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OK now I get it I was lookin at it backwards

 

i was looking forward to doing these kits too.. hey, people don't want em, fine, we're still the only running T61 powered 3g 2.8 that i know of.. and my book that spells special regardless. so that leaves just us stepping up the the big bad v8's

 

i'm really sad to hear that these kits probably won't be made, but the sad fact is 99 percent of the people of here are broke as hell.

i take my hats off to you guys for making them.

sorry it isn't going as planned

 

well 2nd plan is to sell em to a real turbo company.. then you can buy em for 5K from them.. lol..

 

i had a feeling these wouldnt sell for the 3k sorry but unless you have your heart set on a turbo 6 then there are alot more cost effective ways to make your car just as fast.

 

You sure about that? Unless you want to "just drop in a V8", I don't know of many reliable alternatives to adding that much 24/7 HP to a 2.8/3.1/3.4 V6 that wouldn't cook the motor in a short time.

 

i was refering to the v8 swap in general but whats his name (jerriko?) had that 3.4 with some things done(nitrous, cam....) and he was in the 13s, although in not sure how much that cost him. i thought about getting a turbo. but *** gave me forsight and i see my 100k+ engine with a turbo not lasting to long when i can replace the entire engine and have a new one making close to if not more power for the same price.

 

in my opinion, its about uniqueness, i mean yeah a v8 is great, but their a dime a dozen, and there isn't much that hasn't been done to them, where as a 60* v6.. come on, now thyeres something not everyone has, a hot 6 banger, and one that keeps up with the big dogs i might add. hell i had planned on buying dowards set up, but with the expenses of getting engaged, and geting my new house, i just couldn't swing it, and believe3 me right now if i had the cash i would scoop it up in a heart beat, i have a tpi motor for my formula, but i want my other bird to be badass with out 2 additional cylinders, just to be different, and to say i did it. doward and vortex r on to something here, with the turbo kit, and the intake and throttle body kit, i mean right now there is nothing for our cars, but with there ingenuity that may all change for the better. doward, i commend.

 

Alright guys, it's the 31st. Everyone that's in on this, PM me

 

hey doward, i got a question for u, what r the odds of me being able to buy a pacakge with out the turbo, bov, and waste gate some where down the line, like christmas,? or maybe selling me a quick blueprint of the brackets and tubing, so i can mock one up my self, alothugh i would rather just buy urs with out all the hardparts? i stil wish i could afford it right now

 

I can do a partial kit, no problem... the prices will be going up after this GP, though Nothing I can do about that, since I'll be taking time from work and all to build them.

 

So down the road I can buy all the piping for it? Thats about all I would need from a kit

 

Certainly

 

Sweet I am most deffinatly going to do this, but wanna do a 3.4 block first

 

if I had $5000, I'd buy Doward's kit, and give the rest to the two for all their hard work...

cheers to Doward and Vortex!

I think I'd rather have a 250hp turbo 3.1 than a v8... for the uniqueness...

then calculating out how much I could save up...

06/23/2005 if I don't get my tranny rebuilt by then
$2860

06/30/2005 or if I do, this is how long it will take
$3235

I'm gonna save up anyways, in the slim chance that somehow I can still get a turbo kit...

After I read this thread, I actually got this sunken feeling in my stomach... kind of like when a loved one passes away...

 

I thought I had posted? I'm out of work right now, on a back injury, as I go to school... so I'm spending my free time, developing parts for us V6 guys

Anyone can get a turbo kit, whenever they want.

 

nice! Make a water pump underdrive pulley.!

 

good to hear that... I'm assuming the kit is more than $2900 now though? since the group order never went through...

 

Are you serious? I was thinking more of an electric water pump

 

Actually, it did... No, I didn't get the ten, but we're still working out everything for those that did jump in, and want some partial kits

I need to put up a small website.... Price is now $3150 +s/h, as I'll be building all the kits in-house.

 

mandrel bent?

and hell yeah a website would be awesome!

 

Is there any other way?

 

Give us clues as to what your thinking of making or making.So we can start saving up.....

 

I'm guessing... the... turbo kit? like he already said...?

Hey Doward, that badass custom piping works with the stock manifolds best right? I'm no pro in that regard, and I was wondering if headers would work, or if some header-like solution was included with the piping...

forgive my ignorance...

I also hear everyone's argument that it's cheaper to have a v8 car... but man, I'd love to have a turbo v6, AND a beefy v8... hey people do some crazy things sometimes.

 

Yes, the pipes on my car are with a completely stock motor, manifolds and all.

I will be building a set of off-road race only headers, with Y pipe for either N/A, or with the turbo.

So far in the works

Turbo Kit (Check!)
Intake/TB (About 45% complete)
Adjustable Aluminum LCAs (80% complete)
Headers (20% complete - just started working on these)
Custom conversion intake to allow FWD heads on RWD vehicles + brackets (15% - still in the planning stages)

As time moves on, and I gather more equipment, between the V and I, anything will be able to be built

 

doward
you've probaly posted this info someplace esle already so sorry for asking (again)

did you ever get any times / numbers from the larger trubo you were offering?

 

sounds like quite an arsenal!

so the kit starts at 6psi and that's the +100rwhp? or are we lookin' at more like 10psi for that amount?

so lets see ~250hp with just the turbo...

add the headers built for turbo

add the intake

add the better heads

what'dya have now? 300hp?

 

6psi = +100hp.



It's called 'efficiency'

Headers/intake/heads? @ the same 6psi? I'd say more like 250-260rwhp then. I was doing 222rwhp on the tiny 16g. Now, heads/intake/headers + 10-14psi = 300rwhp, easy!

 

dddaaannng (red neck accent)

we're getting into 2002 trans am ws6 power there...

you'd have to do some major suspension work to get that hp to the ground though...

good thing I don't care about getting it to the ground... I care about getting it into clouds of burning rubber...

which unfortunately my 3.1 cannot even burn out... that's where the 2500rpm stall converter comes into play.

 

Any 3.4 guys buy the kit?

Wondering what they will run...

Sucks my $ was so out of wack no way I could do anything with the gp!

Though I would have had fun though trying to figure out how to set mine up with the headers. I was hoping I would have heard from PF&E about the turbo header they were debating about when I got mine. Wanted to put it together with your kit possibly down the road...run the GN turbo with it! Figure that could produce some serious fun!

Well we will see what the latest mods falling into place will do...then start planning better for the turbo! Got to do things in order right!

Hope you back is doing better!

 

Doward, is the turbo kit for the 3.1 also $3100+shipping, or was that 2.8 only?

 

I have to admit that the post Karl (Ked85) made about the supercharger is really starting to look more and more appealing to me as a POSITIVE result of this post. I'll explain why.

I live in Calif and Dowards turbo package is out of the question for me due to smog requirements and the inability to easily change everything out every two years (if not caught in the inbetween time) for smog visual approval.
I would at this point love to install you turbo on my car from the results I am seeing, I just can't.

I will eat crow from my negative response on the supercharger cost and gains versus Dowards turbo cost and gains and say that even thought the supercharger is more expensive and less powerful, it is looking more and more appealing because I could easily remove the workings and chip for smog in an hour , then reistall after smog visual and dyno/tailpipe inspections.

You are getting great numbers John and have me rethinking my future options on this car. We are looking to loose another octane point here in Calif down from 91oct max to only a 90 max. So a N/A motor is looking even more grim due to compression restriction. I think stock compression with a little forced air to improve the intake restriction flow would be a better option for me here.

Besides, I just drove a buddies H2 Hummer for a day that has a Paxton supercharger with 12psi boost and what a blast that was while retaining low throttle streetability. Ever experience a Hummer with alltime 4-wheel drive light up all 4 tires on the roll at 30mph? I have. They where also aftermarket oversized tires to boot.

 

wow, I've never been in a 4WD vehicle that can really even light up the tires from a light...

4wd = scary... cuz when the front wheels burn out, where's your steering??

 

Dean, while I do think a Supercharger would still be easier than teh turbo, to remove and go back to stock, I've built this to be as easy to install/remove as possible.

If you have access to a lift, and air tools, the exhaust from the motor to the turbo comes straight down in 2 pieces, the downpipe is also 2 pieces, and the intercooler piping comes off in 3 pieces.

Also have a total of 4 brackets that have to be unbolted, then you put your stock Y pipe back into place.

 

but the million-dollar question is... if you can get a 100/140 increase with all stock components with the turbo kit... what would you get with also changing out the cam?

I hope Texas doesn't adopt the smog test for our cars... that'll ruin everything...

 

Ahhh... I can't wait to build the Scout II (4x4)...twin turboed 500 cadillac! Gonna be looking into 4 slicks for the track

 

The Hummer twists to the right when it beaks loose, it is rather scary if you are not aware of what a 4-wheel drive will do when all 4 break loose. You only try stuff like this on very wide roads in a 4x4 car or truck. Off the line it will literally just spin to the right and take out a car potentially sitting in the lane next to you. I have race cars my entire life, I was aware of what it would do and countered it as I stabbed it.

It is very simular to the loss of traction and steering on a front wheel drive vehicle. I also own a vintage '67 Mini Cooper S with front wheel drive This car is torn down right now and is my current project. It will have an Integra V-tec B18c5 200hp motor with 5-speed when I come accross one for a decent price. GoMinis in Georgia makes a front bolt-in subframe that holes the V-tec motor into the Mini and when finished the car weights about 1400lbs total- A little rocketship that will do 135mph and run on pumpgas getting 40 mpg. The original Acura Integras that motor and drivetrain came in weight twice that.

 

Heh… nice… I just installed a magnacharger setup on a hummer… same problem but you can have full boost at any rpm that you floor the throttle. Can you say big, freaking stupid fun?

 

big stupid friggin' fun? that sounds amazing.