I keep seeing the enthusieism on this thread about the turbo and I think its great, but realistically, how long is this motor going to last. Then how long is the trans going to hold up, the rearend, do you guys have brakes to stop a car that is getting up there in power? Now we are talking nitrous and turbos.

I am sorry to say but I bet there isn't one person here that can afford such a kit for their car and if they do end up buying one, the car will be crashed or broken in a month because the rest of the car is not built to handle it.

I am not trying to put a dammper on the fun, I just am pointing out reality.

 

They are talking drag racing though Dean. Not TOO much use for brakes (not at 100 mph trap speeds anyhow). I can understand how on the road it would seem logical though. But we have about 500,000 turbo'd Hondas running around, they DARN sure weren't made to go that fast. At least the F-body is stable atr high speeds.

 

HAHA upgrade brakes ROFL. Why do something like that?? They have the same brakes as the V8 cars and my TA as well as all of my friends run 12's with stock brakes and have no problem stopping, it's called proper maintenance.

People that upgrade there brakes is for one purpose and it's not going straight. It's for appearance OR rally etc.

Now if u run 10-9's I would understand about brakes. And if your that worried about the brakes failing due to heat they sell stock sloted and cross drilled rotors for like 60 bucks each.

I knew someone like u and he put 2k brakes "baers I think they were" on a 13 second car, the only thing he could brag about was in the 60-0 he could stop 20ft. before a stock camaro WOW, that doesnt do squat for a 1/4 mile pass. He regreted it in the end.

 

Careful slick. Dean has the right outlook. It's only very slightly misdirected in a dragracing sense. ANd he knows his stuff, so try to be semi-respectful, k?

 

so now we have the turbo *** AND a brakes expert greaaattt j/k.


It's always good to be safe than sorry, thats a given, but brakes of that nature just aren't necessary for our applications.

Everything wears and if you modify somethng it only wears faster. More abuse = faster wear and that is the way it will always be. If someone blows there motor due to ods it knowones fault but theres and if they whine about it then they should have considered the consequences before they did it.

 

I love it how all the web's greatest turbo guru's and drag racing experts just somehow happen to be on the V6 board of a 3rd generation F body forum. You people all need to GET the heck off thirdgen and roam the net for other resources. Thirdgen is great and all, but to be 100% honest, the knowledge base here compared to just about any mustang, turbo, or saab forums I visit is extremely lacking.

 

Chris, What would you like to learn about Brakes, Drivetrains, rearends, and any type of cadilllac to all out race setup suspension settings- You'd really be amazed at the experience in here.

5SIZ- Check out my car's before you start talking crap
Here's a little preview of some brakes I just built since you dwelled on the binder suject- It happens to be the largest brake setup anyone has ever engineered for a third gen under factory IROC rims- Do I use them to their limit? again, checkout my links and you'll be awakened alittle as to what fun really can be had in a little V6 Camaro.

PS- Tose are 6 piston calipers and 13x1.25 rotors with billet aluminum hubs

 

By the way, those brake pictured above cost more than many cars here.

 

He ain't lie'en.

 

I totally believe you, something I would never in my life pay for. And why does everyone think that I'm talking crap LOL, it's the truth. jesus 6 piston calipers, guaranteed to send you through the windshield/ lock up tires in a hearbeat or you money back.


I owned "a little v6" for 2 years before I went with any V8 so I know how they run and what there capable of or I would have sent the v6 I have to hell in a handbaset and droped an 8 init's place by now, let alone watsed the money on it.

 

Starting to get out of hand, folks. Two of the past 10 posts have required PMs being sent out, one also ending up forwarded to administration. Thread will be locked if this continues.

 

Don't even try to question Dean on brakes/suspension. That'll end even more stupidly then argueing me on the turbos.

But Dean, to answer your concerns, I don't believe to be past the stock brakes capabilities yet. Nowhere near, in fact. The kits will run LOW 14's out the box, which while not earth-shattering, is an amazing improvement over stock. And based on the dyno results - we'll basically have an L98 - with the same brakes as the L98.

I don't think there will be a problem.

 

Every type of GM car or truck I have owned I have had to upgrade the brakes. GM is known for poor brakes. These cars are no exception- in fact, they are worst that most. The stock sytems are not reliable at all. How many of you here on stock systems cant even lock the front brakes after 15years of use on the stock combo valve- I bet more than less. I know this first hand on these cars. These trannies stock are on borrowed time. The V6 internals were as budget as the 700r4's were ever made. The servos will stick in no time and not 2nd to 3rd shifting. Get on them hard and bust the band, noi 2nd or 4th at all either in no time.

I understand drag racing is mentioned, but realistically, how many here only bought a V6 Camaro or Firebird for Drag racing only use. Just about everyone here uses there V6 daily as a primary car. Its what I built mine for fulltime- as a daily driver. Mine will however handle 500hp if needed. So 250hp will allow the package I have built to last a very long reliable time for full time street use.

I a final note, Stock brakes on an IROC are scary and insufficient. You get into a panick stop on the street and thatextra 10ft stopping distance is going to mean hitting the person in front of you are not.

 

In no way am I saying these are the best brakes! I fully plan on an LS1 brake swap, myself, all the way around. All I'm saying, is that these turbo kits, in production form, will not give you more power than GM intended going into the brakes. Even with this kit, you will not be doing 140+ brake stops. What this kit will give you, is more power, and a boatload of torque.

 

Techsmurf went out of his way to contort the meaning of this post and say that I'm directly bashing thirdgen. I'm NOT bashing thirdgen....it merely states, in my own smarta$$ style words, that if you want DEFINITIVE information on turbocharging and drag racing, thirdgen.org is not exactly the place to get it from. Thats not to suggest you couldn't get viable information on those aspects from this board, but come on people, open up your eyes, there is much better info out there. If you are building a turbo car based on what 1-2 people from an f body board have recommended, you need mental help.

As far as information concerning thirdgeneration F bodies is concerned however, this website is the $hit and I totally respect it for what it is, I learned a lot from thirdgen, up to a point, at which time I started learning on my own and through other sources, but thats just me.

Anyways, go ahead and lodge your complaint techsmurf.

 

3rd gens handle n brake awesome, compared to the 2nd gen I owned. I can actually stop and turn when I want as fast as I want.

I wouldn't worry about brakes till near low 13-12 and then I would want a roll cage and safety harness. Also a full face helmet is a good idea.

There is a real nice guy who this year got messed up pretty bad as running 12 even with all the best safety gear but the open face helmet didn't stop him from face planting in the steering wheel.

If anyone remembers the pic of posted of the Buick that meet a tree at the end of a run. The front bumper meet the firewall.

 

Originally posted by vsixtoy
Every type of GM car or truck I have owned I have had to upgrade the brakes. GM is known for poor brakes. These cars are no exception- in fact, they are worst that most. The stock sytems are not reliable at all. How many of you here on stock systems cant even lock the front brakes after 15years of use on the stock combo valve- I bet more than less.

Like I said, it's call proper maintenance. I can lock up the brakes pretty damn easy, not that I want to though.

I know this first hand on these cars. These trannies stock are on borrowed time. The V6 internals were as budget as the 700r4's were ever made. The servos will stick in no time and not 2nd to 3rd shifting. Get on them hard and bust the band, noi 2nd or 4th at all either in no time.

Any 700r4 sucks a$$ PERIOD. Even bullet proof ones.

I a final note, Stock brakes on an IROC are scary and insufficient. You get into a panick stop on the street and thatextra 10ft stopping distance is going to mean hitting the person in front of you are not.

And making sure you stop so fast the guy behind you with his obsolite brakes will make a nice wreck out of your cars rear.


The stock brakes are fine if kept maintaned, I'd love to upgrade my brakes and have huge ungodly baers "I preffer willwood" But unless I run enduro wich I don't I find it useless. If I want to stop faster I'll buy a car with ABS, at leats I get a car and not a set of calipers for the ame price.

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TRS, You want pictures and facts? You are clueless who you are preaching to. I think you need to take a moment and look at some pictures of my car before you shoot your mouth off again about maintenance.

See here, when you are running crappy General tires and 15"x7" rims, you can blow on the brake pedal and it will cause a stock suspension and brakes 3rd gen to unload and lock those cheap tires in a heart beat. Meanwhile, you *** keeps skidding forward into the guardrail in front of you instead of slowing and turning.

When you get your car anywhere near the level of out cornering or out braking (or both like I do) a new stock Corvette- then come talk to me. How do I know this? I drive one often (my wife's father owns a 2000 Vette with magnesium wheels). I also own a '68 roadrace Vette with 540 rwhp. Why do I drive a V6 Camaro- its a daily driver I have fun with.

Your also inexperienced and clueless as to what kind of performance a 700r4 can be built to handle. My 700r4 and drivetrain will walk all over any t5 here, and 10 years from now it will still be ticking.

I will arogantly say that there isn't anyone here that has experienced the levels of cornering and braking that a Camaro can do unless you have ridden in my car. You would also then under stand that I do not have to slow down as much as your average (even agressively built) V8 street camaro into a corner. I come out faster and don't have to acceletrate as much up to speed. They work much harder than I do slowing down and then speeding back up.

 

Originally posted by vsixtoy
TRS, You want pictures and facts? You are clueless who you are preaching to. I think you need to take a moment and look at some pictures of my car before you shoot your mouth off again about maintenance.


Cry me a river, my POS V6 "yes it's a pos becuase it's a V6!" has crappy tires why in G-o-d-s name would I buy good tires for it...it's a V6 for christ sake.

My other car has 255/50/16 Firestone FireHawk SZ50ep's

See here, when you are running crappy General tires and 15"x7" rims, you can blow on the brake pedal and it will cause a stock suspension and brakes 3rd gen to unload and lock those cheap tires in a heart beat. Meanwhile, you *** keeps skidding forward into the guardrail in front of you instead of slowing and turning.

This POS v6 will never get fast enough to worry.

When you get your car anywhere near the level of out corniering or out braking (or both like I do) a new stock Corvette- then come talk to me.

when u want to go fast talk to me.

Your also inexperienced and clueless as to what kind of performance a 700r4 can be built to handle. My 700r4 and drivetrain will walk all over any t5 here, and 10 years from now it will still be ticking.

what about a TH350 behind a 10 second motor?

It's funny to see people get all crazy online roflmao.

 

No reasson to take this any futher unless you show pictures of what you have? I'm waiting expert? with that, I am sure this conversation is finished.

 

TRS - wrong tree to bark up, buddy, take my word for it

I've got Kuhmo 711 245/50/16s all the way around. Can I lock up the brakes? Sure, if I stab 'em to the floor all of a sudden. DO I want to be able to do that? NO.

Locking up tires = brakes > tire grip.

I prefer it the other way - the tires to grip well enough that you can use all 100% braking power to stop.

 

I have stock brakes. So yes this convo is finished, oh and here is a pic of my motor on the hotrod.

 

haha we all know where this is going.....anyways your not gonna win against dean, he knows his stuff and can back it all up....not to mention he is as stubborn as they come(hence the new name )

this is thread on turbos lets keep it there folks....

 

yes lets get back on track.

Oh and yes you have a nice car vsi

 

yes lets get back on track, nice car vsi.

Arguing onlien is like the special olympics even if u wint your still retarded.

 

A Road Demon 625, an Edelbrock performer intake manifold and a nitrous kit on a stock tbi longblock and you call that a hotrod?

Sorry Doward that this got off track. I know you have some good quality tires on your car and you're working on the rearend to beefen it up- You are on the right track. The message was for others thinking on doing this to make sure the rest of the car can handle the abuse prolonged.

Pillsbry, Its not "stubborn" its called "Competitive"

 

speed demon 650cfm double pumper, Vortec Performer rpm intake manifold, Full ported and polished w/ 3 angle valve job, studs and guide plated vortec heads, carn 1.6 full roller rockers, comp 282/284 cam " I think thats what it was, total lift is like 540/545 or soemthing." 1 3/4 headers w/ custom exaust, 150hp shot thanks to nitrous works. and its a 70's 4 bolt 010 casting 350 block.

I'm sure I'm leaving stuf fout b ut i gotta go pick up my girl. it's always nice to have a POS motor and whoop a vettes ***.

 

Another V8 guy trying to give us his high and mighty- got news for you pal.... I know more about YOUR V8 that you obviously do. 1.6 full roller rockers will NOT fit under late model centerbolt vavle covers-
This guy's too much.
I took this to e-mail awhile ago, but he still wants to take crap here.

 

Anyhow, back on the subject, Did you get your turbine/compressor yet 5SIZ? Are you gonna take dowards advice and go with a 60 trim or are ya gonna try a smaller one?

 

I think 5SIZ and TRS are the same guy? I just assume that as he replied to message to 5SIZ as TRS.

So when are you gonna try some bigger nos jets???

inquiring minds want to know.

 

that's a clean lookin engine bay and i like the DP sittin on top of it. while that cam is decent it doesn't sound like anything too wild. and, trust us, Dean's camaro will out handle, probably, any other car on here. he has put extensive work into it to make it run like it does. and, doward has done his homework when it comes to turbos.

 

LMAO, in due time dude! The bottle I was running had a valve leak (I was losing juice somewhere) So I neeed to swap in the newer one and get it filled. I still ahve to run the stupid thing at the track on spray as well. To do that, it needs to be runnign properly (I STILLL have idle issues for all that are wondering ). I'm guessing it will pull a low 9 second 1/8mile without a problem. I figure if the cam knocked off over a half a second, the 50 shot should be good for more than that. But, I'd still ratehr have turbo

 

... nice catch. Even with the picture of the engine, I completely failed to notice the... unique... A/C delete...

I think the other moderator was right after all.. this thread has lost all usefulness.. end.