ok, the car has an overheating problem and once it gets close to the red, the exhaust manifolds glow an orange color. anyone have any ideas?

 

uuum usually glowing orange metal means EXTREMELY F-IN HOT!

i wouldnt know where to start man, maybe u need some new ignition parts like plugs and wires, dist cap, rotor etc..

if those parts go bad they make everything else work harder which could cause the over heating. or maybe your water pump is shot...i really couldnt say. start with the spark plugs...or get the ecm checked for codes

 

Could be a couple different things. Possibly a plugged catalytic converter or timing could be way off.

 

Sounds like you need to retard your timing or replace your distributor

 

Yup, I had a collapsed/clogged Cat in my jeep and it was so hot that it was orange and singed the matting under the carpet. Luckily I had water with me. The mechanic told me, and I guess it makes sense, that the heat has no where to go but back up through the system. If it can't get out the back it'll go through the sides.

It actually created a dry spot on the gravel road i was on (early morning, everything damp) !!

 

I thought it was the cat too, but had it cut off. ran it without a cat, same problem... then put a new cat on there, same problem. I didn't have this problem until i changed my injectors so probably has something to do with that. im thinking the injectors were no good since they were rebuilt. probably clogged/stuck. i put fuel system cleaner in already, think it helped slightly for like one day.... I will do a fuel pressure test and see if that tells me anything

 

I have adjusted the timing already also... the distributor was replaced about a year ago. the rotor was replaced a second time about 6 months ago, but turned out to not be the problem at the time. I believe I adjusted the timing properly... I unplugged that lil connector that has just a tan wire with a black line, then cranked up the car and used my timing gun to look at the timing mark. set it to 0 using the distributor and turned the car off. plugged the connector back in and then unplugged the battery for 10 minutes. plugged it back in and cranked her up... no difference in the way it runs. when in the first couple of gears (standard shift) as I'm trying to accelerate, the car surges real hard, jerking back and forth like hell. I have to ride the clutch half way just to keep it from doing that until it gets to 2000 rpms or so. she can hardly climb the slightest hill, lot of clutch-riding and she just goes like 3 miles an hour lol. i wonder if having had bad injectors can make the sparkplugs go so bad to do this? maybe those rebuilt injectors are no good anyway...

 

Timing set at 0*? I believe it should be set at 6* for yor ride. Check the sticker on the underside of your hood, but I'm almost postive all TPI's stock timing should be 6*

 

6* degrees is base timing for your car. Definitely put it there and see how it does.

 

Yes set it to 6*

 

Did you have the memcal out of the ECU? Sounds like the same condition you would experience if you ran your car without a memcal or the memcal re-installed backwards?

Jeff

 

Where is 6 degrees on the timing fork? and what is a memcal?

 

If you dont know what a memcal is then chances are you did not have it out. . .this is a good thing! Check your fuel pressure next

 

its right here. you may need to clean some crud off to see it on your engine.

 

i made a pic of the timing tab in this thread https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...ming-help.html

set it at 6 btdc .

 

don't think I removed it...all I remember removing were the plenum runners, plenum, the throttle body, the fuel rails, and a bunch of screws and bolts....and the injectors of course. Where is the memcal located? maybe I did something to unplug it or mess it up?
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ok I will adjust it, but don't think just 6 degrees can make much of a difference on the way she runs. but at least its one thing out of the way.

 

memcal is inside the ECM .
there is a big difference between 6 degrees and 0 .

 

that engine is running way rich.

 

Hot manifolds are usually a sign of late ignition timing, especially when at or near idle. I presume that it is near idle when you can be in a position to see it...

Scot

 

I notice them glow when I get out of the car and pop the hood. I can either leave it running and see it or shut it off and get out of the car quick enough to see it

 

Ok, i adjusted my timing to 6 degrees btdc. idle sounds better, but still overheats, still surges badly as I pick up RPMs, has such little power, rumbling backfiring every time you take your foot off the gas. white smoke comes out for just a couple seconds after you crank it, but it was doing that before all the problems... oil pressure is between 35-40 which i think is normal... temp gets no lower than about 220 or so (right above the half mark whatever # that is) even with the heater on (which cools the engine down). next, I'm going to check the fuel pressure and probably put in a new regulator and one that adjusts along with some injectors that have had a good pressure test and r working. I'm going to get rid of those stupid Ford rebuilts i put on... if anyone has any other thoughts, I'll consider them cuz I am so ready to have a nice ride in it again.

 

Your headers are glowing due to either a lean condition or late timing. Since you set the timing to 6* and its still doing it, it's probably running super lean, and the fact that it is surging points to this as well.

My guess is your plugs are already fried but pull off a spark plug to confirm that it is lean. If it is healthy it will be intact, no pitting on the tip and slightly brown. Lean will look pitted, white with deposits in it. If it is black and sooty, too rich, and then your problem can be tied to a rich condition. Knowing this will at least put you in the right direction.

Get a fuel pressure reading and get back to us.

 

In some way you have a lean condition , injectors or fuel pump or pressure regulator .

 

Glowing headers = lean.

These new injectors are they the same ratong as the old ones. If not that could be why its happening. I believe stock are 19 lb on all 305s and some 350s and 22 lb on some later 350s.

 

the injectors i ordered are supposed to have been 19lb injectors, but what was in the car to begin with, i dunno but i assume it had to have been 19lb ones becuz there r no mods to the car that i know of

 

ok, its been a while since I've been on this site, but for those of you who have tried helping me with this post, just lettin you all know wat I found out to be the problem. it was definantly the injectors and should have had them pressured tested becuz I had them for a few months sitting in my hatchback before I finally put them on. BAD IDEA, cuz I was driving alot one day and the engine caught fire near the exhaust manifold from the fuel dumping that the injectors must have been doing. The camaro is toast now, back in late august this year...if I ever get me another one, I sure wont make that same mistake again. broke my heart to watch her burn.....

 

That sucks.

Sorry for you loss.