well time for an update...

the engine is completly stripped down and ill be doing some measuering next week to see what kind of machine work it will need. doesnt appear to need any thing major so i may not have to bore it any. i will be taking it to the shop to get it cleaned up and ill be painting it also, i may just do it black as i dont want to have to clean it all the damn time and that way it wont be nasty rust color

now the fun begins....ordering parts woohoo :evillol: i found two cams
Crane(specs are in summit)
ARI cam for 138.48 with a 204 214 duration .050 1500-4000 RPM

not sure which one to go with on that one

Pistons unfortunatly will not be forged as i cant afford the 600 bucks for them and still be able to do anything else ARI has the hyp(i cant spell the rest) pistons for it which i hear is a little better than cast....should i replace the rods as well?

ARI also sells stainless vavle set for 159.95 and a spring set for 64.95

well thats all i got at the moment as im not at home to see my list haha just spreading the information as i come across it

 

well its a good thign for me that my hours at work have picked up and i may be working a second job at tri state satelite for awhile to pay for all this....more progress to report today

i sent the block over to wassamers machine shop to have it cleaned up and eventually bored .30 over when i get the pistons, i figure thats not to extreme and will give me a bit more power.

well i changed my mind and i went with a forged set of pistons and hopefully i will get those fairly soon along with those i also got a set of cromoly rings with them.

think thats all i have to report at the moment, next week im gonna start in on the heads as i cant do anything else till i get the pistons and block

 

well heres what im working with so far, am i forgetting anything?

94 Camaro 3.4L V6 ($527)
Bored .30 over ($100)
Stock Crank
ARI forged pistons ($600)
Stock Rods
chromoly rings ($35)
ARI Cam and Lifters ($138.48)
Specs: 204 in 214 ex dur .050 1500-4000 RPM
Cloyes timing chain

Heads ported and polished
Crane Gold rockers 1.6 (maybe)
Chromoly Rods(measured to fit rockers)
Fiero Valve covers
Springs and retainers?

thats all i got for now....if the pistons ever come in i might actually get the engine in my xmas

 

614 street had a good post on valve seals. On why he mixed n match them with very good reasons why. search valve seal and look for post by a guy with that similar name.

 

will do.....well i started in on the heads today....got them torn down and began sand blasting them....im just about finished with one but it takes a good amount of time. hopefully i can get a digital camera to post some pics....finally some progress

 

very nice, keep us updated

 

wanted to run an idea by you guys, once im done sandblasting and i get my block back im going to paint it....i was thinking about doing the block a grey of some sort, gunmetal, and doing the heads and valve covers black or something along that route, any other ideas would be apprecieated

 

My block is teal, with gunmetal heads.

I've done orange with black
I;ve done blue with silver also

Honestly, once its in and everythings on it, you cant see the block unless its a bright color.

 

do you have any pics...i really thought about doing it teal to match my car but wasnt sure how that would look so pics would be freaking awesome lol.

well one thing is i didnt want anything flashy just becuase this engine for now is gonna be a hell of a sleeper, once the turbo goes in i guess it wont much matter though mwhahah
mostly just paiting so its protected and looks a little better

 

well i was trying to find a camera before i got both heads done so i could show the before and after but i couldnt and i had free time so i went ahead and finished. both heads are now sandblasted and ready to be painted, what kind of primer/paint should i use?

also any helpful information on porting/polishing would be appreciated

 

ITS LIKE XMAS!!! the pistons arrived today and are at the machine shop, hope they get it done soon the clock is ticking before i have to have the engine at least as done as i can before december....i may have to just build it and put it in at a lata date

the cam and lifters along witth the piston rings should be in today....i kinda have to wait on the bill from the machine shop before i can order anymore parts

say i have to wait till xmas break to put the engine in....wonder if anyone will donate a garage and his big sexy muscles hahaha

 

sorry I didnt see this back later that day.

I dont have pics of the camaro engine, but I did have some of the old s10 engine. I painted it candy blue.

On the heads, make sure the paint you use is high-heat.
Paint on my block is not high-heat, and working fine so far.

 

well i finally got the block back yesterday, took it over to school and cleaned it out somore and went ahead and installed my cam(seeing as its the only part i have)

the pistons are still at the machine shop as for some reason i didnt get any wrist pins with them grrr, thats gonna put a lot of the build on hold till i manage to get ahold of them. once i get those and the bearings ill have most of the block assembled....theres no way this is gonna get done by time im outtve school for winter break

 

sounds like its coming along just fine

 

yeah i wish i had more time, but i have to have it at least together by begining of december....

ordered my gaskets as well as some rod beraings from summit, trying to find main cap bearings somwhere in stock cuz i need them soon.

im gonna double check this question the timeing chain for the 3.1 and 3.4 are the same right?

tomorrow im hitting up the parts store for an oil and water pump as well as the crank and cam sensors woohooo

also does anyone have the rebuild torqu nubmers for the bolts online? cuz i dont have access to the manual at school unfortunatly

 

chain for 2.8/3.1/3.4 is same. If you get the cloyes, you can not run the center guide.

No need for cam and crank sensors unless your running DIS. Just plug them with freeze plugs. Crank one on the size is a 3/4 plug

Are you needing torque specs for different bolts? I think the haynes manual has that, 15 bux at parts store while your getting other parts.

 

well i got some parts in finally, got my rod bearings but the mains had to be special ordered

ok the gasket sets i got i think may be wrong, i got the 3.1 head gasket set....wouldnt that be the same as a 3.4?

then i also got a set for the 3.1-3.4 for oil pan timing cover and stuff of that nature....wondering if thats right or if i was smoking some bad stuff that night haha

the timing chain is also on its way should be here monday i think....till i get the mains and the freaking wrist pins for the pistons im kinda at a stand still again

 

all of the 60* v6 gasket kits are the same, get fel-pro

 

thats what i got

 

they are all for the same thing, it should say on there for 2.8,3.1 and 3.4

or 173 192 207

 

The head gaskets themselfs are different for 2.8/3.1 to 3.4.

Rest of the gaskets for a 3.1 should work.

 

fel- pro rebuild kit says it works for all 3 of the engines, but besides the point is there anyone who makes metal head gaskets for 60* v6?

 

just curious but if you can use either 3.1 or 3.4 heads on the 3.4 block why would the gaskets be diffrent? can i still use the 3.1 gaskets so i dont have to buy any more?

well the timing chain came in today woohoo now if only my main bearings get here soon ill be able to start putting some stuff together

i couldnt find any better gaskets than what fel pro offers

 

gaskets are the same

those wrist pins come yet?

 

no likely they will come next week but with the holiday coming up i dont know when ill get them, if i can get the wrist pins and the bearings ill have the whole bottom end together in a day or two...least thats the plan, i need to go out to the junkyard and see if i can find a 3.1 and get soem bracketry off it. that way i can get as much of the engine together without having to pull my engine out first

 

not trying to be a dick here, but autozone.com says..

1991 3.1, headgaskets, 8699pt-2
1994 3.4, headgaskets, 9105pt

Part numbers different, so I bought 3.4 head gaskets.

Also
3.1 is 3.50 bore
3.4 is 3.62 bore

IMO, thats quite a bit, and I would belive the gaskets to be different. Just my thoughts :shrug:

 

haha i dont think your being a dick....thanks for clearing that up a little im just trying to get the right info. can the 3.4 head gaskets be bought by themself and how much if you know off hand?

i got the 3.1 timing chaing as summit didnt list a cloyes for the 3.4...wonder why that is

 

if you got cloyes for 2.8, its what you needed.

Yes, I got 3.4 gaskets by them selfs. For my area, zone listed them as 15bux each. That is the felpro part number I listed.

 

wouldnt 3.1 and 2.8 be the same?

ariight thats cool guess ill have to hit up the zone...auto zone haha, ill add that to my list of parts i gotta get from the store anyways 15 bucks each definitly wont kill me thats the cheapest bill yet haha

 

my apologies dale, i was told they were all the same by my local napa.

your right, my bad

 

well time for a little update.....seeing as my main bearings still havent shown up im no longer able to do this project at school. lucky for me my friends dad is gonna give me a hand and a place to do it. would you all belive that an entire dissasembled 3.4 will fit in the front and back seat only of a camaro(no trunk) haha made my car sit like there was a huge freaking person in there with me, had a tight pimp lean

anyways im gonna do some work on it tonight, hopefully get the rings on the pistons and maybe do some gasket matching with the heads and smooth out the exhuast ports, main thing tonight is to get everything cleaned up where im doing this and get everythign layed out and ready to go on the engine when the bearings get here, ill try to get some pics if i can come across a digi, thats all i have to report so far, goal is to have it in shortly after the new year

 

well sorry for no updates in forever on this project, unfortunatly a lot of stuff came up and ive made...well....no progress lol however i have started in on it again, the block, heads, valve covers and oil pan are all going to be powdercoated(color undetermined) and then ill be putting the bottom end together. my car is on stands in the driveway so hopefully ill get to work on it a lot more now that im no longer driving it. soon as the bottom end is together ill be pulling parts of the 3.1 off so that i can finish the 3.4....hopffully ill have pics and updates more often now that its getting warm
Steve

 

cant wait for updates,

i fit my 302 block on the driverseat of the camaro
she was slammed

 

well at least you still have the project we lost ours completely... my friend and i were gonna swap a 3.1 for a 3.8 and when were goin to get the car his dad flips on him and told it would never work it was

 

i liked proving my dad wrong

 

yea me and him both want shove it in his face.

 

Reading your trial of building your 3.4 is why I installed a used running long block, low milage.
The trial you've reported is also why I still not have my 1970 LT-1 built & in my 1967 RS/SS 4-Speed Camaro Convertible. I'm down to having to do one cylinder head, port polish it, and have to buy new valves (1.94/1.5, undercut stems). It took me 10 hours to do the last cylinder head. Amateur hours LOLOL! but coached by a pro.
Things happen.
Cut your Dad some slack. It's not a true cakewalk to insert a 3800 engine into our F Body. Some engineering required, but yes do-able.

 

yeah that does suck he wouldnt let ya do it, lucky for me my parents have no say in what goes on with my cars, i pay for all of it myself. its been so long since ive looked at any of the 3.4 swap stuff im gonna have to go and re read all of the info again lol....hopefully ill be able to get the block assembled in the next month or so....im taking my time with this wanna make sure its done right

 

well my friend had the money his dad wouldnt let us use his gargage! and he thought the idea was stupid all together

 

hey look...PROGRESS

 

well that picture posted really crappy like but you get the idea....one on the left is powdercoated in an aluminum color and the one on the right is fresly sandblasted.....what do you all think

for a better looking picture and progress on powdercoating go here

http://www.deadbird.org/swin/index.php?showtopic=181

 

You have powder coated the heads?
Hope the process holds up well.
Nice idea.
Keep at it.

 

im pretty sure it will hold up....at least way better than paint. the other head should be done or done soon...kev(deadbird) has to order some more aluminum powder to do my engine block then that will be done. im happy with it so far, cant wait to see how the teal powder comes out on the valve covers and some brackets

 

Make sure all bolt holes & areas threaded have some tape in them on them over them.
Learned that once doing my bicycle frame.
Why not Fiero valve covers done at same time as a a spare pair option for more dazzle?

 

because i havent found any yet lol, that would be the main reason, all our junkyards around here olnly have the 4 banger fieros

 

MORE PROGRESS!!!

coat of relective chrome to start

 

then Candy Teal

 

Valve covers and heads together

 

thats all for now, i have to say im very happy with how that has turned out so far....all powdercoating is being done by a fellow member of this board...Deadbird

 

well what do you all think so far....the block should be the same color as the heads and the bracketry will be the candy teal