I finally bought some 24lb injectors for my 91 350. I have a Ed Wright fastchip so I sent an email to them and asked what kind of modifications I would need in the chip. They said they don't do chips for Accel injectors because they have had so many problems with them. WTF? This is the first I have heard any problems with Accel injectors. What experience have you had with them?

Also I was gettin ready to install them last night and they are a bit different than my stock injectors. I took the little clips off the stock ones. There are two grooves on the accels, one partial one in about the same placement as to single complete groove on the stock ones, and a completer groove in a position higher up. I have to use the complete groove on the accels to get the clip to rotate and this makes the injectors not go as far in as the stock ones. Plus the injector end had a blue plastic cover of some kind and now sticks out farther than the stock. When I put this on the base I am not sure it will bolt down OK due to the fuel rails setting up higher than before. What gives?

 

I guess Ed has his reasons. Don't use the clips.

 

They just said they had had problems with them. I did notice that they now include flow match data to show that they all flow close to each other. OK, no clips, some said they used them and others no. I pretty sure they are not necessary, unless it is to position the injector head in the fuel rail

 

I didnt use clips on mine and have had them for over a year with no problems.

 

I have 24# Accel injectors and he did my chip. The car runs great and I didn't have to send it back to "get it right". No codes or nothing.

 

Ditch the clips, don't need em unless you plan on pulling your rails with the injectors still in them and pressureizing the fuel system.
Coming up on 5 years of running Accel 24# injectors, they work just fine.

 

The only problem I had with mine was one of them started leaking through the injector body. Don't know how. They were on for over a year.
I use the clips.

 

I have Accel 30lb Injectors in my 88' 388 TPI IROC-Z. I used the clips, as long as the o-ring has enough pressure on it to seal, I don't see why you can't leave them out.

 

The Accel injectors are shorter body length (not nozzle length) that the stock injectors I pulled out. Not using the clips may cause them to push too deep into the fuel rails and then not seat propertly in the intake. I used my clips. Use the upper complete groove on the injector.

 

OK, thats what I was thinking too. better to use the clips. but overall length is longer, and if I use the clips the are longer yet than the stock. I wonder if I will be able to bolt the fuel rails to the base ok, It might push the injectors in and bend or break the clips, I will try it that way tho.

 

I have a 88 GTA with Rochester injectors which are longer than the Accel 24lb/hr. I would try the clips and test fit the rails. If they slide in and the rails seat on the intake your in good shape. If not, I guess I would lose the clips. Good luck.

 

I should have said I REPLACED my Rochester Injector with Accel. No problems using the clips

 

When they did my chip they too told me that they would rather not work with those injectors. In some cases they were true to what they should have been, ex:24lb/hr, and in other cases they were not true to the claimed rating, so customers were having problems and i guess it looked like fastchips was not doing their job right but in reality i guess they were?!. So i just returned them and got SVOs. Only Ford part on my car now, like it matters anyway for those who are brand loyal. lol Oh yeah, i did not use my clips. good luck

 

i have heard recently from a lot of 4th gen LT1 guys that i know, that Accel injectors have been coming up lately w/ a lot of problems... mainly that they have been locking up at "high" fuel pressures... one guy ran them on his car for a couple of months w/ about 40 psi then bumped it up to like 48 and the injectors locked up on him... there are various other stories like that, that i have heard... may be why Wright doesn't like to work w/ them... i know that for me i will end up running SVOs... even if the reports aren't true... cause i haven't heard of too many Ford injectors having the same problem...

 

i installed accel injectors like 2 months ago.had no problems used the clips everything is fine.

 

Well I installed the injectors, used the clips except for one which broke. Now all I have to do is get this @#@#$ Superram intake on so I can test them. Cant get the runners to base bolts in the bottom on. Tried a 1/4" swivel and hex wrench, looks like I will have to take the valve covers off

 

Put the bolts in the bottom of the runners before setting the runners in place, then set them in place and tighten.

 

I certainly tried that. There would be no way to stab the bolt in after the runners were in place. I put the bottom bolts in the runners, put the runners in place, then starte each end bolt to position the runners properly. Then tried to lift the bottom bolt and start it. Wouldn't start. Like I said, I think that those bottom bolt heads must be right against the groove in the runners above them to line up right. I couldn't lift the bolts and turn them at the same time and get them to start. I think with the valve covers off you could get a straight shot with the wrench. I don' know how else to do it

 

Did you try a ball end Allen wrench? Thats what the SLP's come with and it works fine.

 

Yeah, that's what I took off to put these on. The SLPs have a long bolt on the bottom runner that goes through and extended housing that brings the bolt head way out, makes them easy to put on. The superrams bolts on the bottom go through a very thin housing, putting the bolt head, waaaaaaaaaaayyyy under there. You can just barely see the head. Don't know why they couldn't have done it like SLP. Yes I am using a ball end hex wrench with a 1/4" swivel, extension and ratchet

 

Sounds like pullomg the valve covers may be the only option, and that sucks.

 

Pull the valve cover & remove the rocker that's in the way & use a t handled ball end allen wrench. That's the only way I could get mine on. When you get to the plenum, cut slots in the screws on the opposite end from the heads & use a small flat blade screwdriver from the top to "unscrew" tight. Glad I got rid of mine & got an HSR.

 

Thats what I figured. I saw on here where a guy said he got his on without removing the valve covers but I sure don't know how he could have. I saw where they said to slot the plenum to runner bolts. First how did you do that? Second, I thought that was just to get them started. Are you saying you tightened them only with that method and didnt put a ratche ont he heads for the final tightening? wow

 

I used a Dremel tool with a small cutoff wheel to slot them. Sorry to mislead you, I did do the final tightening with a small wrench from underneath.

 

Hows ed wrights operation work? like you drive around with a scaner, then e-mail him the log and a copy of your running bin? Then he makes changes and sends it back? then you do this 8 or 9 more times til he gets it close to right?

Maybe this is "off topic" but a guy tuning your car from 3000 miles away, and his only concern is that your injectors might not be exactly 24lbs/hr ??

you've got to be kidding right?

-- Joe

 

The dremel tool and cutoff wheel worked great. Got the runners on and ready to put on the plenum.

I bought a standard 350 tpi chip from Ed Wright about one year ago when my ECM and chip cratered. Since then I have learned a lot about DIY prom burning and just recieved a pocket programmer, software and a couple of chips. I sent Ed Wright an email, hoping to get some free tips and was just wondering why they said they "had a lot of problems" with Accel injectors, since I just installed a set on my car. No kidding

 

ed wright told me the same thing about my accel injectors, that he wouldnt burn a chip for me because i had them.....so i called street and performance electronics and they said they would have no problem doing it. if ed is having trouble with these injectors he should ask some of the other chip burners how the are doing it because they seem to have no trouble with them....just my opinion

 

A little off topic but i tried that route a year ago and got screwed
Ed Wright sent me a chip for my 'combo'. He overnighted me a piggyback board.
I called him for 5 days before I got a reply.
Two weeks later he calls me saying I didn't order the right part.
and a chip would be extra.I end up getting some of my money
back, but what a headache.
Stupid me tried again with Jim Paschall at ccs motorsports WHAT A *** he turned out to be, I made him datamaster files and he would then burn me chips. He did three that were worse than the last one. after that he just stopped. VISA sided with him because
he 'provided some service' got me for over $500.00 and 3 months
of my life. It sucks when you are smarter than these people and
the don't live up to what they promise.. I know I'm rambling but
GET A DFI or Burn your own chips,
I use accel injectors/dfi without the clips and have no problems.

 

I went to Ed Wright and he wouldn't burn me a chip with the Accel injectors either. He has a lot of experience with a lot of different combinations and i have seen dozens of people from all over the US get a great chip from him that was dead on the first time or second time. I put some SVO's 24's in my car and bought a custom chip from him and everything is working great. Only issue i have is the A/F ratio being to rich and dropping at like 4600rpms, but he will gladly for no extra charge correct it. I went ahead and dyno'd it and i am going to show him the dyno with the A/F ratio so he can get it right. Granted if your setup is really uncommon or unique.. it might take him a few times and it might take actual dyno-tuning to get a good chip.