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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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Stupid Car

I finally got my transmission in completly except fluid and the shifter, and just now I went out there to look at the car, and I pushed the clutch pedal and it felt like a hard brake pedal.





what im thinkin is that thing came out too far and isnt seating back in the hole properly. is that possible?

As I was putting the throw out bearing on and the input shaft in, I pushed on the clutch fork and you can feel it pressing on the pressure plate so I don't think that's the problem but if it is I'm probally going to junk the car. I dont have anywhere to work on it *the apartment place yelled at me* and I'm sick of the stupid thing, so if there is much more work left to be done, screw it :'(
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Stupid Car

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I finally got my transmission in completly except fluid and the shifter, and just now I went out there to look at the car, and I pushed the clutch pedal and it felt like a hard brake pedal.
Have a friend look at the slave cylinder while you push the clutch. It should move .54", IIRC.

If it is not moving, you have a problem.

If it is moving, and is stiff, do you have a new pressure plate? Was the tq'd down correctly?
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 04:18 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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ya, torque spec *50ft lbs i believe? but i could be wrong, but i looked it up right before i did it* and it is a brand new pressure plate I'm really thinkin its this but I'll get one of my room mates to help out in checkin it
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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DON'T GIVE IN!
BECAUSE
ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE FOREVER AT THIS APARTMENT PLACE????
IF NOT
SCREW THEM & MAKE IT WORK!!!!!
BECAUSE you are kinda close IF that's the problem. Just get real good help for this project.
This is a cheap problem to fix!
AND STICK SHIFT THIRD GEN PARTS ARE WORTH MORE THAN YOU'D IMAGINE!!!ESPECIALLY THE CONSOLE!
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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lol ya, i know my shift plate is worth like 160 bucks. But Stupidass best buy put my alarm light on it even though I explicitly said PUT IT ON CONSOLE NOT SHIFTER PLATE!!! Anyways, I'm just sick and tired of this car. It has gotten me into lots of trouble because my dad hates it and so does my apartment place. Living here is deffinatly going to outlast leaving it on jackstands in the parking lot though. They're trying to tow it away.


Welp, I'm goanna go out there and attempt to fix the clutch, I'll post up results and possilby pictures.
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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http://s89706284.onlinehome.us/hydrolic.wmv something about this isnt right, see if you can spot it lol. How can I correct this problem
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:27 AM
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save yourself the problem and buy yourself a new slave and master cylinder for the clutch. you can get the set for about 75$ from advanced auto. they will be lifetime garunteed and they will work unlike your other setup. i am looking at your movie in a minute here, but that didn't look good meaning the pic of the slave cylinder that i saw.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:28 AM
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it's not that, it seems to be internally in the bellhousing somewhere. I dont get it, I did it perfectly fine :'( The video explains better

Note, on the video, I can push it towards cylinder, but the cylinder cant push it anymore away. Anyone know why? The hydrolic'ness of it feels fine though. I'm pretty sure I did the clutch inside bellhousing fine but what possible problem is that??

Ignore the popping sounds, they're really not what they sound like. I'm not sure what they are but they're deffinatly not a big deal

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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:08 AM
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i really think that you put something on wrong, or something, cause i have never had that problem with any of my family's cars, cause since i been about 16 i've had to do all of their clutchwork. i couldn't watch the video for stupid reasons, but when i get home, i will try again. check the pressureplate bolts again, and check the spring tension on the pressureplate. make sure that you got the throwout bearing installed correctly where it is supposed to be as well.

Shaun
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:09 AM
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Car: 95 Z28
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can the Pressure plate bolts being too tight make it not push down?
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:14 AM
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shouldn't but it might
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:14 AM
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Car: 95 Z28
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I'm completly stumped. Anyone want a red camaro??? I'm sick of this thing
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Old Jun 3, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 3.23? I'm not sure
anyone else have any other Ideas? TTT
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 03:24 AM
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check for loose metal shields in the engine compartment, also check the dust shield on the back of the bell housing, mine comes loose from time to time(in need of some good thread locker!)
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 06:25 AM
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what does all that stuff have to do with the clutch not moving the right way?
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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sorry wrong thread, wow i need some sleep, really bad.
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Ready?
See if you can "PAY" for a visit by a local tranny guy.
Let that be a better guide for your problem.
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 11:55 AM
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You shouldn't be able to push the clutch fork actuacting rod in with your fingers should you? And it doesn't bounce back properly.

So there is definetly something seriously wrong with the installed parts. Either installed incorrectly or broken.

Bottom line is : You probably have to tear it down to see what the problem is. And you probably can't fix it without tearing it down anyway so.....
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 11:57 AM
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Maybe the fork is off the TO-bearing?
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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I'm pretty sure it is on the TO bearing, when It wasnt the tranny had a like 1/4 inch gap between the bellhousing and tranny.

I'll try eventually. I am getting yelled at for doing it here and my friend offered his garage. My other friend is a Master ASE mechanic so I'll see if he can help me sometime
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 02:47 PM
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I suggest you put that plan into action.
I know you can solve it, even if ya gotta throw more money at the car.
This car problem you now have is NOT a factory option so clutch set up will eventually work correctly.
Get it towed to your friends garage real quick before your friends change their minds!!!!1
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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lol the strange thing is my friend that offered the garage isnt really on good terms with me right now, we don't talk much, but he still offered hehe

what do you mean by "factory option" ?
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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what do you mean by "factory option" ?

LOLOLOLOLOL!

The factory did not make the car arrive at dealership of sale with an inoperable clutch assembly!

Get it outta the parking lot before the Apartment place DOES tow it away...
Did you ever change the fluid in the clutch pedal set up?
IF old fluid I'll bet that could cause it to stick or not be a smooth operator.
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 3.23? I'm not sure
from what I've felt, its deffinatly not fluid's fault
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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i think that the best way to handle this problem once and for all is to buy a new clutch slave and master cylinder and new lines, and install them. if you say that you went over all the clutch parts atleast 3 times, then that is not the problem, i am guessing that the slave or master cylinder for the clutch is stuck, i have heard cases where the clutch wouldn't move cause the slave and master cylinder were too worn to produce enough pressure to operate the new springs on the pressure plate. if that is the case, a new slave and master cylinder should do the trick. just remember that just cause it worked with the old clutch doesn't necessarily mean that it will have enough pressure to operate the new clutch(the old springs are well worn in, and the new ones are still really stiff and take more pressure to move! get the idea?
Shaun
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 3.23? I'm not sure
How much does that run? I dont have a job so it looks like the car will have to be parked until like august because I can't afford this thing anymore @it
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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46$ for a master cylinder with a warrenty, 36$ for a slave cylinder and warrenty, and maybe 20 at most for the hoses? i mean sooner or later it is gonna go out on you anyway if it already hasn't so it will only help you out!
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:08 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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wow... Uhh ya there's no way I can afford that. I really really REALLY dont think it's that though. I am for the most part a transmission expert, but I've never put the pressure plate on and such, but I know what I'm feeling isn't the hydrolics fault
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by 87blueracr
and check the spring tension on the pressureplate.
how do I do that and what do I check for?
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:14 PM
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im at a point in my life where im making descent coin, but my bills and loan interest kill my paycheque almost that i cant afford to live.

so ive been simplifying my life by finding things i can sell or pawn, been working all available overtime, and trying to do things myself.

i suggest if you arent in school, to get a job.

and if you are in school, sell somthing. like a car stereo you dont need.
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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it is not something that you can check with a guage, you gotta feel it, find a way to move the yoke the correct direction, if it moves, with alot of pressure, your springs are good, if it moves really easily, there is something wrong. if it doesn't move there is something really really wrong. that easy. it might be stuck engaged, and if you can pop it loose, it may work, but don't put so much pressure on the yoke as to break it or bend anything, common sense is applied seriously here! i am not trying to be a a** or anything or trying to incinuate anything eithor.
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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Car: 95 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 3.23? I'm not sure
hmm I'll do that when I finally work on the car.

There's no way I'm sellin my Rockford Fosgate MP3 deck outta my truck lol. And I'm tryin to sell stuff but no one will buy. I'm just looking for a job

Today I did have fun pulling the camaro uphill with all the brakes on the camaro. Pushed gas 1/8th the way and drug it lol. Dayum that thing is beasty
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by 85berlinetta2.8

so ive been simplifying my life by finding things i can sell or pawn, been working all available overtime, and trying to do things myself
that would be the camaro Trying to sell it, its about the only thing I have that I dont need
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