I've always re-torqued the heads, even iron/iron, @ 500 miles... The Haynes manual even suggests it.

 

But then Doward has always been **** about everything.. including wire-wheeling and polishing even the bolts we weren't using..

 

That is fine and you are more than welcome to give an opinion but do it with out bring up your Ford. Its a thirdgen site and I can care less if a Ford never needs to chance it plugs, or tighten it heads, can do 14's on a bent rod or anything else that your Ford can do.

Chime in but leave the Ford analogies out. I don't go around Ford site chiming in on how I don't need to do that to my GM in every post???

Its lame dude.

Hang out your a good guy but plz wipe the Ford off your feet before you come in.

 

Sorry Nix if I sound like I'm getting on ya but since you got that car you have used every chance you can to bring it up, on what it can do or did do with or without this or that, bla bla bla
[Its a Ford, I don't care if it drove around the moon on 2 cylinders]

All its gonna do is lead to pissing contest, locked threads and banned people. Sooner or later your little comments no matter how small are gonna rub people the wrong way.

It already has to me...

 

hey guys


My Roomate has a 86 SC 2.8L bored 30over with a small wolverine cam, custome tuned chip, Flowmaster cat back exhaust. air box mod, k/n filter. and some other minor things.
the car runs ok. he also has a 94 grand am 4DR with a 2.3 single over head cam 4 banger thats smokes it's *** lol. so to me why waste the money on a v6 there is no replacement for displacement. you talk about a GN 3.8turbo/ sysclone 4.3 turbo yes there are fast and make HP but drop that turbo on a nice 383 and see the HP and TQ go out the roof can you say 700 FT lbs of torque but the money $$$$

what i would do if i had a v6 camaro and wanted to stay v-6 is i would no doubt go with a 3.4 since it a bolt in job.

Why? you can modd it just the same as a 2.8L right? with a bigger motor you see bigger gains. anyhow Torque is where it's at and a 2.8 don't have much torque. the 20ft lbs sounds like a deal to me.

or just drop in a 350 and really be happy.

 

Yeah?!! Well... uh.... NERD!!!

 

Your cool......

:lala:
to the real 60 degree builders........:hail:

 

Aren't the 3.1's bad oil leakers too? Or is that just in Cavaliers and Luminas? Every 3.1 that I have come across leaks oil bad! lol

 

the 3.1 transverse (fwd motors) have a bad timing cover seal and oil pan gasket leak.. 95% of the ones ive seen leak from there.

 

I see alot of tran. 3.1's with leaking distributor O-rings too. (And the valve covers leak their *** off!)

 

the o-rings can go bad but i don't think that's anything partial to the 3.1s. and, put rubber gaskets on the valve covers and make sure the bolts stay tight and they won't leak at all.

 

ROTFLMAO. There is a LOT of misinformation in this thread, too much in fact.

Guys to listen to in this thread are Dale, and 614streets, and tidbits from other posters. I'm not sure what builds Dale has done, but he seems to know what's what, and 614streets has built the baddest, most creative 2.8 660 I have seen to date, well except for the one I have built in my mind for my other project, still sourcing parts for it.

Oh well, have fun.

I know what can be done with some creativity and some real desire, seen a few 660s outperform much larger and "better" engines, you just have to look around for them.

349 HP 2.5L N/A 660 anyone?

 

lol

 

This Is a VERY good question concerning the posters on this topic. I For one, have built up a few sbc's, thats about it. Oh, and a ford 5.0 motor. I work full time as a mechanic (apparently a crappy one, lol). What do you people do, what are your occupations, experiences with build ups???? I really could care less what a kid has to say that has no experience building motors...Misinformation is just that...That's why people get corrected

 

i have about 3.5 years in the automotive paint and body industry and am not in the industry right now although i do still do some side jobs and keep my contacts. i have not built a lot of motors but i have built a couple and i know what's involved in them. i atleast pick up as much knowledge as i can and apply it wherever i can. a 60* v6 built in my shed that runs low 15s in the 1/4 mile is kinda cool, no?

 

So if there is no replacement for displacement, why does the 2.8 lose to the 2.3?

Idiot.

350's are pieces of ****, they have worse efficiency than even the 2.8. The only thing they have going for them is the extra displacement. To get any kind of decent performance out of one you needs to drop $1k on some good heads, redo the whole valvetrain, headers, convert it to carb or spend another $1k on a mini/stealth ram because the TPI sucks at anything above 4800rpm, etc. And then all you end up with is a relly fast land boat with horrible body roll.

But then again, you basically need to do the same to a 2.8 to get any power out of it.

I laugh at all the retards who have a stock 350/305 and think they are fast.

 

Well, I'm sure a lot of what you say is valid... but then why do funny cars, and NASCAR cars, and race boats and... you get the point, run V8's?

 

they dont use crappy 350 TPI's.

The 350TPI is a bad engine, to make any kind of decent power (for its size) you have to litterally change ever part that comes with it to a better part.

 

Rules would be the big problem. Why when ever someone build an engine the over take a racing class they change the rules.

Make ever form of racing an open sport and I bet you would see plenty of quad turbo 4 cyl Honda's racing in the indy 500.

 

doubt that...i know i'd laugh if i did see it

 

"Blum blum blum blum"

"Vrooom blum blum VROOOOOM blum blum blum"

"BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!"

 

Doward here.... my thoughts exactly....

 

That's hilarious! Those Imports are dipping into the 8's now.... And, yes, a carbed 350 is the way to go......unless you like fuel economy above 10 miles to the gallon.

 

Did i mention any thing about my 305 being fast. no i didn't. so keep your pie hole shut. also with the 2.3 grand am engine there are other things that factor into why the grand am out runs the 2.8L. For one it is a lighter car and it also makes more power too. Why cause the 2.3 SOHC has 4 valves a cylinder that helps make it breath . taking with all things being equal like the grand am being a 2 valve engine like the 2.8 yes the 2.8 will make more power than the 2.3. like a said before will all things being equal. Also dollar for doller spent on a 2.8L and a 3.1L what will make more power for the money. I would say the 3.1L

you also talk about efficeincy. How come my little POS 305 gets better gas mileage on the highway than roomates 2.8L camaro.i can get 26MPG with that pos 305. where as the 2.8L gets 20 mpg.