I'm looking to rebuild a t5 for a v6. I've been told the input shaft, and main shaft are toast, along with the bushings and bearings.

I am wondering, what are all the differences between a v6 and v8 tranny? I see the bushing/bearing rebuild kit is same. I am sure the input shaft is different. Quite sure the gears creating different ratios inside is different. But is the main shaft different? I'm not finding much for rebuild parts on the v6 side.

If anyone has a complete parts listing for both trannys, I would love to get ahold of them. OO, also with an s10 2.8 t5 parts list too.

 

Yes the clutch gear and countergear are different.

The mainshaft is the same; but you need a press to change out gears.

The bearings are all the same no matter what engine or brand of car. The only difference is the 1st design (87 back in these cars) vs 2nd design (88 up).

If your trans is smoked so bad that you need to replace the mainshaft, it'll be cheaper and easier BY FAR to just go to the boneyard and get another one, rather than futz around with a wasted pile of shrapnel.

 

Thanks for info RB

I have ordered another trans to get the car going. This 5sp swap has cost me 3x as much as planned. Everything that could go bad, has.

Since this other trans taken apart, I am wanting to learn how to build a tranny. Now that I have a new one coming, I'd like to learn on this old one at my own pace. Hope that makes sense


Anyone got some part numbers they could send me?

 

I don't think you quite understood:

Go buy a WHOLE OTHER transmission, and if all you want is practice rebuilding one, take it apart and put it back together. It will cost you probably less than half, maybe less than ¼, as much as "repairing" the smoked one. Those hard parts are HIGH. One gear will cost near as much as a whole transmission from the buzzard, and a mainshaft costs about as much as 2 gears. Plus you'll have to buy a kit, and maybe there will be other destroyed parts as well. In fact, it's near 100% certain that you will need other parts; if the clutch gear is lunched, the countergear is too. You're looking at about $500-600 in parts for those 4 pieces (clutch gear, countergear, mainshaft, kit).

Unless of course, you just want for some reason to tie up $600 and other unforeseeables plus who knows how much time and grief, in a $200 transmission.

www.5speeds.com for rebuild kits (with all the bearings etc.); I think they can supply instructions and such.

 

No, I DO understand.

I have already ordered ANOTHER transmission to put in the car, and make it run. It should be here saturday. It cost 450 to my door.

I have had a local tranny shop look at this old trans, and they told me all parts that are bad. So I do know what is bad. I am going to go pick up this disasembled trans after work. They quoted me 792.xx. 250 of that is labor.

I want to learn how to build/repair a trans on this damaged one. then test it in the car. I do NOT want to tamper with the good one I have coming in.

 

No, I still don't think you understand....

We're talking about money here. Lots of it.

First: $450 to your door for a common-as-dirt 6-cyl transmission is highway robbery.

Last time I needed an ordinary common transmission like that, it was a V8 one; I paid $250 at the buzzard, they pull. Would have been $200 if I pulled it. Last time I bought a 6-cyl transmission, it was for a S truck; $150, they pull. I've never bought a 6-cyl Camaro/Firebird transmission, at least not on purpose, so I don't know their price for certain; but I'd guess it would fall somewhere in between the S truck box and the V8 one. Call it $200.

If all you want out of this rebuild is practice and experience, and you're determined to "repair" this totally smoked one, then I guess it's just a REAL EXPENSIVE lesson. But, I'm telling you and you're not understanding yet, you can learn the same lesson FOR A HELLUVALOT LESS MONEY by GOING to the junkyard IN PERSON, buying a WHOLE OTHER TRANSMISSION, and practicing on that. That will probably cost you about $400 less than "repairing" your basket case.

 

Ok, some things you dont know. I was told early this week to have the car out the garge by the end of the month, or sell it. Its been down since 1-1-05. So I am forced to find a trans this week, and install next week. Not my garage, not my rules, I just have to play.

All of the camaro t5 trans in this hell hole of a state are 500+taxes, and me go get (which I dont have time, leaving state tommorow tell early next week)

Ones I found on the internet that were cheaper then 400 either had no warranty, dont ship outta state, long shipping time, dont take plastic, etc. The one I found has warranty, took plasic, and promised it to arrive while I'm gone (someone else is at house to get it). If I had more time, I bet I could have found one cheaper with some hunting time. Time is money.

Yes, I can find s10 t5 trans all day long for 200. Dont you just love the "name" bringing the cost up, kinda like clothes or shoes.

Main reason of me wishing to build a transmission is for experience, yes. But I would like to have a second trans, or trans with different gear ratios(reason I asked about s10 gear ratios). I never said it would be cheap, and I never said it would be this month, summer, winter, next year, ever? Who knows. I may go buy another trans with broken case or tail shaft, or an s10 box, mustang box, and slap its gears in the camaro case. I dont have the cash right now, just looking and asking, and will keep my eyes open.

So other then input shaft, and gear ratios, they are all "the same".

 

I lived in & around Memphis for about 35 years. I still own property near Shirley AR (that I haven't even seen since 2001). I'm familiar in minute detail with your state.

Your situation kinda sucks. I sympathize. But that still doesn't make it smart to spend $600+ to rebuild a $200 transmission to keep as a spare. And it doesn't change the basic MONEY equation. Which is, for the amount of money you're going to have to spend to rebuild your basket case, you can buy 3 junk transmissions in Memphis. It's a bad idea to do what you're talking about. Very very economically ineffective.

Do what you've got to do to get out of your pinch right now. Throw the basket case in the trash. Then, at your leisure, drive over to Memphis, and get a spare or 2 to play with. They take plastic over there.

 

Just tear it apart see how everything come off and goes back on, then scrap the old one. T5's arent hard to rebuild so you will probably pick up enough information to build one just buy ripping this toasted one apart.

I hear you one costing more then they should. They think T5's around here are worth $800+ reguardless of old or new V8 or V6.

 

ok, got it back from the tranny shop.

Totally 100% agree that the input shaft is toast!! Chunks of the gear on the end of it are missing.

In my unpofessional opinion, the main shaft is useable. The end of it where it meats the input shaft is just ever so slightly mushroomed from the two rubbing together.

Still got new one on way. And I will look around at options as to chunk this one, or keep the case and install gears from some other t5 into it.

 

You'll think you have highway robbery on parts. In my area any T-5 goes for about $1,000. Was going to get one out of a mid 80s astro in a wrecking yard and was quoted $1,150 for me taking it out!!!!!

 

Well, if the clutch gear has broken-off teeth, the countergear (the one it meshes with) is obliterated too.

If there is ANY visible or otherwise detectable wear on the tip of the mainshaft, it's garbage. If you put it back together like that, it won't last; maybe not 5000 miles even, before it'll have to come back out.

Ahhhh, the case.... the reason the clutch gear failed that way, is because the case is bad. What happens is that the metal across the front of the case stretches, and allows the clutch gear and countergear to separate a bit, and misalign; and they don't live long after that starts up. If it leaked fluid out the front, then that's certain to be the problem. The front countergear bearing is supposed to be a drive fit in the hole. But when the case fatigues, the hole enlarges in an oval shape; the bearing spins; and the fluid leaks out.

Here's a pic of one that I have, where the bearing has visible wear from spinning and rubbing against the clutch gear bearing retainer.

 

Here's another pic, from another member, of a used-up mainshaft.

 

Damn, that sucks. Hope you get it running soon. If you were in Hawaii I would have given you a V6 T5 for free, its worthless to me now. I had planned to do the exact same swap as you, a V6 T5 mated to a SBC. I got the trans and comversion parts pretty much for free, parted a car out, and it seemed like the best budget way to go. But after much thought I decided against it because of this exact situation you're in. I didnt want to buy a special clutch setup that would only work for the V6 T5, and then if it broke, I would feel inclined to have the V6 T5 rebuilt or feel like I wasted money on the whole thing. These T5's have a bad reputation to begin with, didnt feel safe going with the 14 spline version versus the 26 spline version. I'm hard on my trans so I know the stock units are gonna break regardless.

Instead I decided to bite the bullet from the start and order a TKO built T5 rated to 450hp for under $900. Used the conversion swap parts from my parts car and combined with shipping and the rest of the conversion parts (good clutch, etc) I'm gonna be spending around $1300. So yeah came out to like 10x the cost of my original idea, but I dont think its gonna break anytime soon (well I hope not anyway).