Ya right. The opposition MPP (lib)
was more accepting to my concern and is watching the progress
on this. He indicated that he could see some potential
problems with the language in the Bill (241). He has had some calls on this.
You should write your local MPP AND call him/her on the phone.
There is an election comeing up so they all will be much more open to listening to your concerns about now. This is the time to
hit them up. They all want to be re/ elected.

 

Hahaha, umm no. Even the police have a hard time enforcing that. Unless they have some video evidence showing the owner of the car visibly outrunning them, a plate number will do nothing. They may send the owner a fine, or a summons, either way, you take it to court and it gets tossed out. Unless your caught in the act, they can't do a thing.

Been there, believe me.

 

Dave, I dare you to run from one of these guys. I double dare you They set up shop at the corner down here last summer. They pulled every **** box in for a look. I took a detour.

I'm gonna have to rig up some kind of fake AIR system

 

Been there also in a Mustang GT. I wasn't driving... we were speeding... car had wrong plates on... wasn't insured or even had owernership traded over yet so he didn't stop. Was just out of sight when car ran out of gas on highway.. ditched car on side of highway... never got caught but car was impounded and a big headache there after to get back. Was fun except for the 3hr walk home. Nobody was ever even charged.

 

you just need an older emission equipment sticker..like from 82 Canadian LG4 models

Daz

 

Well, there was a certain female OPP officer who wanted to run me in for taking off on her, but when it came down to it, she never actually caught me in the act(the second time), so there was nothing she could do other than follow me around town every time I headed in. Now the car's painted and she has no clue who I am now.

As for E-police roadblocks....
I don't want to hear that...shut up. I'd get screwed!

What corner was that at Paul?