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Old May 11, 2005 | 04:54 PM
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Bigger injectors?

Would these work ok with a lightly modified 3.1?



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Old May 11, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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They would probably work fine, but I'm pretty sure that 3.1s came with 17lb/hr injectors.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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3.1's had 15 pound injectors 3.4 had 17 pound
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Old May 11, 2005 | 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by 91greenbird
3.1's had 15 pound injectors 3.4 had 17 pound
what about the 2.8's?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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summit has some 21lb and 19lb for a little less money for the 3.1 or 2.8 by accell i'm gonna switch soon

21lb

19lb

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Old May 12, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by dodger65
what about the 2.8's?
pretty sure they are 15s too!

Originally posted by GreyFox
summit has some 21lb and 19lb for a little less money for the 3.1 or 2.8 by accell i'm gonna switch soon

21lb

19lb
I have 19s with my 3.4 and I need a tune bad to run with them...the exhaust reaks of fuel! 19s are a bit strong w/o a good custom chip! I got mine out of a ford in a junk yard & had rich @ cruzin performance clean and blue print them! That would be the best $ way to go!
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Old May 12, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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I thought 2.8s got 13s. I am still running stock injectors in my motor... I need to do some datalogging to see if I need something a little bigger but it doesn't really act like it does. I've got a set of 19s if I need them, though.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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I know for a fact that 2.8L engines use 15 pph injectors.

Anyhow, I just got my cleaned and flow-tested 2.8L injectors back from Rich Jensen at CruzinPerformance.com. After Rich's excelent job of cleaning them, the data sheet shows 5 of the injectors flow 15.57 pph and #6 flows 15.39 pph. Before cleaning they were within 5-6% flow of each other (after 117,000 miles) - after cleaning they are all within 1-1.5% of each other with improved spray patterns (on Rich's scale of Good/Fair/Poor, they are now rated Good where before they were rated Fair).

I just put them back in the car this last weekend, but I haven't started or driven it yet. I need to replace the fuel filter (it's a good idea to do so after new/cleaned injectors, and besides, it's due any way).

(Also note that my car is an '89 Camaro RS - I fully expected the injectors to be Multecs - but when I pulled them, they were Bosch pintle-style. I wonder if they had been replaced at some point in the past...I thought '89s came with Multecs. Not that I mind, Rich will actually clean the Bosch style, I hear he won't bother with the Multecs sometimes.)


*Edited: To remove the "In that case, I would think that 3.1L engines use 17 pph injectors..." comment - see redraif's post below.

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Old May 12, 2005 | 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by LinuxGuy
I know for a fact that 2.8L engines use 15 pph injectors. In that case, I would think that 3.1L engines use 17 pph injectors...

Anyhow, I just got my cleaned and flow-tested 2.8L injectors back from Rich Jensen at CruzinPerformance.com. After Rich's excelent job of cleaning them, the data sheet shows 5 of the injectors flow 15.57 pph and #6 flows 15.39 pph. Before cleaning they were within 5-6% flow of each other (after 117,000 miles) - after cleaning they are all within 1-1.5% of each other with improved spray patterns (on Rich's scale of Good/Fair/Poor, they are now rated Good where before they were rated Fair).

I just put them back in the car this last weekend, but I haven't started or driven it yet. I need to replace the fuel filter (it's a good idea to do so after new/cleaned injectors, and besides, it's due any way).

(Also note that my car is an '89 Camaro RS - I fully expected the injectors to be Multecs - but when I pulled them, they were Bosch pintle-style. I wonder if they had been replaced at some point in the past...I thought '89s came with Multecs. Not that I mind, Rich will actually clean the Bosch style, I hear he won't bother with the Multecs sometimes.)
Well if you used that logic, the 3.4 would have been 19s & they are not! I'm sure it was 15 in both the 3.1 and 2.8...then 17s in the 3.4!

Well poor rich has done some fun ones for me...ford 19#s & my stock cold start injector. He also did my Nissan injectors! I will probably be sending him my fiero ones too!
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Old May 12, 2005 | 03:47 PM
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2.8- 13 pound
3.1- 15 pound
3.4- 17 pound
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Old May 12, 2005 | 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by redraif
Well if you used that logic, the 3.4 would have been 19s & they are not! I'm sure it was 15 in both the 3.1 and 2.8...then 17s in the 3.4!
Oh, ok.
Well poor rich has done some fun ones for me...ford 19#s & my stock cold start injector.
Rich will clean and flow test the cold start injector? Oh. I didn't know that...I didn't pull mine when I sent the injectors in, is it really similar to a regular injector? Hmmm...I guess the cold start is a top-feed injector isn't it? And Rich's page does say he cleans top-feed style injectors.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by LinuxGuy
Oh, ok.
Rich will clean and flow test the cold start injector? Oh. I didn't know that...I didn't pull mine when I sent the injectors in, is it really similar to a regular injector? Hmmm...I guess the cold start is a top-feed injector isn't it? And Rich's page does say he cleans top-feed style injectors.
Yep! I took a chance and he said he would look at it and see if he could clean it...same for the Nissans...he was able to do both for me! Heck of a guy and quick turn around to!
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Old May 12, 2005 | 06:16 PM
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tried to run a search to see what the 2.8s came with...seems every post says...13s...no 15s...no 13s...no 15s! Who knows! This can be so frustrating! The funny thing is I had the 19#ers on the 2.8 for a while, before I got the 3.4 installed...talk about overkill!
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Old May 12, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by redraif
tried to run a search to see what the 2.8s came with...seems every post says...13s...no 15s...no 13s...no 15s! Who knows! This can be so frustrating! The funny thing is I had the 19#ers on the 2.8 for a while, before I got the 3.4 installed...talk about overkill!
a couple of things...

1) did ya ever notice that amongst the discount parts store catalogs, all the injector p/n's seem to supersede to a universal 60deg v6 injector, making it seem that they would all work? compounded by
2) regardless of the #/hr rating of the injector, even if one flows more than another at a given pulse width, won't the computer narrow the pulse width until 14.7:1 (or close) is reached? making the #/hr rating pertinent only when the cylinder filling characteristics are altered? (i.e. porting, cam swap, different intake/tb)

these are just a couple of things that bubbled up in my mind while i was reading this thread. i'm not saying i'm right--this is just what i came up with. what do y'all think? i do accept differing opinions...
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Old May 13, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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It'd be great if we could just cross-reference the part # stamped on the injector, then we'd know for sure what they were.

I think only 90-92 Gen 1 3.1's and all 85-up Gen 2 V6's got Multecs. My Multec set came from a 90 3.1. Every Gen 2 block I looked at (2.8 or 3.1) had Multecs... the only Bosch's I could find were in our Gen 1 2.8's.
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