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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Please Help A Kid Out

Alright, i have an 83 camaro berli 2.8L carbbed, its my first car and i love it to death......and well.....i have replaced every friggin part that has to do with the gas, and i still get no milage! heres what i have replaced

- Timing chain
-Timing gears
-distributor cap
- rotor
-fuel filter
-PCV filter (was clogged with what smelt like gas)
- plugs
-wires
-air filer

bought an 02 sensor..found out my car doesnt have one

So i went shopping around for some other stuff to attempt a fix...well the last thing possible the mechanic said was a carburator.....so im like....alright, 150 bucks, that should be all right? WRONG! 400 bucks! like...yea right....17 year old kid, trying to pay insurance and gas right now and i have to pay for a 400 rebuilt carb!!?!?. WHAT CAN I DO!!! i need some options....i cant drive like this for much longer, going into the gas station every 2-3 days to fill up a v-6 just isnt cool.

Please tell me theres other options. And how hard is it to rebuild a carb?? they have kits for it im just wondering if its hard or not. cause im not paying 400 bucks

thanx alot
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:39 PM
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Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
Engine: Turbocharged/Intercooled 3.1
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Is yours the electric carb, or what?
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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nah man i didnt see any wires coming out of the carb when i looked for if it had an 02 sensor....if its any help carb number is c9620
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:50 PM
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Look on your carb, you will find a number that begins with '1707' - what is the number?
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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didnt see that number man
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 12:06 AM
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Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
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It's on there... you should have a Rochester DualJet or VaraJet on there - look on the main body of it. (unbolt it, if you have to, lol)
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 12:20 AM
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heh define 'no mileage.'

I thought my v6 was bad but I just accepted it. Then I bought my TA and, no joke, put 300 kms on it over 60 bucks of gas. :shrug:
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Car: 1983, 1986
Engine: 2.8 2bbl, 2.8 MPFI
Transmission: 200C 3 speed, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08, 3.42
Well I got a carbed 83 with the electronics....

Seeing you are in Canada your carb is probably not electronic.

Just for reference, with mine in top tune I get about 17-19mpg on the highway. My car has the 200C 3 speed trans (no overdrive), 3.08 rear gears (I believe). On the highway, I average about 2900 rpms at 70 mph.

Hope this can help you
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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Car: 1983, 1986
Engine: 2.8 2bbl, 2.8 MPFI
Transmission: 200C 3 speed, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08, 3.42
Also rebuilding the carb is not hard... just alot of details. Carb rebuild kits go for about 30 bucks
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 10:19 AM
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On the carb on the front body is a VERTICLE number sequence.
Your carb is identical probably to my 1985 Blazer set up (Federal 49 state version).
As you stated no wires and a small cap distributor with separate coil.
Your carb rebuild WILL cost $400.
I had that tab my first rebuild of the 2 Varijet ESE.
My second was way less!
Your throttle body is shot on primary side (loose shaft allows air/fuel ratio to go in & out synch).
Rest of carb will have "dirt" in it due to old fuel system.
What ya do.
Here's what I did.
One accept poor milage & cost of extensive modifications.
Those modifications include a newer 3.4 engine & more modern tranny. That's extensive modifications!
More cost limited include
an Accel coil to increase spark for more efficent burning of gas for better power.
Match that to better spark plug wires. I like Accel 8.8s
Increase air to carb by a fresh air kit, make one yourself, it's easy, do a search & have some fun!
Remove distributor for a better rebuild and newer vacuum advance set up. Put in performance parts from Accel (spring kits cost like $5-7 and do wonders for power! & milage)
Add an "efficent" exhaust system. That can be as much as a newer Cat convertor & new muffler. More extensive is all new pipe set up (I would not add headers to your car, no gain for the effort).

What ya need in end is as mentioned above, extensive mods to really gain back fuel milage. Or dump the ride (not a mean statement to ya!) & go for more modern ride with better milage.

Yeah carb rebuilds can go for that much!

There is no "aftermarket carb" either.
Only other set up is a whole new intake/carb & that goes for about $600 new. Ebay for less, yes, but the effort when ya just rebuild what ya got.
Ask the guy if he will also include the new choke pull off pots. They are expensive like $80, EACH! And again mention that ya want the primary throttle shaft bushings replaced, too.
Aged car parts do go hand in hand with an expensive tab.

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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 10:46 AM
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This should be what your engine looks like, or close to it.
PS Your current F Body is excellent foundation for upgrading to a V8 package!
NO Electronics to rewire nor a gas tank to search for.
Go get the V8 mounts, better tranny (slips right in), add the V8 & corresponding suspension set up to handle the rest of weight.
Yes your milage will increase due to more torque.

I do 3.4 swaps due to SoCal Emissions laws. Easier to keep passing these rides, no one knows the difference between a 2.8 or 3.4 & I don't say a word.
I've paid $800 & $900 for the 3.4 mills & spend like a total of $1,000 for swap project. That's not including tranny rebuilds!
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Car: 1988 Chevy Camaro Hardtop
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Rebuild kit should cost no more than $22 from Autozone.

You can try rebuilding it yourself... if you'd like (and can be without the carb for like 2 weeks) then PM me, and I'll rebuild it for you.
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 11:20 AM
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OR how about a 3.4 block, Edelbrock 4V 60º intake, and a 390cfm Holley carb?
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Shaft bushings and warpage are the most common leaks in carbs.

Both can be fix but wont be part of any rebuild kit. You can double up on gaskets for a warped carb body. Shaft bushing are a tad harders as you gotta remove the shafts to replace them.
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Removing the shaft's not a problem. I did that when I rebuilt my QJet. I've also got a guy in NJ that has all the bushings for Rochestor carbs, so I can get those replaced - not a problem.
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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I had an 82 with the same problem. What transmission do you have. I had he th200 in mine and a buddy had the 5spd manual and he plenty of power and really good mileage on it. I ditched the trans and switched to a manual and it was a totally new car.

I currently have a 84 carb'd 2.8 with the th700r4 and it's twice the car the old one with the th200 in it.
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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To get the CORRECT CARB REBUILD KIT, you must find that verticle stamped carb number. They ask ya carb number at parts counter for that carb to match correct kit.
DO NOT under any circumstance, give away that carb. IT very well could be the correct original carb for your ride. That's a very good point for rebuilding that carb. Not for "value" but all internal jetting is correct. A solid leak free rebuild is all ya seek for that carb.
My throttle shaft bushings primary butterfly valve screws were "rusted" slightly (I lived by Pacific Ocean). Was a bit extra effort for removal.
Check the cylinders in engine compression, too.
IF compression low like in the 100 range, ya engine is aged & nothing will truly bring back "ommph"! or milage. Will make better, but.....
Hope these are good clues for ya.
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Engine: 2.8L V6 2BBL (yeah I know...)
Transmission: 700R4 automatic
yeah rebuild it. They're really easy. Make sure you replace the float (not included in many kits). A sunken float will reek havoc on your motor.

The '83 I had with the 200c tranny got 21mpg's before I beat the motor to a misfiring pulp (teenage years, you know how it goes)
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