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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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Car: 91 z-28 conv.
Engine: 350 vortec tpi crate
Transmission: 700r4
why not 2.73s?

just looking for any input you are willing to give.

with the motor combo i am running and the stock rear i get quite a bit of wheel spin. even from a roll of 15-20 mph it will still spin all the way through 1st. (top of the line michellins for tires)

with this kind of problem already should it switch to the 3.42s i was looking at?

or any suggestion on traction wouldn't be turned down either.

just in case, i have the lower control arms, strut tower brace, eibach springs, gas shocks, and the panhard bar done already.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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Car: 1987 IROC-Z
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from my own experience...

ive got 2.73s and with my 305 i can spin all the way through first. in my opinion if youve got power, gears done matter for launch unless theyre really high. but for a good launch on any gear you need good suspension/slicks if you dont want to spin, or just not have enough power to break em lose. IMO gears are for acceleration, not launching.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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thanks for the input.

i am considering going to a higher gear but need to solve the traction problem.

with both tires spinning through first i still ran down a lt1 TA yesterday. i would have been really nice if she would hook up.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 05:22 PM
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Car: 1987 IROC-Z
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I meant high as in numerically low...its confusing. as in, low gears would be like 4.10s while higher gears are 2.73s...what i was saying is getting off the line doesnt matter unless you have like 2.30s (do they make them? haha)...because then the car will bog. if you are having problems hooking, LCAs+relocation brackets, and a torque arm often do the trick. Slicks work too. A lot is in the way you hit the pedal too. If you hammer it as hard as you can right from the start...you will spin. My rule of thumb is saying something like "hippopotimus" (sp?) while putting my foot down. at the end of the word, your foot should be on the floor. also, just a 1, 2 count works.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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understand on the lower/higher.

did the lca but not the brackets yet. i have no wheel hop etc. she just fries them.

as i said, even at 15-20mph, roll into the pedal to quickly and they spin. mind you, i am not talkin about nailing it just rolling into it quickly. looked at torque arm but not done yet. would that keep the tires from spinning?

slicks, maybe at the track. at least i will find out what the next week link is.

lookin at a stealth ram and maybe that will kill a little of the torque.

guess maybe i am just stuck with being slower rollin into it.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Car: 1987 IROC-Z
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supposedly torque arms aid greatly in traction. i read somewhere that the stock suspension is best for hooking up...someone said do the relocation brackets with the stock LCAs, and you will hook better...who knows though i dont.

how stiff are your rear shocks? that may have a lot to do with it. if theyre too stiff then perhaps an even weight transfer cannot take place thus causing your wheel spin. try and keep a full tank of gas in it...might help for more even weight distribution. also, what kinda torque converter are you running in your transmission? perhaps its not allowing for the proper amount of slippage, causing a lot of wheel spin. these are just things ive read about over the internet. im not sure on any of it, however i know that i will need traction a lot if im to run my goal times.

also, check your tire pressure...if its too high or relatively high, you will spin.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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shocks are stiff, i hadn't thought about that when i put em on. it handles great but i see what you mean.

may try to get the brackets for the lca done too.

tire pressure is a little low but i heard you want to run radials about at correct pressure.

torque is a 2400 after market. i was thinking about a vigilante. they seem to work extremely well.

like most of us it's WIP.

suppose to go to the track thrusday for my one and only run.
we will see how she does.
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 01:00 AM
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ive got 2.73s and with my 305 i can spin all the way through first.
Wow. That's pretty impressive.

2.73 would be a taller gear
4.10 would be a deeper gear

....to help with a little terminology.
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 02:33 AM
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Wow. That's pretty impressive.

2.73 would be a taller gear
4.10 would be a deeper gear

....to help with a little terminology.
2.73 = tall
4.10 = short

That system works well too
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Old Apr 18, 2005 | 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by IROCZ28dan
If you hammer it as hard as you can right from the start...you will spin.
I'm sorry, my Lb9/auto/2.73 car is by no means a slouch. I just had it dynoed and it got 187whp/260tq and it will keep up with cars that have similar power-weight. It will not, and I am extremely pissed at this, it will not spin the tires.....at ALL!! I also have the stock aluminum DS and drums. And the tires are crappy Road-Hugger Zr's with 50% tread left.

However, it will spin the tires from the 1-2 shift every time. Why is that?

Sorry for the thread hi-jack, but I'm in the opposite boat as you. My car can't spin tires from a stop and I want to.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Car: 91 z-28 conv.
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dump the 305 asap. nothing personal but i was there.

this 350vortec crate tpi kicks azz. i am amazed, now that it is nearly dialed in.

like i said i had a lt1 nail it in front of me and he had about a 4 car lead and i ran him down by about 60-65mph. ; ))))))

should be even more fun after the stealth ram goes on. oh ya!!

save ur pennys and make the switch asap.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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Oh ok so this is all about tire spining. My Camaro will spin the passenger side tire in first and second gear and its a 50 series tire but it's got a 3.08 gear set. With the 215 70 15's on it'll chirp 3rd at 60. 5.0L Stock component engine too.

Traction will be more of an issue if you jump upto 3.42's but it will pull a heck of alot better. A POSITRACTION system is what your gonna need either way.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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Car: 91 z-28 conv.
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ya, mine spins even better if the pavement is wet or i can find a nice dirt road.

anyway, i have a posi now and want to go to 3.42s but don't know how much that will help until i can get her hooked up with what i have now.



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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 03:09 PM
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I got the times listed below in "bests" with a stock 120,000 mi suspension, shocks,. struts, springs, etc...I did have the Jegster adjustible torque arm installed so that would be the onlyitem that I think made a difference, but i know a few others going faster than me with the stock torque arm.

The low 1 gear ratio in your tranney is helping inpart to lower your off the line gear ratio, and yes stepping into some higher gears will only add to the spin situation and make a bad situation worse. Definately look into some softer/sticker tires first and formost since this suspension can go a long ways in stock form, then look into softer springs/sjocks out back.

Just think how quick you'll be once you get the car itself tuned
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