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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 02:52 PM
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alum. driveshaft?

I got the latset issue of summit's catalog and saw an aluminum driveshaft for 82-00 f bods. It's made by Inland Empire Driveline on page 162. Is this a quality piece and is this even worth it? Thanks in advance

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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 04:33 PM
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Yeah, I saw that too.Haven't heard of the company, but it seems like about the same price as the factory optional aluminum driveshaft.Anybody bought one of these?
I'm curious about them myself.
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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 05:01 PM
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I don't know about the quality of that one, but you can usually find AL driveshafts for like $150-160 in the classifieds (JamesC) off 4th gens that will work in our cars.

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Old Dec 4, 2001 | 11:53 PM
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I have an Inland Empire aluminum shaft in my car. It is a very nice piece and I am happy with it. The quality of it seems very nice. I bought it a while back more for some high speed vibration issues with my steel OEM shaft, but it is supposed to be very strong as well. I have forgotten what kind of torque it is rated to, but I recall it being fairly high for an aluminum shaft - plus it comes with the Heavy Duty Spicer U-joints.

Also, just some FYI for ya'll, I spoke with some representatives of Inland Empire at the Car Craft Summer Cruise here in St. Paul when it came around, and they also make heavy duty steel drive shafts that are extremey strong, as well as carbon fiber shafts.

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Old Dec 5, 2001 | 11:41 PM
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Cool, i have a little high speed vibration and want to cure that, the additional power freed up with the lighter shaft is just icing on the cake.
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Old Dec 6, 2001 | 09:48 AM
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If you have a GM dealer account you could get an aluminum driveshaft from GM (made by dana corp) for about $220-$250. I'm sure the strength and materails are comparable. If your engine makes or is going to make massive amounts of power, get a chromoly driveshaft.

I replaced my steel driveshaft due to vibrations and age. No differences in 1/4 mile times.

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Old Dec 6, 2001 | 02:55 PM
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Once again, there is little to no power gain when switching from a steel driveshaft to an aluminum driveshaft.

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Old Dec 6, 2001 | 03:53 PM
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Why is there no power gain? It's lighter right? This seems like there would be less for the engine to turn. Just curious
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Old Dec 6, 2001 | 04:14 PM
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less rotating mass does "free up" some HP, u should see 5 - 8 hp at the back tires depending upon motor/tranny combo, but where a balanced aluminum drive shaft shines, is the fact that it's SAFER at top speeds (200mph capable) due to no vibration. The stock steel shaft will vibrate like hell at 135mph (trust me)!! I had the factory shaft turned and spun balanced. I now can do 150 or so with alot less vibes than before, but vibration is still there. It will be even better with the aluminum shaft that I'm gettting.
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Old Dec 6, 2001 | 05:50 PM
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Do all aluminum ones come with vibration dampners? Or is it just the 4th gen ones?

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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 06:50 AM
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The thirdgen shaft has no vibration dampener. For more info on the alum shaft, see the FACs on this site.

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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 08:49 AM
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I've been drooling over a composite driveshaft.

http://www.acpt.com/driveshaft/index.html

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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 09:32 AM
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Keep in mind that you CAN use a fourth gen drive shaft in our cars!!! 1985-2002 drive shafts will all work with each other.
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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 11:47 AM
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5-8 rear wheel HP from adding an Al driveshaft? My a ss. Must I calculate this? I thought that 1le driveshaft was only 160 bucks??

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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 12:13 PM
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Will a fourth gen shaft work on my 84?
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Old Dec 7, 2001 | 01:28 PM
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If you have a 700r4 or a T-5, a 4th gen shaft will work in an '84. If you have a th350, I dont know if it will work. Yes, the 1LE driveshaft IS aluminum and will work the same in '85-2002 camaros/firebirds. HOWEVER, I personally wouldnt want to take the chance of buying and installing a used 1LE driveshaft or any used shaft for that matter. If you top the car out alot, you wouldnt want to take the risk of vibration etc... especially at high speeds. AND, it was Horse Power TV that proved a gain using an aluminum shaft compared to the stock shaft (on the dyno), I cant remember what kind they used, but they did say a gain of 5 - 8hp at the back wheels due to less rotating mass etc... Most people will not feel this gain, but when you add it all up with all the rest of the bolt-ons, it makes a difference. Just my $.02
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Old Dec 8, 2001 | 01:12 AM
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Thanks all for the good info! I think a new GM shaft is the way to go.
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Old Dec 8, 2001 | 02:46 AM
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I believe http://www.ws6.com has a dyno chart comparing the steel to the Al d/s. It was an ave. torque gain of approx 5ft-lbs.

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Old Dec 9, 2001 | 12:52 PM
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Well, the HP gain depends on the rate of change in rpm of the shaft. So, those numbers can be really biased.
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