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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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aluminum driveshaft people!!look

ok, this is a question i need please, if anybody knows post post post!! i have a 88 camaro with a 700r4 v6 tranny, right now im in the middle of a 2.8 to a 3.4 v6 project, out of what type of vehical and year of vehical can i get one??
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 04:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure they cam in almost all GTA's, but you will probably have to change the rear U joint, as they have a different rear end yoke for the Aussie 9 bolt.
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 05:32 PM
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Not too sure about that one, I don't think all GTAs got them. I think 1LE cars did though. And you could get them out of LS1s too.
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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Are you sure the Aluminum dr shaft will fit. Didn't V-6 cars have a two piece dr shaft???
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 06:51 PM
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Are you sure the Aluminum dr shaft will fit. Didn't V-6 cars have a two piece dr shaft???
mines a 1 peice, they all fit. trust me on that one
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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the 4th gen V6 cars got the 2 pc driveshaft. easiest way to find on ein a junkyard, is to bring along a magnet & hop from f-body to f-body, autos only.
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 08:44 PM
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I have a 4th gen LS1 (aftermarket- but made to fit stock)carbon fiber driveshaft in my car.The exact length off the top of my head is aprox 43.5" from u-joint to u-joint.
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Old Sep 14, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by TA
I'm pretty sure they cam in almost all GTA's, but you will probably have to change the rear U joint, as they have a different rear end yoke for the Aussie 9 bolt.
I didnt haqve an aluminum drave shaft but I one converted from a 10 bolt to an Auzzie 9 bolt and used my old steel drive shaft and the rear yoke was the same .... just bolted right in! So you should have no problems if you switch to the aluminum drive shaft with the 10 bolt. I believe the yolks are all the same.
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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well, i do know for sure that its a one piece for sure....As far as i see it i havnt seen a post yet of this kind of question, i need an exact answer to what they come out of
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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They came in top end third gens, or thirdgens that went in under warranty for vibration complaints.

You can also jack them out of 93-97 LT1 Camaros/Birds
You can also jack them out of 98-02 LS1 Camaros/Birds

They all bolt right up.

The 93-02 V6 f-bodys do have a 2-piece shaft, you dont want that.

Take a magnet with when you go "shopping"
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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i saw mention of "auto's only" i have a stick shift. can i pull the alluminum driveshaft out of an automatic and use it on my manual transmision?
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 09:20 PM
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i think you'll have to change the front yoke to use one from an auto on your manual. i could be wrong but its not hard anyways. also, a magnet won't hurt but remember, if you see rust on it, you know its not aluminum since aluminum does not rust.
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 11:16 PM
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I belive the auto & stick trannies had different legnth driveshafts, that's why I mentione d autos only. since you have a manual, just look in those cars.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 12:43 AM
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The driveshafts were exactly the same between my 85 with a stick and my 91 with an auto.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 06:35 AM
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manual and auto swap with no issues.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 09:35 AM
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Car: 13 Ram 1500/ 78 Formy
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my bad
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 06:53 AM
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well i did not find one. did get a set of alumminum brake drums and a neat mettal lid for the well out of an 84` TA. had to dremal the crap out of it to make it fit, but it is cool.
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 09:32 AM
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ok, so what kind of aluminum parts can i get for the 88 third gen?
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 12:04 PM
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Transmission: 700R4, 4L60E
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XO, what stuff were u needing? u said metal lid, like a glovebox door? I've got one for ur style car, the rubber seperated at the bottom, but u can't tell from the top side...stopped using it when i went 4th gen....if ur interested, PM me, we can work something out.

Can get all types of aluminum parts, if you're really ballsy you can even get an aluminum engine (think ls1) then get urself that aluminum driveshaft, mix it all up with a not so aluminum t56, and you'll be in business. and having fun all the days of ur life.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:35 AM
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no, i meant that i wanted the rear cargo cover that was mounted to the car, it folded open like the hatch does. and io allready got one now
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:26 AM
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while in my t5 swap process, I brought out the home scale.

Our v6 driveshaft only weights 12lbs. Its smaller diameter then v8 ones.

I dont think I will be upgrading because 100-150 bucks to drop 1 lb is not worth it to me.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Dale
while in my t5 swap process, I brought out the home scale.

Our v6 driveshaft only weights 12lbs. Its smaller diameter then v8 ones.

I dont think I will be upgrading because 100-150 bucks to drop 1 lb is not worth it to me.
I thought - Oh nice! We've got a lighter driveshaft! - then reality hit, and I realized to torque I'll be shoving through that thing
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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I figured you, oilpan, am91 so far are the only ones that would really need to worry about it.

I think as of right now, nobody else is close to the 200hp/250+ tq.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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why do you think that we will need to be the ones to worry? just considering the diameter of the stock one? you thinking its possibly a little on the small/weak side for a "higher" torque car?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:19 PM
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Am91, yes thats what I'm thinking. We get into the 200hp/250tq, your talking stock 305 power range, thus a v8 with larger driveshaft.

Or has anyone checked the size/weight of the 305 driveshaft? Is it a "v6" driveshaft?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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Well, when I get traction, I think we'll know for sure then, if it'll handle 300+ lbs/ft of tq.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
I figured you, oilpan, am91 so far are the only ones that would really need to worry about it.

I think as of right now, nobody else is close to the 200hp/250+ tq.
I resent that! On juice i'm closer to 230 I'd imagine...we'll see in a few weeks when I dyno this thing...
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 06:35 PM
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How much juice are you running?

Am I the most powerful 60V6 on here?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 06:47 PM
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fbod, I have no clue as to your mods, or how much power your pushing.

Doward, yes I belive you are currently the most powerful.


DDD says I'm about about 195hp, but I dont belive it. Car is to slugish compared to my old s10 that DDD rated a much less power.

I get this damn 5sp and proper gears in, I'm dynoing this basterd along with a bit of track time.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Project: 85 2.8 bird
I belive the auto & stick trannies had different legnth driveshafts, that's why I mentione d autos only. since you have a manual, just look in those cars.
Autos and manuals are the same length. Any one piece drive shaft from a 85+ f-body will fit another f-body of any year except the thirdgens that got the saginaw 4 speed or the 200r4. You do not need to change the yoke on any, even going v6 to v8, or auto to manual or vice versa, all the same length.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
fbod, I have no clue as to your mods, or how much power your pushing.

Doward, yes I belive you are currently the most powerful.


DDD says I'm about about 195hp, but I dont belive it. Car is to slugish compared to my old s10 that DDD rated a much less power.

I get this damn 5sp and proper gears in, I'm dynoing this basterd along with a bit of track time.
An S-10 is light, that's why it felt different..lol. As for my mods:
Long tubes
Dumps
Cam (same as Doward)
3.4
50-80shot of juice, wet.
Shiftkit, built trans
Slow on motor (until the heads go on), much less slow when juicing.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
I figured you, oilpan, am91 so far are the only ones that would really need to worry about it.

I think as of right now, nobody else is close to the 200hp/250+ tq.
*cough*
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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you never drive yours, it dont count j/k


Yes, I forgot about you.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dale
Am91, yes thats what I'm thinking. We get into the 200hp/250tq, your talking stock 305 power range, thus a v8 with larger driveshaft.

Or has anyone checked the size/weight of the 305 driveshaft? Is it a "v6" driveshaft?
i didn't know there was a difference in driveshaft diameter. i am running 13.7's at 100mph with my 305. it's putting out roughly 325ft/lbs. i have run drag radials at the track with it too. originally a v6 car and has the original shaft in it. it seems to work fine so far...
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by pasky
Autos and manuals are the same length. Any one piece drive shaft from a 85+ f-body will fit another f-body of any year except the thirdgens that got the saginaw 4 speed or the 200r4. You do not need to change the yoke on any, even going v6 to v8, or auto to manual or vice versa, all the same length.
No 200 R4... it was a 200C 3 speed auto

or did the TTA's come with the 200 R4?
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Old Jan 22, 2005 | 01:59 AM
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you never drive yours, it dont count
Rarely would be the word... but when I do drive her, I worry about the entire drivetrain every time the boost gauge starts moving into positives ... motor failed before the driveshaft, though
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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so anyone that gets the turbo kit will need a new driveshaft, rebuilt tranny, rear-end, and prolly a rebuilt motor fairly soon??
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