I don't own any headers???? Neither are "tuned". From what I have been told though is the PF&E header primaries are all the same length except #5 was just slightly shorter (almost tuned). The P/Ser's are all different lengths, you can clearly see that in the picture. They still look great and would be well worth the money over stock exhaut manifolds.

Just for reference, PFE are 1 1/2" to 2"y-pipe to 2 1/2" merge into cat. 16"long primaries, #5 is 14 1/2"

Hookers are 1 1/2" to dual 2 1/4" (no y-pipe), 23" long tuned primaries.

Heddman are 1 1/2" to dual 2 1/2" (no y-pipe), 23" long tuned primaries

 

i might have to measure but i don't think my hookers are 1.5" primaries. more like 1.25 i think.

 

O.D. diameter of Hooker primary tubes is definately 1 1/2" Exhausrt tubes are always guage as O.D and not I.D.

 

i am well aware of this.

i just went and measured a set of hooker headers for this engine/car that i have sitting in my garage...they measured just shy of 1.4" OD with a couple of fairly thick coats of powder coating. i don't think that's a 1.5" tube, sorry. and, yes, that was on a straight part of tubing, not a bend or anything.

 

Don't know what everything around here has to be an arguement, especially when I am stating a fact. Unfortunately the camara flash will not come in clearer to read the tape but you can see that I have first hand proof that they are exactly 1.5" dia tubing. Also these are original out of the box uncoated (they did not come powdercoated) thin layer of black paint only Hooker headers for a 82-92 V6 Camaro.

 

These pictures are from Agood2.8- Here are his Hookers, Heddmanns, and PF&Es for comparison. You can see the primaries on the Hookers and heddmanns are the same, but the merger is smaller on the Hookers at 2 1/4", while the Heddmanns have 2 1/2" merge collectors

 

Cool!!
From what I can tell from the pictures it looks like basically all that Pace Setter would need to do is eliminate the EGR hook up from the header. I will have to try to get a picture of the passenger side of my engine b/c basically that is where the difference lies.

 

Halfpint still saying you don't own the headers? 2.8 did... I almost got banned along with you over arguements on them. I left the boards and returned to find you banned. Makes me glad I left.
Read below and see if you still do not own the PF&E headers... If you want I will find the thread and date.


Post from a while ago... by Agood2.8

"Sorry guys- six months ago I would have been game for this, but I now have headers and am not going to worry about it anymore- just do the swap game if I "randomly" get hit with a "Test only" smog check, otherwise I have a source.

Also- another main reason- I have 100% back Greg a PF&E with the efforts that he put into designing headers- I now have custom y-pipe headers for a 60*v6 3rd gen f-body and Greg has my word that I will not let anyone steal his design.

Alot of you guys claim to have cash in hand for headers- but if you did- rest assured you would have bought a set from PF&E (49 states can use his design legally) yet knowone else outsde of Calif has bought a set. And rest assured his are much better than what Pacesetter will mass build. Sorry I can't help- I'm a man of my word!

Dean"

 

i don't want this to be a big arguement. but, a tape measure is not a good way to measre tubes like that. i know that they didn't come powder coated, i powder coated them. this set in the pics happens to be Eric's. i powder coated the set i have on my car too.

look closely, that dial caliper is showing just a few hundreths shy of 1.4" and again, that's with a couple of good coats of powder on there which can really be pretty thick.

 

here's another shot, sorry they're a little blury.

 

Ya know, I definetly can't blame anyone for trying to get a point across.
And over a silly little bit of metal.
A great occassion has finally appeared, so close to our Dirty Little Speed Freaking Hands to show to all the Smog Check Stations around this USofA.
And I do accept that the difference in size can contribute to engine performance.

Let the point rest.

LET'S INSTEAD CELEBRATE WE FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO PURCHASE STREET LEGAL HEADERS FOR OUR UNDERDOG
F-BODYS.
SOMEONE SEND IN THAT HEAD BANGING BEEVIS AGAIN!
I LIKED THAT RESPONSE!

 

i agree here! if they are bigger than my hookers, i might be interested in a set! but, i am very happy to see that a company finally did make some for us!!

 

nice work, Alan... Def 1.25" - I'm betting on 1 3/8" tho... Your motor would make better use of 1.5" pri's (IMHO), but a stocker would work very well with 1 3/8" primaries, into 2.25" collectors...

What's the word on the size/price of the pacesetters?

 

For sizes 7& prices, I still sggest contacting
fgerle@pacesetterexhaust.com
NOW for comparison,
Visit Pace Setter Exhaust webiste, scout around for the 3.4 pipes used for 4th Gen F Body.
I believe the specs would/will be near identical.
I can't wait to go to my first Smog Check Test Only with my ride wearing those STREET LEGAL HEADERS FROM PACE SETTER! And just point the CARB Exempt tag!
It will be as much fun as my First CA Smog check.
I paid a 12 pack & $26 for the piece of paper from some ex-Hells Angels bikers who ran the shop. Back in 1984, I think the first year of the Smog Check Program.

 

Ked you're worse than pop-up ads with this Pacesetter thing. No offense just an observation And PF&E went out of the way to bring you guys a product you were asking for. So qhatever reason you guys have for hating them please remember the effort they've put forth.

And to the guy that got impatient with PF&E.... They are a small operation but they get way more work than they can handle. They don't even advertise or have a website but by word of mouth they keep busy. If its from doing 7-8 second race car fabrication to headers and exhaust or prototype work for the big three they stay very busy. Its not like you're dealing with P/S here...

 

Just a Proud Papa!
Again, anyone who makes a product for a dead engine & dead car deserves around of applause.
Plenty of room in the performance market place for players.
Yet, Pace Setter was smart enough to offer purchasers a street legal exhaust system product and at a very fair price. And I helped ALONG WITH ANY ONE ELSE WHO SENT AN EMAIL to make it happen.
I can't wait to try out their products on my car and go for a smog check!

 

Karl, congrats on getting this project moving so well! That carb # is well worth the price!

 

I looked up the Pace Setter web site, looks like you're gonna have something the 3.4 & 3800 headers wont have, C.A.R.B. number

 

No, I Believe, after discussion this 3rd Gen V6 project with Mr. Fred Gerle at Pace Setter, the 3.4 pipes for the 4th Gen should certainly be street legal. He told me, originally, to get him a car "ASAP" as pipes for the 4th Gen were going to CARB for approval.
I've noticed the internet is not always on top or updated of recent developements

 

I was wondering....I went to chevy dealership before to see about putting headers on my camaro and they said it would be an expensive job because they would most likely have to drill out the bolts and re-tap the holes since the bolts will most likely strip. He said its a typical thing that happens to the bolts on the exhaust manifolds for chevy v6's from 89-92. I want to know if anyone has ever taken off their manifolds and encountered any serious problems, or is this guy at the chevy dealership just trying to make some money off of me?? I am looking forward to these headers....i am going to be putting a v8 in in the future (the far future, progressive rebuild of a 92 350 and th350 tranny) but I want to fool around with the v6 while I have the chance.

Dave M.
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84 Z28 stock
89 RS 2.8l v6 - black w/t-tops,3" cat + catback, msd 6a ignition, new distributor, accel 8.8mm wires, rapidfire plugs, ram air intake.
soon to come - posi rearend, headers, dynatech 3' high flow cat, magnaflow muffler, and new paint job.

 

breaking the bolts is very possible. i had a couple break off on me before.

 

And it's no biggie.
Just grab a vise-grip and have at it.
The Chevy dealer guy is "correct" as that can happen to really ANY car.

 

When I took the manifolds of my '86 blown 77K 2.8 and then also took the manifols off my '94 3.4 junkyard engine w/66k, I had no problem with the manifold bolts on either engine. I found this very surprising as when I took the exhaust manifold/converter off my 3.3/200/I-6 1980 Mercury Capri, I broke 3 bolts off. The "easy swap" I expected, a 1979 manifold w/o converter and 1979 headpipe, became a major pita because I had 3 broken bolts. Doubling the exhaust manifold gaskets didn't take care of the leak. If anyone asked, I told them I had a clifford dual outlet manifold and a turbo muffler. I was bad back then. I guy had a slant six cuda and it sounded really great. To this day, we think he took a standard muffler and poked a few holes in it to get that sound.

 

IF ya still know that guy with the Slant Six BARAcuda! AND he has a 1964 - 1969 model year, tell him I have the front Dual Piston disc brake calipers with spindles for sale. NO rotors.
IN-line Six in the 1980 Capri?

 

The inline six(200cid/3.3L), was used as a replacement for the short in supply(aparently) 2.8 V-6 that was in the Mustang II. This motor also was used in the Fairmont and later the Fox frame LTD. Interestingly, if you had a 4 or 8 cylinder in a fox body, no K-member swap is needed to go to a V-8. The I-6 however, took a unique K-member and if you had a I-6 Fairmont/Mustang/Capri/Courgar of the 79-82 vintage, to put a V-8 in, a swap to the 4 or 8 cylinder K-frame would be required.

All this knowledge, but no vehicle to apply...

Rick