THEGENERAL

hey i am in staunton illinois and lj is in litchfield .......central illinois...you???

Tibo

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Moweaqua, just south of Decatur. Myself, Momar, and Azzeker all live around here.

We could race....As soon as I get my intake back from Holley and other rear in.....

THEGENERAL

awsome we will have to get together some time for a little bs session all of us and get to know everyone....LOL

Tibo

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Sounds great! Shall we say about, when it is 40* warmer?

THEGENERAL

yeah i think that would be a great idea...LMAO...

its a little to chilly now..LOL

maybe this spring we can all get together and go have a thirdgen day or something and meet up somewhere in the middle ...
maybe a bbq or something ..

DON 88T/A

So if the next f-body(*** I hope)...has a panel that you can open to change the fuel pump in about 15 minutes or so...are you still gonna drop the rear and do it the "old" way?

Thats all thats trying to be proven here...

Wolfpack

You know adding an Access Hatch for that type of "racer" mod would be interesting if it was done correctly, you know a door, gasket seals, lock to keep it shut..etc etc... Would be really handy if you had to fool around with area of the car alot and would be really trick.

However just cutting the sheet metal out to replace a stock Pump with another stock pump(or mild performance one) is plain lazy imho. Seems like it would take just as long, opens another area up for rust, if its not sealed right you could have a problem with fumes/exhaust and *** know whatelse could go wrong.

Course they arnt my cars...

DON 88T/A

"I actually did have my mom help me...she made me lunch and told me when the filler neck was all of the way back in by the fuel door"

thats sweet...Hey little man when you get out in that big scary world and have to work all week to pay for your house and bills ect..(like me)..you'll understand why people do things to save TIME...

Make sure that room is clean before you reply...YOU'VE BEEN TOLD MISTER!!!

DON 88T/A

Yeah guys who try diffrent fuel mods ect...like modding there cars...ect would understand that...
Guys who like rolling around in the dirt with each other in overhauls...well that sounds like something we won't get into...

I tried to be nice with this but you ****ers won't quit...

sr.bond

thank *** for carb cars!no tank dropping and no hacking for us

cgb

Who cares...if you want to cut a hole do it...

BUT you guys have missed a VERY IMPORTANT POINT....


I've done it BOTH ways....and there is one GREAT BENEFIT to cutting / making an access panel from the top...


I don't have to be underneath the car and taking parts out..

Hmmm..that gas tank could use a nice paint job.... Hmm...those control arms could use replacing....hmm...the rear is kinda dirty..mine as well pull it all the way and detail it...mine as well change the fluid while I've got it out...Hmm...ETC ETC ETC

But don't listen to me...this is coming from someone who once did a bottom end job on an old Blazer in the parking lot of a truck stop with the engine in the truck... LOL

Tibo

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Yeah I am in college liiving at home right now, and my parents are kind enough to help me out. My dad is even an old racer.. I take no offense to your remarks. I consider myself very fortunate. I wouldn't be able to afford this car if I had to pay all those bills. I do pay for 100% of my car though. Sorry you do not find my dry humor amusing though. LOL

DON 88T/A

Tibo-just kidding with you...I was half-lit when I wrote it...
Nothing like waking up and finding out what you wrote the night before..

Take it easy man...

THEGENERAL

you better watch out your gonna end up getting a TWI.......Typing While Intoxicated...LMAO

kevinc

Coming from a guy who has this in his sig, I guess it's a safe assumption that your idea of making cars better is different than most peoples':

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1989 Formula: Old setup (exploded) 12.40 @ 119mph on street tires!
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The Nissans of the world that have access doors were designed that way by degree-bearing engineers, and have been crash-tested to ensure safety of the design.

That's the difference between a factory access door, versus one created by a shadetree hack w/ a sawzall.

kevinc

Yup, and in all likely failures it would only harm or kill the driver so no problem.

It's like the motorcycle saying goes..."if you don't think you need a helmet, you probably don't."

THEGENERAL

yeah thats what we have all been trying to tell these guys that do this to their rides forever...that its not done like a factory job .....

i like the explanation you put forth thou makes sense completely and im sure there will be some of the would be hacks out there try and slam it just because they did that to their cars...LOL

but no matter how much they try and make it sound like its the best "MOD" you can do to your car im sorry but it isnt .....

anesthes

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The fact that I trap a higher MPH than 99% of the members here,
or the fact that two pistons detonated after 5 years of hardcore racing?

Yeah, I think we have different ideas on what makes a car better.

-- Joe

http://www.singleplane-efi.com

kevinc

Slam away guys.

Like I said, it only puts you at risk of being sprayed w/ burning gas in a wreck, or poisoned by carbon monoxide. Doesn't increase risk to any innocent bystanders.

Darwinism in action either way.

kevinc

Or the fact that you blew your engine. Not trapping very fast if you can't keep the bottom end together.

Or the fact that you really believe pistons can "detonate".(Combustibles detonate, parts don't.)

Very different perspective.

THEGENERAL

couldnt agree with ya more..LMAO..these guys crack me up ...LOL...

i wonder whats next ? maybe they will be cutting holes fire wall of the car so they can unpin the dash and change the back sparkplugs like on a van easier...LMAO



LMAO

ljnowell

Thanks for calling me a moron. I appreciate that. No holes in my car, engine still in one piece. I must be a friggin' idiot!!

Savin time? I pay my own bills. I live in the "real world" but I dont do things like that. I need to change my u-joints, you guys want to save me some time and come and cut some holes in my floorboard, that way I dont have to get under the car. There is no excuse for doing it. It will take you as long to make the panel properly as it would to drop the tank, get rid of the pump and install an external. Its the same end result, and no holes in your damned car.

91rsowner4life

man i wish this post was around befor i went to the shop and spent $760 for them toput in a new fule pump!

jonarotz

iTrader: (26)

All you guys that think cutting the floor up is a good idea, what do you do for a living?

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Gosh, I figured after 5 years, it was due.

Ah yes, a play on words.

Correct, the fuel and air mixture ignited prior to the timed event of spark-ignition, THEN the pistons melted. Aluminum will burn in oxygen to form the trioxide aluminum(III) oxide, Al2O3.

To each their own.

-- Joe

anesthes

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I was wondering, could you pass over the the AOL online interaction handbook for newbies, or whatever else your referencing? This constant use of "LOL" and "LMAO" sorta reminds me of when the 16 year olds pop into IRC before getting klined.

.. And no, My plug changes (done at oil changes) take about 15 minutes from the top. But, I supose you wouldn't use headers either cuz, well GM didn't supply them with the car, so it MUST BE A HACK!

Infact, maybe I should remove all my aftermarket parts that stray from GM's original design. Wouldn't want to have a "hacked up" car, right?

Jeez, all these years WHAT was I thinking..

THEGENERAL

well where should we start...HmMM

im not 16 im 31 married and have 2 children so you can try and attack my age and web skills all you want it doesnt bother me mainly because im not 16 years old...

as for the headers where did that come from ....we are talking about HACKING UP a car for a job that is simple ...and no i had have headers on my impala on my 84 camaro on our 73 camaro my challenger had headers my truck has manifolds thou ...

as for it bieng a hack to put headers on a vehicle now your just grasping at straws arent you ........

call it what you want its going to be a hack job when you get lazy and cut holes in your car to do a job that doesnt require cutting up your car....just lazy ...

and before you bring it up someone else on here stated it better than ive heard before....about other cars haveing fuel pump access doors ...

those doors have been built into the vehicles by degree bearing professonals that crash test these vehicles with these doors and supports installed and test them numerous times for problems before they are released into the public for use on vehicles that get drivin on the steet ..so cutting a hole in your car and fabing up a door in your driveway isnt a good idea end of story......

oh and ...LMAO

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Well you don't act like it.

NO, we are talking about a modification to the car to make subsequent fuel pump changes easier. YOU LABELED IT A HACK. So I figured it was safe to assume, you would label any other modification a hack.


No sir, thats an opinion. A opinion carefully worded to help support ones side in an argument.

THEGENERAL

1. i dont act like it ? because i called cutting up a car a hack job?? or because i use internet abreviations ?

2. labeling an legitimate modification a hack is rediculous ....labeling someone cutting a hole in a car to change a fuel pump on a car that isnt necessary is a hack in my opinion and many many others on here

3. not an opinion , technically its a fact that any car with a trap door for a fuel pump change from the factory was tested durring crash tests and had many many hours of developement put into it ... .....the factory didnt have an afterthought in anycar and just cut a hole in it and bolt a door over the hole to make something easier for someone .....it would have been designed to be there from the get go..

TA

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I think the bones of contention here are several, the worst of which are several people that think they are "morally" right and anyone that disagrees needs their craftsmanship and work ethic attacked and ridiculed. I don't care how many cars you have worked on, how old you are our how many kids you have, this is a childish stupid attitude. Since you feel so passionately about trying to control other people, go play with your kids, before they grow up and realize that you never did.

Unfortunately, it is no better than arguing with much a closed minded person. Nobody is going to convince anyone of anything here. This argument long ago stopped serving any real purpose. Both sides of the argument are totally closed to the other sides' viewpoint. You are arguing with egos, not brains. Why do you persist? Let it go. Find something more constructive to do with your time than trying to make a pig sing because he insulted you. Is your ego that fragile?

There, that should have taken care of just about everyone...

IEatRice4dinner

i wouldent do it.

Tibo

iTrader: (15)

Anesthes,
I was wondering if you had done the "Mod" yourself? If you have, do you have a picture of it that you would have avalible to post? If not could you post a picture of a good job for me? I have tried a quick search but I did not find anything that looked safe(I found a duct tapped one).

P.S. please do it without making fun of me, if you do I'll have my mom tell your mom.

anesthes

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I've got a T/A coming by next week that we'll do that to.

I'll snap some pix and post it.

-- Joe

Tibo

iTrader: (15)

I also had the question that I forgot to post. Some one else had already started it though: I some one were wanting to do testing with many different pumps why not just go with an inline pump? I know there are less inline pumps, but are inlines bad enough to not even consider them for performance and reliability?

anesthes

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I experimented with running them. I prefer the intank. Its simply a personal preference with me.

-- Joe

89 Iroc Z

What about cutting the floor and installing a access door like this form moroso. How would that be bad?

THEGENERAL

And im glad you picked such an opertune time to join a thread and make yourself look so high and mighty by jumping in....

heres a clue for ya when the thread is called FUEL PUMP INSTALL IS NOT THAT HARD!!!!!......then you get guys such as me and many many others in here talking about how it isnt that difficult then why must people come in to only do one thing which is start an arguement about how cutting up a floor isnt a hack job ...your right in one way its all about ego's when someone has to come into a post about doing something correctly and start defending thier hack job...LOL



i have never once said anything about controlling other people either like you posted above .....

and yes it doesnt matter how many kids a person has...or if they are married but when someone comes into a perfectly good thread talking about doing something the proper way then i dont understand why others have to come in and start with the of saying how they did it faster by hacking up thier car......
all that is going to do is start a flame war.....and from the looks of it thats what he and a couple others here wanted too...

if you guys want to talk about cutting up the floor of your cars go to another thread or start a new one this one was to support the few guys out there that take pride in doing a job correctly and not cutting the **** out of their cars to save an hour or two ....

ljnowell

Yes, and in contrast, you are acting very mature.

Internet Rule #1 You are always right
Internet Rule #2 If you are not right, call the other person childish and ignorant.

THEGENERAL

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Awww, upset not everyone sided with you?? Don't pout, it will be ok.

-- Joe

ljnowell

Internet Rule #3 After acting like a weenie, and getting mad, Make sure to attempt to reverse the tables and act like the other person got thier panties in a bunch. This way you "keep face with your peeps"

THEGENERAL

LMAO

:hail:

anesthes

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Heh. You guys are funny!

-- Joe

ljnowell

Thanks. I mean, after all, the internet is a great place to have fun and that is why we are all here. Have fun, share knowledge, argue over stupid things.........

Tibo

iTrader: (15)

I am laughing at everything now. But I don't know who is being serious and who is kidding anymore?

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Your welcome.

-- Joe

ljnowell

Well, I seriously disagree with cutting a hole to change a fuel pump. However, I do seriously agree with having some fun. I am merely enjoying a good argument. I am sure the feeling is the same on the other side of the fence.

BTW, I sincerely meant that thanks I sent out. Those were some attempts at humor to disrupt an argument, I am glad they worked.

anesthes

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Thats what beer is for!

On a side note. I've just realized (after looking this eve) how CHEAP h beam connecting rods are these days.. Man.. You can have some of the knock off brands (cat) for around $270, or eagle "ESP" for about $319.. That is freaking cheap!

-- Joe

anesthes

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I started running my first dial-up bulletin board system on a Commodore 64 in the late 1980s, and by the time I shut it down in the late 1990's it was on an Amiga 2000 with 5 dial in lines and internet access. So, I'm not exactly "new" to the "Internet Rules"

The argument was really dead after it started. There are very few people I dislike on this board. I'll have a beer with any of ya, even if we dissagree. But don't think for a second I won't tell you I dissagree.

-- Joe

THEGENERAL

yes it was......

i am the same way i cannot hate someone on the net ..heck i dont even really know anyone and vise versa...correct?

and what would this world be without an argument to keep things in check ...LOL

ill skip the beer but if ya make it a CAPTAIN AND COKE then myself and ljnowell and i beleive trickster will be over.........