Just wondering what everyone's winter projects are for this year?I'm moving to London next week and for the first time I'll have a garage of mine i own where i can do some work on the car. So far I've picked up a set of LT1 heads which I'll be converting for use on a Gen I block, an LT1 intake, injectors, and hopefully a cc305 cam today. I'm also hoping to get a set of headers and an exhaust system on. That will probably eat up my budget for the winter, but if i have any spare $$ I might do a little work on the suspension.

 

I just finished mounting an L-88 style scoop on an 83 fiberglass hood. It's in the final painting stages now. I've also built a knuckled torque arm out of box tubing and rigid pipe. I took the plans off of AcceldZ's Jegster adjustable one. It'll mount to the floor pan instead of the transmission.

My exhaust is way to constrictive, so I'm either have a 4" custom y-pipe done, or going 3" duals all the way back.
And I'm trying to line up a giggle gas Cheater system too.
For once I'm "not" tearing the motor apart over the winter.

 

Be good to have another fbod guy here in London. We'll have to hookup sometime. What part of the city are you moving to?

As for my mods... probably nothing this winter. Saving for school but I will need to have a custom y-pipe made up before I run the car for any serious length of time or in competition next year. It is winter now and I am about to put ANOTHER new cam in my motor tho since I probably shaved the first one Or I might get lucky and find it's just a lifter.

 

I'm going to put SSBrakes on the front with braided stainless hoses along with their turbo slotted rotors. Then I'll do the rear brakes with all new stuff back there too. I still run the original rear brakes that came with with car in 1982!! They've never given me a problem but, they are finally wore down.

 

lets see for the winter i plan on adding in a couple bags of sand........nooo not to port and polish yeash but for the back seats to weigh her down a bit. maybe a bag of fert aswell incase i get stuck somewhere (it melts the snow good and it leaves the grass green come spring) um what else, new snow tires um thats about it only if i had a winter beater.....

 

If the link works, here's something you can look forward to for next year:

http://www.davidfarmerracing.com/lap-mosport.wmv

We ran this track last Monday. Cost was $250 for the day - had the track from 9 to 5, also had marshals, ambulance on site and race rescue team which thankfully was not needed. There were about 30 cars split into two run groups each out for 30 minutes at a time. I had over 2.5 hours track time and used a lot of gas. The car got to 120 mph on the straight at 5000rpm - had more throttle left but I didn't want to blow it up - not that fast but fast enough..lol. The same club should be back at Mosport next year and they also hold a lot of events in Quebec as well. This track is really easy on brakes and tyres. Only problem is that now I don't feel like driving the car on the street anymore..lol.

 

Damn, sounds like a dream day to me George. Hope I can join up with ya late next summer. JohnnyIROC should be able to as well. Glad ya made it through the day without mishap as well. I'm surprised to hear it's easy on brakes... Which club is this?

What all do you have done to your car George?

AND DAMN! that car in the video is fast around there!

 

It's the Trac Lapping Club out of Montreal. They are well organized and put on a good event. There's more stuff about them on the CASC site under Extra Events/Lapping.

I've done a few a lap days on the short track at Mosport but the Grand Prix track blows all that away. The car sounded good too with the cutout open after the y-pipe even though the motor is lame.

Short tracks are harder because of all the heavy braking and tight turns that most of them have. The Grand Prix track has a better flow to it and even coming off the straight at 120 it's into a long sweeper which is taken quite fast.

As for the car - it has a lot of suspension work but the motor is an LG4 with no mods - just headers and catback. Here's my sig from another site:

83WS6TA, LG4, J65, 3:23, TH350C, 2200 Stall, B&M Cooler, Transgo Stage Two, Hedmans, Hooker Cat-Back, Hermoff Cat, Prokit, Koni Yellows, Spohn Adj. LCAs, Spohn SFCs, BMR Relo Brackets, BMR Adj. Panhard, GW Steering Brace, SLP Hawk Rims, KDW 275/40/17s, Accel Coil and Wires, K&N Open Element and Xstream Flow Lid, Poly Bushings, 32/21 Sway Bars, Earls Brake Lines, No ECM, 11 Degrees Advance.

So, this winter I hope to get a ZZ4 and probably a Moroso Oil Accumulator but right now I'm trying to figure out where the accumulator is going to go as I don't want it inside the car with me in case it lets go..lol. Also want to get an adjustable prop valve mounted near the shifter. Long term plan is to get better brakes as well and I'm not sure right now what to do about getting a cage and six point harness.

Here's a picture from last week:

 

I'm hoping to have the car tuned but i'm having a problem finding somebody local that knows DFI 5.0-6.32. I'd also like to add a set of full length Hedman headers and install the NX kit. But I may not even touch it.

 

ah sadly my plans are to drive slow and get good winter tires.

But I hope to install a second gen shaker hood and/or a fixed/half way headlight mod..

 

Well hoping to get into prom tuning over the winter when it is in storage......but big plans for next year....a nasty vortec 350, t-56 and built 10 bolt in the rear...have half the stuff in the gararage now/am working on...so thats half the battle..we will see how things go in 2005....it will probably be like 2007 before I get things all in there etc....ha ah.

 

well over the winter i want to convert my car from carburated to tpi(if funds will allow it), i think that will be enough of a headache, so i am not planning anything else.

 

OMG... that's sounds like a hassle and almost opposite of what everyone here does. Are there more gains with a TPI over carb?

 

Only two gains with a TPI over a carb

1) Fuel Mileage
2) TQ

There is NO hp gains going TPI over carb at all.

 

the only reason i am going to do this swap is the fuel milage, and i want to try something different,

 

Lol, i've been considering swapping from TPI to carb.

 

there are alot of things that i plan on doing to my 92 rs, but what i probabley will only get started is my lt1 swap. have been reading the posts about the wiring and it is kinda scaring me off. wiring isnt one of my better qualities. but I will stumble though it i quess. I also plan on putting the z-28 blisters and highrise spoiler to finish off the exterior. I will have a 80,000 mile 305 for sale soon also if anyone will be interested. well thats my plans after i return from the sandbox.

 

I wish I had access to a garage so that I could work on my car during the winter... unfortunately, I gotta wait til spring to do anything... my springtime plans are:
1) Get my car running good (instead of running rich and occasionally stalling like it is now)
2) Replace pilot bushing (so that I can get rid of the noise, and be able to downshift from 4th to 3rd)
3) Body work and paint so my car looks sweet

Maybe in another couple years I'll start looking at all the go-fast goodies like most of the rest of you guys are doing...

 

Sadly, I don't think I'll be doing anything over the winter. Just like every other year when I 've managed to square away a few dollars for the Camaro, something craps out on the daily drivers that ends up eating the "mod money". I'm just really happy that I've managed to hold onto it. This having kids thing really burns up the money. Hey maybe Uncle Paul(Martin) will give me back some of that 9 Billion surplus he stold from the working class and I could use it to mod my car...........F***ing politicians GRRRRRR....

 

Oh yeah, I almost forgot the other reason I'm waiting til spring to do anything to my car... lack of $$$... between paying for my truck and college, and getting laid off from my job, that doesn't leave much more $$$ in the mod fund

 

I'll be repainting my car, doing as much to the interior as I possibly can, and we should be taking the engine out and repainting it as well. Since the weather is starting to suck (I'm in Guelph) the car will probably be going into hibernation sooner than I'd like! Although, I just finished changing all my belts at noon today, probably good since I have to drive from Guelph to Kingston on Saturday!!!

 

I'm working on the same project as always... I got a little carried away with custom stuff but its almost done now.

 

Making some cooling ducts for the front brakes and swapping in steel braided lines for the front at least for now...maybe a 1lE kit if I can find the brakets at a reasonable price.

Speaking of track days,
www.battlendless.com

Have gone to two of their events this year at Shannonville, LOTS of fun we did the full track on Sept 11 and the Fabi track last Sunday. Didn't bring the GTA was there in a friends Talon but you guys should consider this its open to all. There is a white IROC in some of the pics too but I wasnt there that day.

 

Going to be a pretty quiet winter for the IROC.

Going to swap in a 9-bolt that needs mounting brackets welded to it. I'll fab up so LCA relocation brackets at the same time in search of some more traction.

I'm also going to try and fab a 4130 adjustable torque arm. I can't bring myself to pay $500 for one off the shelf.

If things go very well, I'll get some aluminum LT1 heads, have them ported by Lloyd Elliott with a custom cam from him, 1.6RR's, electric WP, 30# injectors, PCM tune for about 400 at the wheels.
I'd at least like to go to 1.6's, but am afraid to to my iron head push in studs....so just have to go all the way.

If anyone knows of some used alum LT1 heads for sale, please let me know.

 

What are you doing with your current 10 bolt Neil? Is it any good?

 

doin the airbag suspention...

was gonna do some serious air brushing, but i had to buy a new car for the winter/full time driver..(01 neon) so that took alot of what i had aside..

other then that..maybe some new rims (new sponsor) and that sit..


iroc2nv

 

Best decision you'll ever make......no more BS about this program or that chip or whatever.

Just do it & be done with the BS........and tune on your sideroads !

 

Fuel injection is OK but I wouldn't want it on my car:

 

Fuel Infection LOL

 

I don't know, as long as you know what your doing, which not alot of us do, and you have the cash, both for parts and for people who know what their doing , I think fuel injection is the way to go. You get all the reliable driveability, with big reliable power. the best of all worlds. Heck, Edelbrock just released a new fuel injection system. It's the way of all the aftermarket nowadays.
As for winter projects, a custom airbox. I already have a conical airfilter, now I gotta get a setup made based on it. Not spending $240 US for SLP's cold air box.

 

I don't understand where evryone gets this fuel injection reliabilty is better garbage. We are in Ontario people. We don't have fluctuating atmospheric pressure in which you need to tweak the carb every week. Whoever told you that is BS'n you. You set it up once. And thats it. It runs for 15-20 years until you maybe need to give it fresh gaskets. You mod your motor, you don't have to wait to have a custom prom burnt, or trailer it to someone who can charge you out the *** to play with the program, no, you just change the jet sizing and away you go.

I say we just pick up a good intake, distributor and a double pumper and throw it on your car Paul. It'll be runnning in an afternoon.

 

lol now that is funny.

i can have a new chip burned in less time than it would take you to get the air cleaner off

15-20 years that one is even better

people that still think carbs are the better way to go for street cars are still stuck in the old school thinking and are unwilling to open their mind to see what the rest of the world is doing.

does your VCR still flash 12:00... or do you still think bata is the better way to go

 

Technology is always changing. All you have to do is look to the aftermarket. With the setups some of the tuners are doing (Lingenfelter, Agostino, SLP, Hennessy, Calloway, MTI, the list goes on) they are getting 500-600 RELIABLE horsepower. Cars that you can rod on the track, street, or strip, then drive straight to Texas and back with the air on with decent gas milage. (for a performance engine) It will idle and drive as good as stock in many of these applications. I don't think there are too many carb cars with that kind of horsepower that can do the same as easily. I know it's a stretch, but tell a Grand National owner to yank off his pesky fuel injection and turbo and throw on a carb. Those guys get amazing results with their setups - EFI. And I know most of us aren't import fans, but pick up an import mag, there are tons of small import cars running amazing power, all with the latest techno wizardry mixed in with engine know how. In the automotive world, everything from bikes, boats, to snowmobiles are EFI now. Big reliable horsepower they never had with the old setups.
I'm not trying to start a flame here, it's just the progression of the way things are in the world, not just automotive.

 

Yeah - I'm not innerested in arguing about it either but overall I prefer a carbed vehicle; although my truck has FI and I'm not about to go changing it.

My TA is almost 22 years old and the carb has never been off the motor - I changed the pull-off about 6 years ago and some gaskets were changed on it w/out removing the carb. The car runs fairly well - probably quicker than most dish piston LG4s. Gets lousy gas milage but I don't care about stuff like that and I've never calculated gas milage on any vehicle I've owned.

I've had numerous 15-20 year old cars where the carb was never rebuilt - I know this because these cars came down through my family and went to the wreckers when I was done with them.

Usually when FI fails it leaves you stranded. A carbed car will run like schit but still get you home - also, a mechanical fuel pump can be changed on the roadside - try that with an FI system. Stuff like this is important in Canada where you can freeze to death on a side road. I had a pull-off fail on an Olds Delta in the winter - I rolled up the lid of a beer case and stuffed it down the air horn to keep the choke open - got me home no problem. It's usually easier to rig something on simple mechanical technolgy.

Carb = more power for less money. Carbed ZZ4 is about 350 HP and with TPI that drops by about 100 HP although you can spend a whack of money on the FI system to get your 100HP back.

I also, don't like having a high pressure FI system in the event of an accident.

As for being stuck in old school thinking and all the rest of it - that just isn't anything that matters to me at all and fuel injection has been around since the 1930s that I know of anyway so it's not all that new.

But at the end of it all it's just personal preferance and to each their own.

 

agreed ....its totally what you are into ...and thats it. I love what EFI does for me . Its a more exact thing ....kinda like Metric ya know ? The New device I have lets me switch between 8 different proms realtime ...as I am driveing. I don't even have to pop my hood . I make all changes from the cockpit. But I will tell ya . I got a 1985 MoteCarlo 305 carb'd . That thing starts everytime for me . But this is after the carb and disributor was redone. But it's like a new car . Works great ! But thats all I need for the winter .....its gotta start


As far as winter goes ....I am hunting for a rearend ( ditching 10 bolt)....and saveing for the paint to go on it next season .

 

Everyone knows Fuel Injection is the way to go......but you have to spend a LOT to get what a carb can do for you.

With budget in mind, a carb is much easier, less expensive, and more reliable.

I'd love to have an aftermarket FI system on my car, i think the tuneability is incredible. Problem is i cant justify $3500 for a GOOD, not even EXCELLENT, system. Add up a stand alone, injectors, intake modified, fuel system etc.....and you'll have a lot of CASH.

You can get a good carburated intake for less than $300 and a good carb for less than $400. And now you can expand and not be limited by runner length & all that bs.

Anyways, this is my way of seeing it. Someday i may have a speedpro fi system though.........some day.

 

Thats funny George has had 2, I've had 2, would you like to put your foot deeper in your mouth...

 

All I mean by this is this, we've been trying to get Pauls car running with this whole fancy DFI unit. Now, realistically there is "NO ONE" around that knows this stuff decently to let them touch it. Theres a shop Paul called, but he's wants $160/hr, and then it'll be a learning curve for him, because he's only mildly modified one DFI civic or something, let alone completely programming one.

All in all the amount of time effort and most of all money it will take to actually get this thing working for next summer would be incredible. Where as an afternoon, a carb/intake, and a few wiring changes, and he'd have it on the road. Maybe with less bottom end torque then the Super ram, but a lot more top end power.

There is none of this old school crap. Thats an excuse for people scared or who haven't worked with carbs. I used to be one of them. But you tell guys like Carm or anybody else running single digit numbers that there stuck in the stone age, and they'll laugh at you.

 

My car is originally a carbed car, and i actually had a pretty good setup on it(edelbrock performer rpm and a bg road demon carb) I have decided to go to fuel injection for a couple of simple reasons, the first is gas milage, the second is that i want to learn all i can about fuel injection, third i want it to be able to pass any road side emissions inspection, also i just dont care about power anymore, i lost all love for trying to make my car go fast when i seen how much money it takes to get into the 9 second area. I have been reading up on this swap for about a year now, and i know all of the down falls with going to fuel injection, but there is also the plus side.

 

If you want decent power, for an everyday driver thats fuel efficient, then FI is the way to go. But for something that just gets weekend duty, and was made to simply haul *** first and fuel isn't a concern, then a good DP is the answer.

 

I am dropping in a super charged 350,headers,18 inch wheels,all new suspension,sfc's,brakes,roll cage,seats,4 point harnesses,and all new weather stripping.You know,the basics .

 

wow you should market that perfect carb you have. you could make billions if you put one in every new car that is made. we are still talking about street cars right and not single digit race cars.

 

Thats about the only thing I have yet to see you type that I can sorta agree with.

Fast Street car = FI
Fast weekend warrior = Carb

Fuely is more expensive but also more eficiant, carb is cheap way to go, but gas guzzler (I have seen a few pretty expensive carbs out there mind you)

Also the charger set ups for Fuely cars are way more eficient too. just compare ATI's twin intercooled procharger to the old carb Roots style.

And as someone else mentioned, the GN's kick but with there turbo EFI's, but get some of them to post the $ spent to do it :P

personaly I'll take my TPI anyday of the week, I kinda like getting over 20mpg out of a 6.3L


P.S. When you make the billions marketing that mirical carb, send me a small check of say...... $500,000

 

What a bunch of worthless bull****. Some of you guys need to meet in person and work out your anger. I'm keeping the TPI. If I can't get it to run properly then it will get tossed.

 

Do you mean the $1000 it costs to run 12's or the $1800 it costs to run 11's? Aside from insane initial cost to buy one, TR's are the hands down market leader in ET/$ Just don't try to stop or turn. Yes, that can be solved with $ but what can't.

 

when you think of what GN's run stock with there V6, there can be no doubt about the power of boost

alas I want a charger for my car......................

 

My GTP only spools a few pounds of boost and it is still faster than most stock thirdgens.... Turbo/Super charging is a great cost effective way to make lots of power. I love it for daily driving... but it doesn't have the same coolness factor as V8 RWD rumble. Twin Turbo V8 is the ideal situation....

 

:hail:

 

I have an Olds LSS with the series II supercharged 3800. I have a 3.4" pulley and a gutted airbox. True the exhaust note is nothing to write home about but the whine of the supercharger makes up for it. Its a sleeper for sure. I'll punch it once in a while on the 401 and if the car beside me has their window down I get one of those WTF looks as I blow by them. I guess they don't expect to hear the whine of the supercharger comming from a granpamobile.

 

As for the Carb vs FI When it is working well I think the FI is nice starts up no need to warm up the engine just turn the key and go. But I do agree that for hot rodding the Carb is the biggest bang for the buck.

AS for the winter Project this years winter project will be to actually finish last years project. Things are going ok right now but I am having a real hard time finding 4th gen Trans am leather seats.