CHEVY_EATER

My freind has a 90 IROC and ran 14.63 @96 and since then had heads ported & polished and SLP cam installed. The car has stock exhaust I believe and only other mods are Hyper stg II chip and air foil. He says 14.0's..I say no way..Thanks

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Graeme'sFirebird

id say a 14. Nice name to have on a chevy site.

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1972 Chevy Chevelle "Malibu"
Hooker Headers, Flowmaster 40 series mufflers, accel 8.8 wires,Edelbrock performer intake Edelbrock Carb, Msd Blaster 2 Coil, Torque Thrust "D" wheels
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In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

CHEVY_EATER

All in good humor;0... I look at what other guys are running on here and it doesn't seem possible. By the way.. the heads have stock valves,springs,and rockers. He used the stock lifters and pusrods also. The engine had 100,000 on it. I didn't think that the port and polish would make that much of a difference with stock exhaust. He said if I beat him he is going to sell it.. I've yet to run my car with T-5 so I don't know what I'll be for sure but should be low 14's easy if not high 13's..

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93 GT 5.0 engine,tranny, and the good stuff..even pony floor mats ...oh ya..shiny shift **** too

rezinn

That cam, depending on which it is, could be good for 30 horsepower, and the porting could be another 10 or so. I'd say more like 14.2s, 13s with headers.

RW91B4C

I dont think he'll need headers to get in the 13s, just some tweaking and more free mods. My stock 305 is almost there and it doesnt have a cam, so a 350 should get in the 13s easier

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91 B4C 305 TPI - SOON TO BE 383
TREMEC 5-SP, STOCK 1-BOLT REAREAND w/342 GEARS, K&N, AIRFOIL
EDELBROCK HEADERS, DUAL CAT TO HOMEMADE Y-PIPE & 3.5" SINGLE PIPE W/ FLOWMASTER, CRANK PULLEY, MSD, FUEL PRESS REG, COWL HOOD, WELD WHEELS
14.1@ 98MPH
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67 CAMARO - STREET CAR, BIG BLOCK, PUMP GAS
350TH w/ATI 10", 12-BOLT w/373 GEARS
10.47@129 1.55 60FT. ON MOTOR - ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS

Beast5spdGTA

Is it a 350? I could see him picking up 40hp with the slp cam and mild porting with the stock exhaust. Watch out if he gets that thing tuned better also.
I run 96mph, with the stock cam, stock heads, and stock intermediate pipe in my 305 T5, 3.42 gears. A 350 should make it to the 13s w/o headers in my opinion. But who knows, they all run different, I beat up on a TPI corvette last weekend that had at least cat-back exhaust on it(2-3cars)...Poor kid, i guess his car looked nicer than mine though. I won't talk about the mostly stock AWD DSM that whooped my *** , watch out for those turbo all wheel drive cars.

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14.62@96mph headers, muffler, chip, ghetto stuff, duct tape
89 GTA 305 TPI 5 speed 3.42 gears

CHEVY_EATER

Yes, it is a 350. My car with only pullies and a drop in K&N ran 14.9@94 when I still had the junk AOD in it. That was with all stock exhaust,no shift kit..nothing. And my 60 ft's were horrible 2.3's. With the T-5 and Nitto's I should be at least 14.0 probably high 13's. I now have Mac 1 5/8 shorties, MAC Pro Chmbr,and Mac cat back,BBK cold air and 14 degree timing. My car has the stock 3.27's in it also. After I put the exhaust on and cold air I ran it only once at track because my AOD died that night . I ran 14.84@96.5...

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BuckeyeROC

I'd say 14.0 is possible. Gofasterbird on here had a similar setup and ran a 14.0 with untouched heads, his exhaust might have been aftermarket at the time though, not sure.

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nblanchard

You expect to pick up a full second just with a manual tranny? In my opinion.... A Automatic will give you a better time. I always find you Mustang guys over-rate the car. I have only met a couple Mustang owners that I could have a good conversation with without them saying "my car wil beat yours" every 5 seconds.

Tell ya what... just wait until you two go to the track, and then you'll see who is faster. And a 350 TPI will make a decent run. I have my bet with him :P

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1988 Pontiac Trans Am GTA L98 5.7L, Black on Black with 114,000kms.

Best ET 14.559 @ 95.25MPH
Custom 3" Stainless Exhaust Y-Pipe back (High flow Cat and Flowmaster Mufler)

CHEVY_EATER

this is chevy_eater friend I have a 91GT that has not been beat by a rag out slow maro with tpi or sl1. mine has a few mods. but still have stock motor,heads,cam. with gears, exhaust,slicks and run 12.90 at 108mph with no nos. find me a chevy with about 4000.00 worth that comes close I have not yet even vett sorry to disapoint you but thats what happens. jrsstang

irocbsa

blah, blah, blah. If you're goin 12.9 and you say you haven't been eaten by an LS1 you're a real bad liar. Go take your bull**** to a Mustang site. You do drive a Mustang, right?? I don't see why you pustang jokers come around here. THIS IS A FORUM FOR THIRD GENERATION F-BODIES. If you can't figure that out from the URL then I can't help you. You have nothing to contribute that is worth a **** to anybody here.


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'87 IROC, 355 TPI, Converted to SD, 700R4, B&M Megashifter, 3.42, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge Heads, Edelbrock Intake, Accel Runners, Comp Cam, Crane Gold rockers, Lucas 24# injectors, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster 3'' exhaust, Mallory Ignition, Shift Kit, Corvette Servo, 2,000 Stall Torque Converter

1991 RS, 305 TBI, T-5, Bone stock daily driver.

breathment

wut the ƒuck is an sl1? get a life ƒag

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88' GTA 5.7L TPI MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass, Gutted CAT, Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler added to Unkown CatBack, Ported Intake

http://www.geocities.com/david_angel_16

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CHEVY_EATER

*** at least my car seen 12's *** munch so what i messed up with ls1 but you really did when you bought that raged out slow-maro and besids I do not see that when I"M about three cars ahead. we just asked about his car and you already talking **** about mustangs to bad you know what rules up north just trying to cover it. jrsstang

CHEVY_EATER

*** at least my car seen 12's *** munch so what i messed up with ls1 but you really did when you bought that raged out slow-maro and besids I do not see that when I"M about three cars ahead. we just asked about his car and you already talking **** about mustangs to bad you know what rules up north just trying to cover it. jrsstang

b92z28

most of these mustang guys come around here because they get embarrased by the other mustang guys because they know nothing. they just want to lie about things to look "cool". and about rusted out camaros, my camaro only runs 14.25s i can admit that but theres no rust. now you want to talk about my firebird, well thats a different story. how about low 12s no bottle and i just pulled the motor out because it wasnt fast enough. a 377 and glide are in its place now and waiting for you little mustang boys who think they are fast because you have flowmasters and k&ns.

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92 z28 170,000 miles 14.20 on goodyear eagles before exhaust only mods k&n and slp 13/4 headers and dual 2 1/2 exhaust
87 trans am 12.20 on motor too many mods to list

RMK

I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken the people on this board for people who actually give a $hit! Fu*k off to one of the mustang boards and grow up.

nblanchard

I hope I catch this Mustang with Slicks at the track someday so I can see him launch his tranny and/or rear-end. Seen it many times before at the track in Cayuga. I'll meet this guy up on the street with street tires anyday!! Like I said before... I like some Mustangs.. the ones that aren;t all ****y, and that aren't done up liek something they aren't (IE. Cobra. Saleen, GT.. etc)

Which track did you use to get your ET figures? Cause 12.9 stock stang seems high, since my friend had a stock 1991 Mustang, and I KNOW he didn't do 12.9, and he knows how to shift very well. Now there was a Mustang that I appreciated, cause it was a LX 5.0L, and it stayed that way... no ***got fan tails!!.

Go back and wack off with your Rustang Homo's

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1988 Pontiac Trans Am GTA L98 5.7L, Black on Black with 114,000kms.

Best ET 14.559 @ 95.25MPH
Custom 3" Stainless Exhaust Y-Pipe back (High flow Cat and Flowmaster Mufler)

ImportsRsloths

Thats pretty cool Chevy Eater.... thats bad *** that Ford threw a V8 in an escort.... and hey your dumb @$$ bought one!!!! Way to tear it up with them pullies and air filter!

BuckeyeROC

A good friend of mine has a 92 GT 5.0 w/ 5 speed, Hurst shifter, 3.55 gears, headers, and some cooling system mods. He runs low 15's.

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CHEVY_EATER

we have a buddy with 134500 miles on it and all stock and he does 14.59 on street tires lets see you do that with a stock camaro. for the guy with the smart remark about rust sorry pal no rust here look under your car in the back if their is one.

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Hey guys,

First off. I hate to take sides with the mustang guy, but I'm not 100% sure that motor is gonna pull all that better with the cam and heads. Depending on the SLP cam. I run SLP's cam and think its great - if you have other mods to support it. Before I got my
timing just right, traction just right, etc, I was pulling low 14's all day long. I managed to wade that down to a 13.50, with still many breathing problems. I don't think that car will breath, and exhale enough for that cam to be of any good use. 14.0, maybe, 14.2 - 14.4, most likely.

Secondly, I grew up in Chevy and Ford shops. I like Chevy, my friends like ford, and frankly I don't mind admitting that I've probably built more mustangs than you have even been in. I also know that a stock 5.0 with a vortech supercharger goes about 13.2
or so.

The fact is, a 5.0 has about 225HP. The
absolute most your gonna get with the supercharger is maybe another 100HP. I've
run the stock 5.0's, the absolute best I've
seen them run is a 14.5 with a T5. With
an AOD, I've seen high 14's, low 15s.

As far as the automatic vs standard debate, its dead and over. Want your the truth? Ive been racing at the track for many, many years. I run a standard. I've talked to old timers, who run automatics and asked them why they don't run a stick. THey don't tell me standards suck, they don't tell me autos are faster, they tell me they don't want to rip
their car apart, they don't want to shock their crank too much, and that their car just can't "drive" without a automatic.

Some people clame that they can't shift fast
enough to make a standard usefull, but most of those people are in the 8 second brackets
- and I almost agree with them, shifting manually can cost them almost 5 tenths.

P.s, I have a timeslip in front of me of when
I ran against one of those new LS1 trans-ams
this past summer, at New England Dragway,
in Epping, NH. (1/4 mi of course)

This is a 6 speed car, with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. He ran a 13.994 at 101.50 mph, 2.217 60 foot.

-- Joe

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1989 Formula 350 4-bolt mains, Forged .030 TRW pistons, SLP 51010 Roller Cam, Comp-cams roller lifters,
Summit 1.5 roller rockers, World Products Sportsman II 2.02/1.60 heads, Edelbrock TPI Intake,
Cloyes Double Roller timing chain, Mellings oil pump: 13.5 @ 100.23 MPH

Since close of track : Ported SLP runners, Ported Plenum, AFPR, Autometer 100lbs F/P gauge, A/F ratio gauge, MSD 6AL.

http://www.joesperformance.com

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branz28

n/m I don't in on this flame war. Not worth your time argueing guys. Save it for the stop light races.

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CHEVY_EATER

the 91GT isn't stock but your time of 14.559 can be beat buy one. you got to realize that chevy std tranny's are junk but ford aod are your freind with the 92GT made the wronge mods sorry he is not as dumb as you and got a junk Gm. if ford mustang are escorts then then you can tell me what the taillight are if your lucky because thats all you see. SORRY U GAY GUY's CAN"T TAKE THE TRUTH.

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

Hi,

Not really flames. More of facts, I don't care whos car is faster. My buddies mustang pulls 10 seconds, and pops wheelies.

Racing is fun. Everyone wants to beat the competition, but its all in good fun. It doesnt really matter how fast we go, cuz someone will alwasy go faster. My bike goes faster than anyones car on this board. That doesn't make it better.

-- Joe


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1989 Formula 350 4-bolt mains, Forged .030 TRW pistons, SLP 51010 Roller Cam, Comp-cams roller lifters,
Summit 1.5 roller rockers, World Products Sportsman II 2.02/1.60 heads, Edelbrock TPI Intake,
Cloyes Double Roller timing chain, Mellings oil pump: 13.5 @ 100.23 MPH

Since close of track : Ported SLP runners, Ported Plenum, AFPR, Autometer 100lbs F/P gauge, A/F ratio gauge, MSD 6AL.

http://www.joesperformance.com

Mkos1980

iTrader: (8)

I ran 14.15 nearly bone stock.

breathment

hey chevy_eater, either way, your a flamming **** sucker

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- David
88' GTA 5.7L TPI MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass, Gutted CAT, Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler added to Unkown CatBack, Ported Intake

http://www.geocities.com/david_angel_16

BuckeyeROC

You are the one who can't take the truth. You came here looking for facts, we gave them to you, you didn't like what you saw, and you started crying and calling people names.

Fact 1: I have a friend with a Firebird who had a very similar setup to your friend's 90 IROC. He ran 14.0 with it.

Fact 2: Another friend of mine has a 92 GT with the mods listed above, he does run low 15's, still.

Your car might run better than both of these and your friend's IROC might run like crap. You could run 13.7 and he run a 14.5. Who knows, go race him and find out. But don't get an attitude and start **** just because you can't accept what we are telling you.

Am I "dumber" than my friend? He has NEVER beaten my car, ever. Not even when it was close to stock. Now I run over 2 seconds faster than him in the 1/4 mile and have a hell of alot better looking car.

And please type in a somewhat coherent manner. I'm not big on spelling or grammar, but DAMN!

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Bird_of_Prey

i don't think that camaro will go any faster then 14.30.. if that.. still some bottlenecks in the exhaust.. if he did some really really good tuning (and got rid of that chip) mayhaps he could get 14's or a bit lower..
not riping on the chip, i got hypertech stage II chip also.. so i know what it does.. and not that much over stock. (some, but not much)
and as for all this flaming? i got 3 mustang friends, one 88 GT, one 88 LX notchback 5.0 (with pretty much a crate motor waiting for a supercharger) and a 91 LX 5.0.. the gt and 91 lx are 5 speeds, i can beat them off the line but their second gear is better then mine.. yes, 700R4 stock suck.. but my friend's done up 88 lx.. damn.. that thing moves.. and well. i have respect for them because they have respect for me.. get what i mean..
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My freind has a 90 IROC and ran 14.63 @96 and since then had heads ported & polished and SLP cam installed. The car has stock exhaust I believe and only other mods are Hyper stg II chip and air foil. He says 14.0's..I say no way..Thanks
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who started this flaming stuff?.. it dosn't seem like he did..
pitifull if you ask me.


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87 formula
LB9, Automatic
K&N
3" mandrel bent exhaust,
v-force muffler
Hypertech preformance

MikeS

Forgetting about all the car stuff for just a minute...Chevy_Eater, please learn to spell, type, and make sentences. It'll make it easier on all of us. You're making quite a statement for youself.

BuckeyeROC

He DID start the flames, with this post!

blue2000ss

As for CHEVY-EATER's friend he has not lost to a LS1 because I have one and he beats me right now. But what he failed to tell you is that he has a kenne bell supercharger running 8lbs of boost with 1 5/8 LT's and cold air and full exhaust and a bunch of other goodies. So he will beat anything on this board, just about. and we race at Napierville, Quebec so if anyone wants to race.

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00 ss camaro
rk sport,lid y-pipe,loud mouth exhaust,160 thermostat, bmr LCA's and APHR
13.47@105 (without BMR stuff)

camaro6spd

RW91B4C
I like the 1 bolt rear end
ALSO...this guy should get a Cat-back. stock sucks.

FAST383

Chevy Eater, First of all you run only run 12.9's on 8lbs of boost. If what the other member (BlueSS I think) said is true and I don't doubt him, 12.9's on 8 lbs is weak. Your car's weak and so is your story. If you want to bring your pansy a$$ down to Columbus I'd be glad to beat you with my lowly LT1 or, TL1 if you understand that better. I guess they don't call them 5slows for nuthin'.

nblanchard

I know you would be beat there Chevy_Eater... At least I can admit when I am beat.... But don't base a race on facts.. get out there and race the "slowmaro" as you call it. And as for my car... I have NO rust what so ever... And my car wil be doing better times come next season. And BlueSS2000, thanx for the info... now the 12.9sec basically stock stang makes sense. A supercharger is NOT stock.

And I have respect for mustangs... more so the classic ones and ones that look stock with no ground effects or fan tails.

Take it to the track... oh... and go sign up for English 101... you need to polish up on your grammer. Unless you are french, then I can understand.

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1988 Pontiac Trans Am GTA L98 5.7L, Black on Black with 114,000kms.

Best ET 14.559 @ 95.25MPH
Custom 3" Stainless Exhaust Y-Pipe back (High flow Cat and Flowmaster Mufler)

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BuckeyeROC

12.9? I'll race you, I don't have any power adders, just N/A.

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nblanchard

Hey BuckEye... What are your ET's? Just curious I'd race anyone... Just cause its fun.

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1988 Pontiac Trans Am GTA L98 5.7L, Black on Black with 114,000kms.

Best ET 14.559 @ 95.25MPH
Custom 3" Stainless Exhaust Y-Pipe back (High flow Cat and Flowmaster Mufler)

b92z28

you asked about a stock camaro? when i first rans my 92 L98 z28 it ran 14.25 BONE STOCK, no mods. thats with 168,000 miles and on goodyear eagle street tires. now i have raced many a stangs in this 14.25 bone stock car and won my fair share of races against both 5.0 and 4.6 mustangs. but dont get me wrong ive lost a few also. and as for the 12.9 out running most cars here, come on man dont be stupid. my 87 bird ran 12.20s with a mild 355. it now has a 377 and i expect at least another second to drop of the et. and this is on motor only, no blowers, superchargers, or nitrous. so before you claim to be the fastest car around, shut your mouth and open your eyes for a while.

Free Bird

iTrader: (1)

My friend w/ a 91 TA BONE stock ran a 14.3X w/ 190,000 miles on it.

91RamAir Formula

well here is my .02 with a stock cam and heads with mods in sig I ran a best of 13.65 @99.8mph and I waxed a supercharged 4.6 I could not believe it when he told me he had a blower. My car also has 116K mi on it.

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91 Formula 350 TPI,ASCD RA hood,1.6rr's,aluminum driveshaft,SLP 1 3/4" headers Mufflex3.5",AS&M SSM runners matched plenum, chip,TCI trans.

RWHP=261 RWTQ=349

REDNECK302

Its pretty bad when GM cant make a 305 keep up with a 302. they have to use a 350 and it still cant keep up with a little 302. buy a ford and solve all your probs

RMK

For a start, 13.4 is a crap time for a SS. I've seen them hit 12's stock and so has your mustang and fast ford magazine.

Secondly. If you think you're faster than anything on this board, let's set up a race with Darcom, Guido or Andris. Guidos old car was in the low 11s. As for the other 2 I have no idea what they run, but my money would be on them. Ahhh, you'll hit out with the bigger engine $hit. Race Willie then, he's got a 305....and he'll take you to. Moral of the story: don't talk smack when you have no idea what others are running. No matter who you are there's always someone faster.

Fact 3. You can't spell for $hit.

Regards

Rob

Jasper89ROC

Never lost to an LS1 huh??? I got a friend with an 01 T/A with just headers, a converter, some intake mods, couple suspension mods and a cutout, I guarantee he would beat you by at least a second if your car is runnin a 12.9. Now Im not speaking for him, im not sayin hes gonna race you, just sayin there is plenty of mild bolt on LS1 cars that will stomp your blown stang.

CHEVY_EATER

OK...

First of all, I I wanted to know was your opinions on my friends car since this IS a site for this car. What sense would it be to go asking the Corral or Stangnet?? And as faras the 5spd VS. the auto.in a Mustang the AOD has a crappy 2.40 1st compared the the LOW 3.35 of the T-5 giving it a hell of a better gear ratio. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! I am not just pulling the times out of my a$$..I asked alot of people as to what I would gain and I found it to be at least 6-8 tenths. BUT.. I'm going to have Nitto's also so I should gain more with traction. AND as far as stock Mustang 5.0s go..go look it up..ever Seen a Muscle Mustang & Fast Forg Mag. There Project Stocker 88LX ran 13.6's with only 3.55's,short belt,K&N and sway bar disconnected...ask Johnny Hunkins..who used be editor I believe. I am not trying to dis anyone,just wanted to know..guess I wasted time except for a few people in here that are in the same world as me...My friends SC 91 GT ran 12.9's with the crappy stock air meter (58mm) and puny 19lb injectors, and a 2500 launch. Once the AFR 165 go in and 80mm air meter,35 lb injectors and custom chip...HELLO 11'S..thanks

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CHEVY_EATER

No doubt LS-1's are fast. They are the best bank for the buck..if you have $25-30,000. But when it comes to bang for the buck in the 80's early 90's..5.0 mustangs are hard to beat. Maybe that is why Mustangs live on and Camaro's and Firebirds...well R.I.P.

breathment

alright, ill let u tell me why GM put out the 305.. since ur the allmighty smart one.

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88' GTA 5.7L TPI MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass, Gutted CAT, Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler added to Unkown CatBack, Ported Intake

http://www.geocities.com/david_angel_16

Momar

The 305 was not the greatest design but can be fast. The main problem with it is that it has to small of a bore to fit larger valves. If you match that up to a chevy 302 it changes the story a little.

CHEVY_EATER

There is also this thing called power to weight ratio..which is in the favor of Stangs also..but mine with my heavy stereo(150+lbs),1/2 tank of gas and me in it was 3500lbs...and take 45 off for the AOD being gone also..most are ALOT lighter than this. My 88LX was 300lbs lighter..

CHEVY_EATER

And..if u compare a 350 vs.a 351...94 Cobra R's with the 351 runs 13.1's at 107 stock with only 3.08's in it on stock BFG Comp T/A's...and is only rated at 300HP..if only it was available in the GT's too..

CHEVY_EATER

And..if u compare a 350 vs.a 351...94 Cobra R's with the 351 runs 13.1's at 107 stock with only 3.08's in it on stock BFG Comp T/A's...and is only rated at 300HP..if only it was available in the GT's too..

BuckeyeROC

I thought an LS1 was 346 cid.? Doesn't matter. If you are gonna compare the Cobra R to anything, it should be compared to the ZO6 Corvette, which has the LS6 engine. It runs low-mid 12's BONE stock, the new ones are faster and rated 20 HP higher (405 HP) than the older ones. Also, too bad you can't get the LS6 in an F-body Or the ZR-1 Corvette that was around in 94 and ran 12's w/ 405 HP.

And yes, the Fox body Stangs do have the advantage of being lighter than the 3rd gens, especially the LX's.

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