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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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slipping 700R4? *please read*

I was driving down the road today on my way to get something to eat. Anyway, I had my brother with me who was the former owner of the car.

He gave the car a test run and he gassed the car down, the car went and climbed up to about 4000rpm where it was to "shift" but the car felt like it slipped and brinked past the 4000rpm limit and jumped to 4500rpm and then it shifted after this.

Upon doing this, he turned to me and said that the car is not supposed to do that and it has never done that with him. As far as I am concerned, the car has been doing that since the first time I actually gunned it (which was probably a week or so afterwards, I can't remember) I bought it in July 05' and I posted a topic awhile back about the same situation, I thought the transmission was indeed slipping out of high gear.

I was told that at WOT, shift points are bound to change, however now that I think about it, the car shouldnt give a "slipping feeling perse"

I have never felt a slipping trans, nor have I ever driven a car with a slipping trans before, so I don't know what to expect. But something tells me, I am losing 3rd or 4th gear. I believe it happened at WOT around 50ish mph, and this is WOT, pedal down.

I checked the fluid when I came back and it is still pink and actually fresh. It was changed last January 05' I believe. But the fluid looks pink, and it doesn't smell burnt.

I don't know whats going on, I took the car to a tranny shop about a few months back because the tranny was acting very strange, it shifted way too early and everytime it shifted the car just gave me a weird feeling and nothing like when I originally bought the car. The transmission always shifted very smoothly for me, but I had taken it to the guy and he looked at my cables and found that the cables came loose from the brackets or something I cannot quite remember. So he snapped it back in place and it was perfect again.

I dunno what's going on, but I cannot afford a new tranny, if this is the case, I am not going to go through the headache of this. Does this sound like a TV cable problem...the car shifts perfect in 1st, second, and third, but if I stomp it from a dead stop or even partial way (like at 35mph) the car just slips past 4000rpm (and it gives me the feeling that it was supposed to shift) shoots to 4500 then shifts..

I am starting to think this car hates me....but its gonna have to get used to me because this car is mine whether it likes it or not and I have spent more than enough money to get it to where it is today.

I need help, input is greatly appreciated.

EDIT: By the way, the tranny and the car itself is all original, the motor and the tranny only has about 112500 miles on it. That's not very much at all in my opinion. I don't consider car to be high mileage past the 130k mark thats when I should start to be on the lookout for things like this. It doesn't make any sense.

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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I would suspect the TV cable. If the guy at the shop made it better by playing with the cables I would look at them. I'm not sure how they hook up to a TBI as I have the TPI. But Look at the cables how they are attached to the bracket. Then grab the TV cable and see if its loose in the bracket. It should be held in by the two clips or tongues. Disconnect the TV cable from the linkage and give it a couple of moderate tugs to check and see if it's hung up. Then while it's disconnected pull the cable out as far as she will go and hold it. Then while its extended rotate the throttle to WOT and then see if the TV cable aligns with the pin it rides on. If its longer or shorter adjust it to line up.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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standing in front of the engine (facing it), am I supposed to pull the cable away from myself or towards myself as I am adjusting it.
The only reason why I haven't tinkered with anything else yet is because I don't wanna screw the tranny up...I have an idea but messing around with something I have an idea with usually doesn't turn out well for me.

Does this sound like a TV cable problem this has been going on for awhile, and I think the damage is already done.

If again that is the case, I am thoroughly pissed off. The tranny was taken care of, maintained and what not. It makes no sense.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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if the tv cable was out of adjustment, or set wrong for any reason, it can kill the trans quickly. Your problem is not uncommon. Unfortunately rebuilds are pricey.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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Car: 1998 Volvo S70
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so basically I need a new trans.

That's great, you know I am starting to realize that I made a macho mistake buying this car. I knew it had problems, but the tranny was maintained and serviced well throughout its life time, and then not even 115k miles on the car it starts going downhill.


What a great car to have..

EDIT: I might as well as sell this car then, scrape what I can outta it and get myself another car. I hate buying new cars, or used cars I hate it.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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If I were you, I would not throw in the towel yet. See a local trans shop. Your problem could be big or small. A professional, hands on opinion will be valuable.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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Ask around to see what shop to go to. Ask a local shop which tranny place they use. If you wanna save some green, remove that tranny and take it in yourself as the most costly thing is labour. Good shops will just replace bands and what not, bad ones just shrug and say it needs a complete rebuild. This is the difference between a $200 bill, and a $1500 bill. Might as well put some goodies when its apart too BTW if your in Southern Ontario, go to John at TDS in Newmarket. Hes VERY busy, and theres a reason for that. Extremely good guy, who will cut ya good deals if your paying cash. Never heard one complaint about him.

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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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well I took it to a transmission shop guy in my town and told him in detail what the problem was with my car.


He said it sounds like a slipping problem but the only way to be sure is to have him test it out. I can't leave it with him in the mornings.

I will go back in another hour or so and have him test it.

I dunno, I am just overly pissed. Because no car for me = no way of getting around.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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what I wanna know is if there is anything else that can make my car do that.

Governor gear? I mean anything else, if I have been slipping in fourth gear, how long more does my tranny have.


These are all questions I need answered....I am so pissed
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Most of the possibilities for your problem are located deep inside the trans. You could disassemble the valve body and make sure the tv valve , springs and plungers are clean and free.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Get used to being pissed when a car breaks. It will happen hundreds of times in your life. My first new vehicle(work truck) blew the engine @ 15,000 miles. It was changed for free under warrantee. I am self employed and lost over $2,000 in work because of it. Most of the world though getting it fixed for free was great. It was. Losing time and money was not.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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yes but you see its my daily driver.


The car drives perfect under normal conditions, it is so smooth if I just lightly gas the pedal its only when I gun it.

Thats when it acts up....ugh, I really really hate buying new cars when it is not neccessary.

It makes you feel as if the money you put on your current car was wasted and you dont know anything about this new car.

I need to get this checked out...
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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No biggie man, worst comes to worst and you don't have the $, theres always used trannies. People make it sound like its the end of the world when your tranny starts to go. Who knows, maybe your tv cable is just outta adjustment.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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just for craps and giggles....I heard there was a common problem with the trans on the 3-4 clutch pack failing.

My question is, with what I described above, does this sound like a 3-4 clutch pack problem.

Just wondering
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by 91ChevyRS
just for craps and giggles....I heard there was a common problem with the trans on the 3-4 clutch pack failing.

My question is, with what I described above, does this sound like a 3-4 clutch pack problem.

Just wondering
It sounds exactly like a failing 3-4 pack.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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If the car is acting up only when you get on it, then the TV cable is out of adjustment as it kicks the trans down into a lower gear. My 700 is almost rebuilt and the 3-4 clutch pack was smoked due to worn accumulator pistons. If the 3-4 pack is failing you would or should hear a nice metal on metal sound at 1/4 to 3/4 throttle and your fluid will start changing color and have that burnt smell.

I would take the car back to the guy that adjusted the cable last time and have him do it again. Then after he does it and it's running straight again buy a new cable as it sounds like the old cable is weak at the plunger and have the new one installed and adjusted. Also for even better piece of mind I would have a tranny shop flush the trans.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by 91Z28TTOP
If the car is acting up only when you get on it, then the TV cable is out of adjustment as it kicks the trans down into a lower gear. My 700 is almost rebuilt and the 3-4 clutch pack was smoked due to worn accumulator pistons. If the 3-4 pack is failing you would or should hear a nice metal on metal sound at 1/4 to 3/4 throttle and your fluid will start changing color and have that burnt smell.

I would take the car back to the guy that adjusted the cable last time and have him do it again. Then after he does it and it's running straight again buy a new cable as it sounds like the old cable is weak at the plunger and have the new one installed and adjusted. Also for even better piece of mind I would have a tranny shop flush the trans.
The fluid is still pink and just fine but I might have them do it...I hope the damage isn't already inflicted but this could have something to do with the TV cable.

I have been taking it pretty easy on it, I don't floor it everyday, because I care about the well being of the car.

I'll take it to the guy tomorrow and see if this fixes the problem. But I heard an out of adjustment TV cable will kill the trans immediately.

Its been probably since September that I got it adjusted last. Have fate on my side please
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Old Jan 6, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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anyone else....
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 08:47 AM
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sounds like your band is wearing out.
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