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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 03:12 AM
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Question about front suspension

Ok, my front right tire is about 1' further back than my front left.


Could a bent sway bar have anything to do with this? The K-member and Control arm have both been replaced.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 05:23 AM
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why or how did the sway bar get bent? if it is i'd have it put on an alignment machine and have everythign checked, takes a lot to bend one. i'd suspect a weak spring is the cause of your problem
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 06:10 AM
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futher back??

Control Arm/bushings
unibody frame


ever been wrecked?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:04 AM
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I was planning on doing both, I just didn't know if a bent sway bar could have anything to do with it.

After avoiding a deer, the car came to a stop ~10mph when the FR tire hit a man-made ditch.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:26 AM
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I think the control arm got, persuaded.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:53 AM
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Control arm has been replaced.

Car runs/drives ok.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:03 AM
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frame/k-member got moved. Needs to be put on a frame machine and checked.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:46 AM
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yup.... the mounting point for the A arm was probly moved back a lil bit.....
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 08:07 AM
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K member has been replaced too.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Ovrclck350
K member has been replaced too.

hmm....

what about where the strut mounts to the fender? if that was moved back some it would "tilt" the wheel backwards a lil....

what are you comparing the 2 wheels to? perhaps its what you're measuring thats diffrent?


or can a K member be bolted on slightly crooked? ive never bolted one on, so i donno...



or perhaps your replacement k member was damaged...... measure teh mounting points on it?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 09:46 AM
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maybe the fender shifted? My blazer has something like this, the pass wheel is closer to the rearr of the wheel well opening than the drivers side. Still drives ok, just looks weird.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:04 PM
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I'm measuring from front of hub to start of door on each side.

K-member bolted up fine, it came off of Fred's donor 1LE.

I need to remeasure to make sure.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ovrclck350
I'm measuring from front of hub to start of door on each side.

K-member bolted up fine, it came off of Fred's donor 1LE.

I need to remeasure to make sure.

umm, the door isnt the best point to measure from...... you can SEE almost a inch of movement when you drive over bumps, dips and such...... esp with the verts...
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:29 PM
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umm, the door isnt the best point to measure from...... you can SEE almost a inch of movement when you drive over bumps, dips and such...... esp with the verts...
Agree, you do not take suspension measurments from the body. Only from other suspension points unless it is part of the uni-body struture. Door, fenders, gfx is not part of that.

Two of you take measurement from center of rear tire, to center of front tire. Both wheels facing forward/strait.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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Agree, you do not take suspension measurments from the body. Only from other suspension points unless it is part of the uni-body struture. Door, fenders, gfx is not part of that.

Two of you take measurement from center of rear tire, to center of front tire. Both wheels facing forward/strait.


just hope your back axle isnt crooked and throwing that off there too.....
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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just hope your back axle isnt crooked and throwing that off there too.....
When you get an alignment, thats what they reference off of, the other tire/rim on same side. Your front and rear tires have to be within +/- xx (different on each style of ride) of left and right, or something has to be adjusted.

BTW, your front tires usually run a wider track then your rear tires. Esp on a 4x4 truck.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
When you get an alignment, thats what they reference off of, the other tire/rim on same side. Your front and rear tires have to be within +/- xx (different on each style of ride) of left and right, or something has to be adjusted.

BTW, your front tires usually run a wider track then your rear tires. Esp on a 4x4 truck.

heh, yea.... they referance off the back axle and align the front to it......athough if his back axle bent the measurment would be off, amoung other things..... i was just making a personal ref since i know a lil about the previous owner of the car..... i wouldnt be suprised if its hit more things then billy knows about...
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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thats why I asked if the car had ever been wrecked. All he informed us about was the 10mph incident with the ditch.

If the car has been abused before him, then the axle, trailing arms, panhard bar can all be bent more then the front can adjust for, then yes it can cause it to be out of alignment.

Ovrclck350, if you have replaced any part in that front end, then it needs an alignment anyway. No two parts are identical.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 05:31 PM
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Its funny how that works but long as the tires are straight, its ok.
Might not be stock position but only thing it would do is maybe make it trun better one way then the other and it might not be as stable over 150+.

Matt
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 09:34 PM
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All of the rear is new

I'll take a measure off the rear tire tomorrow. I don't see how the door position can change, but oh well.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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Take a framing square (shaped like an "L") and hold it towards the centercap of each rim with a level attached making sure the square runs vertical- mark the ground at each tire at the base of the square (On as level of ground possible)

Next- move the car and measure from RF to LR, and then from LF to RR using the ground marking points. They should be very close to exact (+ or - 1/4") Otherwise, the car is tweaked.
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