Hey guys, thanks for the help with my exhaust question, now i have another one for you. Would I be correct in assuming that most GM or at least Chevy engines would be compatible with my 700R4 tranny? Cuz I know at least in the 3rd gens they went with all the engines from v6 to 350. Also, say i wanted to get like a GM supercharged 3.8, could I mate that to the 700? My dad has a 2001 Grand Prix GTP supercharged fast as hell, and I love that engine. I know its frontwheel drive, but is there a version of this engine that would work w/o me swapping tranny? I just got this 700 8 months ago and want to keep it.
Thanks
Jason
89RS 2.8
no CC
new 700R4
saleen wing
berlinetta front end
wolf bra

 

Nope, the 2.8, 3.1, and 3.4 are 60 degree engines and have a different transmission than the 3.8,4.3,5.0, and 5.7

 

but my friends 5.0's have 700r4, do they have a different version or style or whatever than me?

 

the 60* V6 700R4 and the 90*V8 700R4 have different bolt patterns so they can mount to their respective engines


also i believe the 3.8 uses a BOP bolt pattern since its a Buick engine

there are adapter plates though to mount a BOP engine to a chevy tranny and vice versa

 

ummmmmmmmm did you convert your car to a carbuerator??

if not its gotta be CC

 

Thank *** for adaptors!
roughly how much do they cost?

 

its mpfi, the guy before me took out the converter and put a peice of pipe in. I'm in SC and we don't have inspections.

 

ohhhhhhh ok

usually non-cc means no computer in a carbuerated car

as for the adapters those are only for the 90* engines

you have a 60* engine and transmission

try www.advancedadapters.com

they MITE have something funky

as for a supercharged 3.8............thats gonna be kinda hard, although with enough time, money, blood, sweat, and tears it can be done

 

In your opinion, would it be alot crazier than trying to put a custom supercharger on my 2.8? I was thinking about how much i use this car, and the amount of time that I wouldnt be able to drive it during an engine swap would be too much. I want to add some power without spending thousands on a drop in crate engine and a new tranny. I saw that page about the 3 lb superchargers and might try one of those, but i just don't know what to do as far as power.

 

if that is a stock rear end and you do manage to get your 2.8 scharged you will rip the rear end to shreds. the power that the supercharger will give you will be like getting a 305 or mabe even a 350 engine swap. a supercharger will cost more than a new 350 so if you got $ go with a engine/trany/rear end swap instead of the super, and you can always charge the 350 later.

 

Why is that? The rear axles in our V6 cars are the same exact units as those in the V8 cars.

 

the axles are, true. but the gears are not strong enough. i got a 2.8 86 110,000k and the gears just got riped up from hard acceleration

 

No dude, the axles and the gears are the SAME. Just because yours wore out doesn't mean someone else's is going to. If my tranny blows, does that mean yours is going to?

 

hahahahahahaha i can see it now.................a 2.8 camaro with a 12 bolt rearend............gimme a break

the most power you'd make with a s/c'd 2.8 woud be about equal to a TPI 305/350................

 

oh yea? well whatever. all i am saying is he should go with the 350 instead of the super charger. so calm down boys, alright. it's all ok, just settle down.:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

Edited by Ovrclck350


Basicaly he doesn't like 91Teal Top


Next time please use better language and reserve these type comments for PM. This IS a public board.

 

Actually teal, not busting *****, but I plan on making alot more then a "Stock" 350 TPI with my 3.1. ALOT MORE. And yes I will probly need to get either a 12 bolt, or a 9".

 

And as a second note the 26/28 spline axles are NOT known for any amount of strength.

 

What is it with these new members
They talk trash
Rip peoples comments
Call them names
Have not figured out use a search button for many simple questions
Getting pretty sad, lately.
What's worse, the new members haven't a clue about their own engines/transmissions on their cars
I guess maybe their previous owned ***** rides got beaten by a real car (Camaro/Firebird V-6:hail and haven't figured out how to make their new purchased Camaro/Firebird V-6:hail: that fast.

 

hunter, if you can do it, then excellent

but for me, i have woken up and smelled the brew..............V6's in f-bodies are for economy

and thats exactly what my 3.1 does for me, its my daily driver

all i can say is that do whatever you like to your V6, i can do the exact same thing to my 8 and get an even better result

not trying to flame anybody, i am just letting you know how embarrassed i am of my former self

i hope this all makes alot of sense

and please dont think i turned into a V8 troll because i bought a Z28

there are many trolls above me, most notable 350 and 383 trolls

and to be honest i dont beleive you can get that much power from a 6 banger unless you custom fab heads..........to me thats the weak point in these engines

 

hey ovrclck can you email me what he said

i am a moderator after all................

 

Teal.. Ok so you got a V8. Big whoop. I have one too. Your point?. In fact I am converting mine to TPI this week when the parts come in.

Not meaning to flame, but if someone wants to build a V6 up, and YOU disagree, keep your mouth shut.

There's too much of this shiznit going around. Hell this board USED TO BE A HAVEN for people looking to get some Umph for thier V6. Now look at it. Not a word almost.

IF SOMEONE IS ASKING TO BUILD UP A V6, DO NOT POST V8 THIS V8 THAT. They are asking ABOUT A V6!.

And yes I have seen STOCK TPI'S BLOW THE STOCK AXLES TO SRAPNEL!. If you are looking to build up a V6 axle replacement IS DEFINATELY ON THE LIST!.

This board has become a sad, dreary thing. No wonder people don't come around much anymore. Myself included. Hell I used to post like a madman I had over 2K posts in under 4 months?... Look now.. 120? in what 2 months?...

This has become pointless.

To those interested in the Headers, I will be getting in more collectors this week(hopefully) If I can order them tomarrow.

Dead, Yours are almost done man. Thanks for hangin in there.
I need to finish the flanges and get a pipe expander.

To others, I or 89CamaroRS will try to post the newer Header pics sometime soon. When they come out, that means that Dead's will be on the way to him, and I will let him post what he thinks of them, IF YOU WANT THEM AS WELL EMAIL ME(as I will no longer be on the board).

As I wrote in this thread, I am saddened of what has become of this board, and will be leaving perminately (Clock' Ignore the PM I sent you about my CHD user name, Hell it's just not worth it anymore)

To those that want to keep up on what I will be doing to my V6 I will try to keep pics, and write some blurbs and put them on my page.

To those that are interested in learning about turbo's feel free to email me. GenerationXracing@yahoo.com

See Ya... CHD Signing off..

 

whatever man................

as i said theres nothing wrong with you wanting to mod your 6 banger

i just feel that for performance its just about the worst place to start

and we have people around here with less knowledge around here who need to know that

you people are going crazy over a friggin 135HP motor..............

LETS GET REAL PEOPLE

 

why don't you get real? I mean theres ricers (and this is not support for them) who started out with barely 100 hp 4cylinder motors, and SOME of them actually are fast, really fast. Don't tell people to get real because they don't have the same ideas as you. I just found this site a week ago and it kicks butt, I have asked a few questions and gotten great answers. I'm not claiming to be a car genious, but I know there are ways to soup up a V6 and not have to buy a V8. I mean seriously, if people here planned on buying V8's, why would they come here to ask how to soup up V6's? For all of you guys that have answered my questions, thank you for your consideration; I plan on sticking around for a while.

jason

 

I especially want to thank Karl for his help with my exhaust question

 

Teal, how you got to be a moderator i will never know. all i see from you is :hail: V8 :hail: . why don't you go to a different board and get over you moderator power trip. you obviously don't belong on the V6 board. and for all you fools out there, the stock thirdgen rear end is crap. it WILL break easily with enough power. if i had 200hp+ i would definatly look into getting a new rear end. and with a super charger and a few light mods you can easily push 200hp with a 2.8.

 

alright, simply answer to hte original question, yes the tranmissions will need swapping, becuase although the internal parts of the 700R4 are the same, that's pretty much where the similarities stop. The biggest issue is the bolt pattern, and the v6 (60* bellhousing) and v8 (90* bellhousing)'s are different, and therefore are not interchangeable. The new 3.8L you're talking about is a chevy block i believe, and should not be confused with the turbo 3.8L buick block used in GN's and TTA's, so in other words, switcing to the SC'ed 3.8L will be just as much work as swapping to a 305/350 4.3 or any other 90* block, or v8 switch, espeiclaly since u'll be swapping trannies, and rears too. Another thought is that the Supercharged 3.8L will need a complete computer system instsalled also, something not needed on a carbed 350 setup. But not to shoot you down, it can be done with time and money.

And for everybody else, lets please stop the v6 vs. v8 bickering, it's getting really old. I might not have 30,000 posts, but i've been on this bored for a pretty long time, basically as long as the "old" people who are on here, so lets just get back to the basics and help each other out.

 

FYI, the L67 in the GTP is a 90* 3.8L Series 2 Buick block. the same block used for the L36 in the 4th gen 3.8L F-bodies. GN's and TTA's used the Series 1. from what i heard, no parts are interchangeable between the 2 series.

 

The TPI' put out over 200 and they're not having a huge problem with breaking the rear end. I'm warnign you for the last time....please quit trashing people no matter who they are.


RS, I dont' save stuff like that....plus you may be a moderator, but if I remember correctly it's over a regional board....definatlely not this V6 board....not to be rude.

 

MAN, SOME OF YOU NEW PEOPLE HAVE SOME ATTITUDES TOWARD THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU

I SAID MODDING YOU 6 BANGER IS OK

WHEN I SAID ABOUT GETTING REAL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HUNTER BECAUSE HE WAS THROWING A CONIPTION ABOUT HIS 3.1

IF YOU CAN BUILD A 12 SECOND CAR WITH A 60* V6 AS THE MOTOR, THEN GO DO THAT, WHO AM I TO STOP YOU OR SAY ANYTHING

AND AS FOR ME NOT BELONGING HERE...........MAYBE YOUR ATTITUDE (aerrodg) WARRANTS YOU NOT TO BELONG HERE................................I COME HERE BECAUSE MY V6 CAMARO IS MY DAILY DRIVER

 

i got real a longgggggggggg time ago, buddy, lemme tell ya

 

Hey Onix thanks for patching that up, i knew it had come up b4 in here, but coulda sworn it was chevy. hehe. nehoots, didn't those engines use a 3004r also? And that transmission was equipped with a universal bolt pattern from what GN guys have told me, plus it had less fall off between gears which was great for turbos over the 700R4. Good luck with whatever ya do bud.

 

Glad I could throw out a very good clues to tide over your wallet.
Honest
a V-6 is not the V-8 we'd like it to be.
But they are fun to zoom up.
BUT accept that most of the V-8 & V-8 stuff (rears) are the same.
Trannys, no, different bellhousings.
Find out some basics about your cars
Hell for those that don't know.
This rear end design started life behind the Vega, 1970 model year.
If ya wanna talk about turbos & such, majority of us accept it will look best on the computer graphic modified pic on our screens.
The majority of the dreams RECENTLY spoken here are just dreams.
Fun, but, it won't happen.
Not unless your wallets are deep and your personal time is unlimited.
Or you do have that talent and are kind enough to share that knowledge with others.

Lately, it more about getting respect then enjoying a pleasant time visiting this board.
I left alot of anger where I recently lived (Santa Monica sucks!)
Don't bring it here, people.

 

We can blame that on the aftermarket. The 2.8/3.1 f-body v6's aren't supported enough by the aftermarket, so we have to get creative, and make our own stuff, or do tons of research. A kid with a 100hp 4cyl import motor just has to go to a car audio shop with cash and say "I want it to be fast." The car audio shop takes a catalog off the shelf, orders him some parts, the kid pays, then brings the parts to a mechanic to put on.

When's the last time you saw a simple ignition coil that was listed as "85-92 2.8/3.1 f-body"? Never. The same car audio shop would look our car up, and tell us that nothing's available.

 

Another MAJOR detail.
The POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO OF THE RICERS IS,
I wouldn't want to be in an accident, at the speeds those things can go.
Shop next door to my machinist has Rice Rockets that go under 10 secs at Sacremento/Bakersfield events.
I once built a Cobra Kit Car that has more protection, then that Rice Rocket thing.