82,83,84 4 speed muncie's
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82,83,84 4 speed muncie's
Hi, I have a question about the muncie 4 speeds that came in 82, 83, and 84 camaros. My question is how powerful are they, as far as holding up to high torque and HP. I know the borg warner 5 speeds sucked, that's why they only came with 305's and not 350's. I have an 84 camaro with a built up engine, and sometime down the line I'd like to put in a manual tranny. So how powerful are the muncie's? thank you
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Muncie transmissions were never used in 3rd gens. They were discontinued in about 74.
There were however a very few Warner T-10 4-speeds in 82s. The vast majority of 82s with manuals had Saginaw 4-speeds, which suck. Their strength is OK but it's a bit like driving a dump truck. The ratios are real wide, the shifter has real long throws, the synchros are small, just overall it's not a sports car sort of trans. 83 up got the T-5.
The T-10 is frequently mis-identifiead as a Muncie. It's an excellent transmission, when mated with 3.73 or 4.10 gears. I had a 79 Z28 350 for instance that came from the factory with a T-10 and 3.73s; I got the motor better than the factory's 165 HP, promptly blew up the 3.73s and put in a rear with 4.10s, and liked it. I had a 78 Z28 at the same time with a T350 and 3.73s. If you find a T-10 with the 3rd gen extension housing, it would be a great choice for a sort of retro approach or an all-out performance build with no consideration of gas mileage; it's probably worth alot of money even if you don't want to go that route. One of the things you would need for the swap is a shifter, and since there has never been a 3rd gen Muncie, there's also no such thing as a 3rd gen Muncie shifter from Hurst or anybody else. There is, or at least was, a Hurst shifter for the 82 T-10 combo, so maybe that could still be made to work.
Because of the rotated mounting of the trans, you have to use a 3rd gen trans of some kind, or be prepared to massively sodomize your car. If it's a race-only project then it's not a problem; but a non-3rd-gen manual trans is totally incompatible with the 3rd gen floor pan and interior.
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There were however a very few Warner T-10 4-speeds in 82s. The vast majority of 82s with manuals had Saginaw 4-speeds, which suck. Their strength is OK but it's a bit like driving a dump truck. The ratios are real wide, the shifter has real long throws, the synchros are small, just overall it's not a sports car sort of trans. 83 up got the T-5.
The T-10 is frequently mis-identifiead as a Muncie. It's an excellent transmission, when mated with 3.73 or 4.10 gears. I had a 79 Z28 350 for instance that came from the factory with a T-10 and 3.73s; I got the motor better than the factory's 165 HP, promptly blew up the 3.73s and put in a rear with 4.10s, and liked it. I had a 78 Z28 at the same time with a T350 and 3.73s. If you find a T-10 with the 3rd gen extension housing, it would be a great choice for a sort of retro approach or an all-out performance build with no consideration of gas mileage; it's probably worth alot of money even if you don't want to go that route. One of the things you would need for the swap is a shifter, and since there has never been a 3rd gen Muncie, there's also no such thing as a 3rd gen Muncie shifter from Hurst or anybody else. There is, or at least was, a Hurst shifter for the 82 T-10 combo, so maybe that could still be made to work.
Because of the rotated mounting of the trans, you have to use a 3rd gen trans of some kind, or be prepared to massively sodomize your car. If it's a race-only project then it's not a problem; but a non-3rd-gen manual trans is totally incompatible with the 3rd gen floor pan and interior.
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