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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 06:04 PM
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MAF raise

Hey guys (and girls, no sexism here), read the whole post please cuz the title makes it seem like it should be in a different forum. I want to raise my MAF sensor above this hose, I have a rebuilt MAF and it has a pretty good length on the wire, I was wondering if you think it is ok to raise it above the hose (the hose is the one coming out of the radiator just above the current position of the MAF sensor). I was thinking about making CAI by getting the K&N cone filter and cutting a hole below the air cleaner assembly and putting the filter down there and then running aluminum tubing up and having it heighted over the current position of that hose. Im wondering if this is a good idea? Do you think the close proximity of the tubing and the hose would cause the hose to heat up faster and cause damage to it. I also would like to know if you guys think it is a good idea to put the air filter (without the air cleaning assembly) below the car under the hole that I would drill below the current location of the air cleaning assembly. I'm guessing that my car would get much better airflow, but it would also suffer a lot from the increased amount of dirt that would enter the throttle body.

Heres some shots of the sensor and the hose...





And a shot of where the hole would be cut...




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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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easily do able. Take a look into the SLP cold air kit. Many similarities to what you're talking about. Some TAs' and GTAs' came factory w/ the same set-up as the SLP(mine did). - If you're set on using aluminum tubing, don't polish it. I woud highly reccomend wrapping it w/ some type of heat tape/wrap, like header wrap. - Try leaving it bare, drive the car for a while around town, then set your hand on it...cold air hell....
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I would love to get an SLP CAI, but the fact is, I dont really have the money for it. I figure this design should be similar to the SLP design, which you agreed with. I originally wanted an 89 GTA, but I ultimately decided to go for this Trans Am, it was only $1200 and I wanted a standard. I understand that when Pontiac "fixed" the air intake problem on the later models of these cars, they cut out the screens on the MAF sensors and made an open element. I have heard that cutting the screens on my Trans Am would be a terrible thing to do. I am wondering why, would that much more dirt get into the engine, and if so, why did Pontiac do it on their later models. I'm also interested in the open element idea for my car. Would it be a good idea to place the filter futher down in the engine and go without an air cleaner assembly, is it ok for me to also cut off the MAF screens?


I used this article for some information
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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On my car Dyno Don relocated the radiator overflow hose for me. This opened up a ton of room in the area. Look closely in the attached picture. OOp's Wrooooong picture. Check next post.
The attached picture shows my 3.5 inch Mufflex exhaust and how tucked up it is.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 08:17 PM
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Let's try again.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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On my car Dyno Don relocated the radiator overflow hose for me.
The hose I was referring to is not the Radiator overflow hose, in fact, I just bought a new overflow tank yesterday so I do not have a overflow tank or hose in my car right now. I've noticed that the location of your air filter is higher than most of the ones I've seen for these cars (the ones I've seen have been below the current location of the air cleaning assembly), where do you think better air flow is, below the air cleaning assembly, or where 1989 GTATransAm's air filter is? I've also notcied you have a cut up aluminum frame around ur air filter, does this serve to be a sort of cut-out box. That seems like a pretty good idea, if it does what I think it does, helps keep out more dirt without affecting the flow of air too much. I dont see an MAF though, did u switch to MAP?
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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The air flow is the same whether in the location I have or in the lower position. The aluminum frame is to help isolate the hot air of the engine compartment from the air filter compartment so that the engine gets cold air.

There is foam rubber attached to the hood (unseen) to block off the air. So the compartment is pretty well isolated from the engine. The air is taken in from the fender well area as on the SLP unit. Yep, I switched to MAP recently.

The inside of the MAF is around 2 7/8 inch or a little less. This is about the same as the intake diameter on a Camaro where it transitions to the flat area from the round. In our club there is a modified Camaro intake that has that area opened up. A solid 7 RWHP gain on the dyno in an AB test. Should be the same horsepower gain by eliminating the MAF as the inside diameter is the same as the factory Camaro intake. I went to a 3.5" intake system.

Going to the Dyno this Saturday so I will report.

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