Well, this post serves 2 purposes

1. 200 posts on this thread!!! Man Doward, you have got everyone fired up for this one!!!:hail:

2. Definitly take pics of the oil pan and final routing. I forget, did you upgrade from PVC??? So when you decide to upgrade the turbo and stuff, are you gonna send me your old stuff???

Good luck man, I wanna see this thing done and running. You should make a cross country tour with it, that'd be cool.

 

Doward, you should take the beast up to Orlando Speedworld this Wednesday night. I'm gonna be there running....it's my birthday celebration for myself. I'd love to see what the little six would do.

 

lol... no, I'm actually keeping the PVC until I can come up with a FMIC that I like to go with the kit.

Keep in mind, this is all being done under the pretense that Vortex and I will be building kits for all the v6's out there. I'm not too stuck on how the kit looks, more like how it works, for right now.

Once I get a FMIC (something that will be production kit status) then I'll pull the PVC, and show off the mandrel stainless steel construction.

Orlando? LOL... I've got to find that guy in the silver VTEC 2001 Honda that ran a 16.48 vs my 17.18... He's actually the reason this all started, after all....

 

how does one get to orlado speed world from say tampa. id like to run my accord in the hot air and check out dowards car and see if i can improve on the chip.

 

Mapquest it bro! The town is Bithlo... Search for Orlando Speedworld on the internet, you'll find the official site easily. Yank the address off the bottom of the site and enter it into Mapquest. BAM...street by street directions.
You should come up Wednesday man! I'm trying to rally a crew together to go....lol. It's gonna be nice, it's a night thing and the air is feeling nice and cool.

 

Everything is together minus the exhaust/turbo.

That goes in tomorrow, and we see what kind of difference a 5/8ths return line on a turbo makes.

Assuming nothing's leaking, of course. Tomorrow we see if we can get her running for Wednesday (Test & Tune at Gainesville!!)

:lala: :lala: :lala:

 

[COUGH]GOTOORLANDOSPEEDWORLDINSTEAD[COUGH]

 

doward there a test and tune down here in largo of of 275 on ulmerton road. if your upto it bring the car down here. Vs me treking acorss the state and getting lost LOL.

 

Doward here -

LOL.... let me get her running again, and then running smoothly, and we'll see about taking her around Florida and seeing about more tuning.

Exhaust and turbo are back in. Intake side will be on tonight, but not till the oil/coolant lines are hooked up, and I get new wires/plugs (tonight as well).

I'm going to leave the intake side disconnected until I'm confident the turbo is no longer blowing oil.

 

sorry to get a little off subject but, Funstick, you talking about sunshine dragstrip? you around that area?

Doward, I wanna run you too.

 

Everybody's gonna be gunnin' for the turbo

Everything's together... firin' her up in the morning, though, since my wires come in tomorrow, and I need a new spark plug...

Numerous modifications as it all came together. We'll see what she does, when I crank her up. Here's hoping no more oil blow!

 

yes im currently staying like 6 miles from sunshine raceway. i figure from doward its only a 80mile hike vs a 100mile hike to orlando. but hey ive got a turbo honda it would be sort of kewl to see a turbo6 vs a turbo 4. but all i can say is that im making 275lb of tq at 2800rpm.

 

Doward here, from the VP headquarters....

Not getting to the track tonight guys... she's running so rich, it brings a tear to my eye.

Callin' Funstick....

 

Woo!! Richness fixed (somewhat)... using the O2 sensor pulled the fuel waaay back. Engine runs MUCH better now!

Oh wow! So what'd you run?

Oh wait, you didn't go? why not?

_(&^!_*&^!#! clutch!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's sticking. Yay. One thing or another, it seems.

So next is yanking the damned tranny back out, and find out why the clutch won't disengage.

 

Ok, a bright side for today. As well as the engine was running (stupid clutch) I've decided to upgrade the turbo.

14B was just a tad too small... so I just scored a BRAND NEW 16g compressor wheel for $39. Figure, get the car running nicely, get some times, then port the exhaust turbine, and upgrade to a 16g compressor. Extra 90cfm flow.

 

so what you're saying is that you are about to get off the computer and get your *** back to work, right???

Good job man. After reading this, I wish that I didn't live in Cali. so that I can turbo my car.

 

I'm in Cali too, sucks if you're into modding cars.

 

haha... no, sometimes you just have to walk away. And after getting the turbo setup, oil pan, and all done, ONLY to have the damn clutch stick - that's a walk away moment.

I'm happy to score the 16g compressor though... hate to have to buy a $550 turbo, when the only difference is this stupid $39 wheel.

 

Just a TTT, since I'm so 1337 now

Actually, just didn't want to dig it up, when Wednesday I hopefully get the tranny back in working order, so I can get some times from this damn engine...

 

Doward, I pm you with a few questions.

I got some other questions though, anyone might beable to answer. It appears that both sides of the exhuast are being sent to the turbo here. Can only 1 side be sent?? Or will that not allow the tubro to spool enough? Or will it cause the engine to idle/run funny?

If a turbo has some shaft play, can it be rebuilt so it doesnt have any? I think I have spotted one for decent price, but says it has some slight shaft play.

Any advantage/disavanage to running 16b first, rather then 14b??

 

I can answer all of them.. but only a few of them truthfully.
Yes you can run just one side to the turbo, but i would do it if you are gonna run one turbo per bank Seriously, if you want to break it down to ***** math... they run it off 4 cyls. you'd be then running it off 3... so it would take more to spool like the GST. Also, how would you do the intake tract?...

 

Yeah... as Vortex said, you CAN run it off one bank but really - why the hell would you?? That would be seriously doing something halfway... not cool.

And you'd be pushing the turbo like it were a 1.4L engine on the exhaust side, and trying to feed 2.8L of engine from the compressor side.

No problem running a 16g first. I just ran the 14b, cuz I scored it for free


Turbo kits will be running a Garret T3-Super 60, though... I've found the mitsu's to be a bit more hassle to work with, and the Garrett line has a much better parts selection...

 

hell, I didnt know them answers, thats why I asked. I've never seen a v engine hooked up to a turbo. Just inline 4cyls.

So basically, like I said, it wouldnt move/spool up the turbo properly running off one side.

I'd be running it off a 1.7l engine, cause before I do anything, this 190k mile engine is getting pulled, and a 3.4 in its place.

 

I don't know how much it would affect it, but the turbo also adds a little back-pressure to the exhaust, I'm sure. Having an increase in backpressure on one side of the motor can't really be good for getting the motor to run smoothly.

 

LOL, no problem... yeah, you basically want all the exhaust going into the turbo... on a V engine, you'll find they normally go twin turbo (One on either bank) and run double everything. You generally have to, with a 350ci + engine (not many single turbos will feed that big of an engine!)

A Y from the headers/manifolds, right into the turbo, is the best thing you can do... you want maximum exhaust energy into the turbo, for best performance out of the turbo.

 

Also, the reason that a lot of people do the twin turbo thing is so that you can run 2 smaller turbos to get a better spool time with the same amount of boost. The quicker you're makin' boost, the better.

BTW: WOOOHOOOO!!!!! First post of the new page. Never done that before.

 

So like... yeah... we found the problem.

Seems somehow the pressure plate and clutch plate were almost welded together. Took a very strong blow to seperate them.

Resurfacing the flywheel tomorrow morning, and tomorrow evening, we'll get back to work on her. Hopefully, that fixes the problem.

Tomorrow I've got to replace the floors and mine and my fiance's new place...

 

Nice. Very nice. Methinks your clutch isn't rated for the abuse you're dishing it

 

might need a centerforce gold or even dual friction now.

 

Dude hurry up and get that thing on the road.......a place to live is not that important......heh heh. ya'll can sleep in the car.

 

Some people also run TT because it's easier to setup. Also just because you have two turbos doesn't automatically mean more boost

You CAN run one turbo off of one bank but it'll create a huge imbalance in the motor...not good.

Doward, can't wait until you get the clutch setup...interested in some results

 

Yeah man... I'll take that turbo 3.8 DOWN!!



eh... maybe not.

 

What I wanna know, fly, is how the hell you got your hands on a TTA motor to swap in there?? Someone wreck one and ya cut a deal?

 

yah found a wrecked one online...basically the guy sold me the entire motor aside from the MAF(he kept it since orginal GM ones are hard to get).

The swap was actually pretty easy. The crossmember(stock V8 one) even had bolts drilled for the V6 mounts.

The motor is being rebuilt again since I had some freak problem with it. SOOO it gives me a reason to upgrade. I'm keeping somewhat quiet about the mods but I will say this since it's a turbo thread, I'm running a TE60 turbo. Of course to get the most out of it that requires some other mods

Doward, better be damn close to the 11's to keep up

 

Nah... I'll just let the air out of your tires

J/k!! I'd love to see the TTA run though!!

 

Doward here...

I WAITED FOUR HOURS TO HAVE MY FLYWHEEL TURNED!!!!

And then when I sent the g/f to go get it (I was at work by this time) they thought they'd screw her over, and charge her $30.

I told her that would prolly happen, and to tell them "My b/f said it was $15 last time he was here!" (actually, it was Vortex's flywheel, and it was $20 - but if you want to screw me, you're getting screwed too ) SO $15 and 4 hours later, the flywheel was done.

Flywheel is in. Clutch is in. IN the morning, the tranny, driveshaft, and shifter go in.

Screw the center console, and lower shift boot (For now) I want BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!

:hail: :hail: :hail:

 

:hail: :yourock:
We're all drooling in anticipation.

 

Saturday is Dyno Day (FL-Thirdgen.org) so we'll have some numbers for you guys then. Like... rwhp/torque, and what not.

Whether it's @ 6psi boost, or 8psi boost, remains to be seen (Hopefully we'll know tomorrow!)

 

WOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
:hail: DOWARD:hail:VORTEX:hail: BOOST :hail: DOWARD:hail:VORTEX:hail:

 

uh.. so like... it's all together... and stuff... and running.. and stuff... and uh...

stuff.



time for da test run.

and stuff.

 

Ok, sorry to be ignorant, don't have much time to read all the posts. But did you finally get the turbo project running? If so what did your dyno results show? Also, did it blow your tranny? Sorry, just need a summary .

 

Well, it is kind of a long post. They ran it once, but ran into some turbo problems. Then they created more problems by punching a hole in the oil pan. Then they fixed it up, but discovered the clutch was screwed. Then they fixed the clutch. That's where they're at right now. As shown by the above post, mark II is going out for a test drive and dyno #s are coming on the weekend.

Awesome work guys, just awesome. Can't wait to see some pics of a blur going by.

 

I hope you have a loud blowoff. That way people are like "Dude, that V6 Camaro is whooping your ***! [PSSHHTTT] What the hell was that?? Was that your car? What WAS that???!"

 

The BOV still tweets!! omg, talk about aggrevating. I think I got a BOV that actually needs more pressure to have that nice psssht sound... it's adjustable for Hard or Soft, but it does it on either side?


Yay! Took her for a run! 7psi... whoa! A bit too much... and what's that damn rattle? Sounds like that lifter tick I had, has gotten worse... really shoulda known better than to run a turbo on her, when I KNOW I've got a bad lifter.

So guess what happens? That lifter decides to REALLY take a dive now. Yay. The rearmost valve on the driver's side has about a 1/8th inch of up/down play in the pushrod. Just freaking great man....

That is #6 cylinder, right?

Cam kit on the way (The Melling MTC-5 - 204/214 @ .050, .420i lift, .443e lift, 107i 117e lsa)

Need to see who stocks valve springs. AND see if Vortex and I can either -

A) FIx the problem by saturday!!!
B) Swap a cam in, in just a couple days.

Jeeez.... one thing after another!! We'll preservere tho

Vortex... see if you can get some pics of the culprit lifter.. don't know if we can get it unstuck, or not!

 

doward, i got heads, valves, valve springs, lifters, pushrods, and a stock cam from when i did my motor work. should have something that would work for you. let me know if you need something, we'll see what we can work out. if you want my phone number to talk through it, pm me.

 

V here... 91, if we went that route, could we set somethign up to get them asap? where abouts are you at? We will have little to no tuning to do saturday before we go to Maitland to dyno it.. I work 7-4 weekdays, and i think D is off Thursday, so if he wants to pick it up, we could put it on that night and have enough time to tune the turby.. whut kind of pricing you want on that stuff? you can PM me if ya want or thru the board... either/or

Very possibly the most challenging and aggrivating project I have ever attempted.. however, even if it all ends with how it is now... it is the most rewarding..:hail:

 

you guys should get the heads too, and port them. There is ALOT of extra meat in these heads for porting, alot more than the average SBC head has.

 

Another small step for man in my project..

First, she has gauges!!! I swear if I had to stare at that 4" gas gauge one more time I was going to rip it out and .. err.. anyway.. yeah. Free v6 gauge cluster from an '85.. same car I got the T-5/bell/pedals from =) Replace speedo with original, and I've got a nice cluster with no dual-pointer speedo (eww) and the original odometer.

Second, I've got a parts header.. kinda. Picked up a free tubular exhaust manifold from a local shop.. it's for a straight six.. in something.. ford/chrysler/chev/toyota/no clue. Nice thick tubes, though.. and well bent.. cut/paste operation for my passenger side manifold =)

Problem: One of my neighbors decided they didn't like having my car parked on ramps on the street in front of my house anymore. Had to patch the whole thing back together in 30 mins and have it moved or it got towed. Needless to say I got it back together.. kinda. Unfortunately I broke the manifold-to-Y studs off, so it was kinda impossible to reattach the exhaust.. solution? You guessed it. Any time I work on it I start her up open manifold and move her.. and I always make sure my weekly start-up to lube the motor is around 9:45pm.. and of course she doesn't like idling with the total lack of back pressure, so I have to keep her above 2 grand till she warms up.. teach those pesky neighbors.. and their neighbors.. and their neighbors..

Off to Tucson next weekend (hopefully) to mill the manifold flange so I can start putting the exhaust back together. And I can run the oil line when I replace the idiot light switch =)

Anyway, hopefully Doward's project will be done (again) before mine.. this one's taking freakin' forever. No time, and at this particular moment the starter in my V8 daily driver is getting ready to die. *sigh*

 

I hear ya man! I can't wait to see how yours turns out... be cool to have a couple turbo 2.8 cruising around.

 

Well, looks like no Dyno Day for the camaro... unless Vortex and I really pull a trick outta nowhere, and are able to do a FULL CAM SWAP overnight. (Jeebus)

He pulled the distributor, and promptly called me with some bad news - metal shavings all over the distributor gear.

Definetly not cool, and now the top end's coming apart. Odds are, I'm going to go ahead and rebuild the whole top end on her. *sigh*

All this, just because I got outrun by a Civic.

So it looks like I won't have any 'added over stock' numbers for you guys... Pulling her back apart, and it'll be as follows -

MTC-5 cam kit (look at my turbo poll for the specs)

Clean up the runners, (heads and intake), pop the 16g wheel into her (16g small turbo baby!), and polish the bowls in the heads. I'm probably going to cc them first, polish, and remove a little from the bowls, to drop my cr a little. Less cr = more boost!

Probably a couple weeks worth of work there. More power, yes, but...

Hell... might as well toss the Fiero valve covers on, and the 1.6 sbc full roller rockers, as well.