dude the bends. yea mine wont' be stock anymore by the time that i see you alan and doward!

 

If you look at the dyno chart on trueleo.com they compare and almost pure stock 3.4 to the same engine with our chip and intake. We did a stcok run and then switched the intakes and chip and did a bunch more untill we got the chip spot-on. BTW: if you look at the mid stock intake, it takes a pretty mean turn and thus the reason we decided to replace both the upper and mid unit when designing our intake.

 

Why not also add a TB Spacer to the Manifold/TB combos?

 

dude a spacer does nothing to the airflow results, the only thing is it means more air in the intake itself. look at shannon's intake, take a look at the size of it. that aint small really!

 

But wouldn't spacers made from ie hard plastic, teflon or even aluminium help the heat soak. No heat conducting directly from the heads.

 

If you put anything more then the planned gasket between the heads and the lower 1/3 of the intake, you are throwing EVERYTHING out of alighnment.

So you will have a nice gap at the bottom of the intake, wont bolt up, distrib wont go in all the way.

Plus the lower 1/3 of the intake has antifreeze going thru it, so its going to warm up to that anyway. As well as its already aluminum, so that material is out.

 

thanks dale i was thinking the same thing. to get less heat soak, the only real thing you could do is have the intake manifold ceramic'd and redesign the intake to reroute the coolant lines some way so they don't touch the manifold(damn near impossible).

 

so did she ever get this thing installed or what?

 

Yes, don't go putting any kind of thick spacer between your intake (stock intake or otherwise) or you'll screw up the flow. The runners meet at an angle and a thick spacer will act like a step. When making our intakes we had to take much care to insure that our bottom flange matched those angles perfectly. Besides. there is no reason to, this heat problem is none issue. Intakes just don't get that hot! If they did, then they would not have had to put water passages in the old carb intakes to get them warm (not to cool them) enough to help vaporise the fuel. An area to be concerned with the temp of incomming air, is where you put that cool looking cone type air filter. Lots of folks, especially the Fiero crowd, lose power by using them instead of the stock unit which recieves cool outside air. Whereas they put the new filter under the hood where the air temp is much higher. Some people remember the old Carter thermo quard carb and thermo spacers used in the 70s. Yes those things were made to address heat but not for the reason you may think. The intakes did not get too hot when the engines were running, they got hot when the car was shut off and thus had no cool air flowing through the intake. The result sometimes was, that the fuel in the carb vaporize out the car bs perk valve and make the car hard to start when you came back tweenty minutes later. Ceramic coatings are used mainly to keep heat in, not out. If you want that look fine.....

 

francis, i don't want that look myself. i was merely suggesting that if everyone is so worried about heat soak getting to the intake charge. cerramic can be used as a thermo barrier, to help stop heat from gettting to certain areas of want. in this case the cool air charge in the intake manifold.

 

No, not yet... unforseen circumstances have prevented us from getting started on it. It will likely be after Aug 1 before we have the time to work on it.

 

sounds like mine. troy has to do some repairs around the house, but he is hoping that he can get to it this weekend. i should have it by my birthday.

LT1and(or) Redraif, did you figure out how to hook up the throttle cable to the throttlebody? i am gonna try to use the stock mustang throttle cable. i think that i have one for my 97 that i used to have at mom's house. the only other thing i can think of is to take and switch the ends between the two cables.

 

If we can't make the factory one work, we're going to use a Lokar cable. We already have the Lokar, but prefer to use the factory one if its long enough.

 

lokar cable? is that a aftermarket universal cable? i think that i am gonna pick up a new throttle cable from a mustang to make sure i got the right connection and everything. if i got to i will heat up the end and slide it off and re braze it on with some grade 5 solder!!!

 

Lokar: aftermarket universal style cable. They make a TV cable too, but I think the stock one will be fine (long enough).

http://www.lokar.com

 

Now the professional Machinist and race motor builder has never heard of Lokar? Everyone knows they are right next door to Posiar

 

rftc, you need to come to jacksonville so i can bust your nose a few times. dude you just don't know when to shut up.
first off i don't deal with cables normally, second i am from the east coast, not the west coast or down south. up home see we got this thing called a junk yard for throttle cables. it is alot easier to find a MUSTANG throttle cable and get one that way than have to deal with the parts store for them.

i went out last night and got a universal from pep boys. i got to do some fabrication on the throttle bracket to get things to the right angle to work. it should take me all of about 10 minutes to do. now all i got to do is find a decent welder and i will be set.

 

leaving this one alone for the sake of the thread

 

Hey guys, this is a good thread with some value for V6ers, lets not got it locked over a bunch of juvenile BS. Take it to PMs, please.

 

edited my post, i agree lets keep this thread clean

 

thank you kretos, though i have no idea what you were gonna try to bash on this one, it is appreciated.
oh yea,
raif and i decided to go with a ford throttlebody on our perspective intakes. i am using a universal throttle cable on mine, and she doesn't know about her's for sure yet.
to use a ford mustang throttlebody, it has to be flipped 180*, and due to the difference of the throttle cable design, a bracket needs to be attached to the existing one or a new throttle bracket needss to be made. i will try and take some pics when i get home tonight(yes i finally got a digital camera) to show you all what i am talking about.

 

Now the kid is a professional fighter. Kid, got news for you, I fight better than I drive- reason why at 38 I still talk crap to people that start crap with me. Otherwise, I am a very passive persona and I'll keep this post that way. E-mail me, I'll send you a plane ticket out here and a hotel room.

And to the tech info- Yes Mustangs are a dime a dozen in junkyards- so you can easily find old throttle cables from them.

This post is useless unless this guys makes these intakes out of something other than steel- this is a joke right?

*Public news flash*- DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY

 

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14 HP peak gain and ~30 HP gain at ~5500 RPM tells *me* it's not a joke.

Before this intake came along, I was considering swapping my Fiero's 3.4 for a TDC, 3800SC, or 4.9 Caddy (all common Fiero swaps). With the old intake, it was just maxed out. No matter what other mods you made, it fell on it's face at ~4500 RPM. With this one, there's plenty of room to "grow". My engine still pulls like a train at 6K, now.
And my old aluminum intake got just as hot as the steel one gets. This whole "heat soak issue" is a huge "non-issue". This thing works.
Before you call this a waste of money, let the numbers speak for themselves.

Thought you were done with this thread.

 

got the pics of the differences between the throttlebodies though i don' t have any time to download them right now,

NEWSFLASH, everyone knows that fox body mustangs are a dime a dozen, there was nothing that we all didn't know from that post, so the only post that was made was yours.
this is really easy, keep your .02 off this thread, and everything will be fine.


ya prolly one of them guys that gets his butt kicked then calls the cops like a narc.

 

I'll tell you what you little sh*t, how bout I intake my foot in your ***. That'll boost you about 20hp.

There are just some *******s I justwish lived near me. One of them onmy list and will be running scared and not showing up at any local events is this Pablo f*ck around here. When I get my hands on him from what he's said to me. He used to live in Florida and surprise surprise he was just transfered near me to Camp Pendleton-0 I can't wait to see him crap his little exhaust when I show him some intake.

I am sick of looking at this thread keep coming up. Thius intake is a joke. I think the design is fantastic, I'll give it that, but not steel. What you people debating me fail to realise is that YES because of the design it will increase HP on a car that is fired and slightly warmed then dragraced, or a car that is run on a dyno with a big fan helping blow cool air over the open hood motor. Get it out on the road with a good load on it on a warm to hot day and the thing will fall on its face being STEEL. Its not an opinion, its a fact That steel will retain the motor heat coming off the headsand not transfer it as fast, meaning that when it does finally transfer through the slowier condutivity steel it comes off INSIDE the runners as well as outside and the air charge going to the cylinders is MUCH hotter( I would bet 20-50*) which makes it LESS DENSE OF A CHARGE- less dense air charge is less power.

Make the damn thing out of aluminum or make this post go away- you're ripping off innocent naive peoples hard earned money.

 

Okay... It's gonna retain heat? or it's gonna dissipate heat? Which is it? Can't be both.
If aluminum dissipates heat more quickly, guess where it's gonna go. Into the runners.

BTW... as I mentioned before, I have this manifold. It's been installed since March. It has made *dramatic* improvements in the way the car runs. Where it used to strangle and fall on its face at 4500, it now shrieks like a twin-cam to 6K and beyond.
I drive in Atlanta traffic. Want to talk about hot?

Your issue is a non-issue.
If you don't want the manifold then by all means, keep your money in your wallet. If you're tired of reading this thread, then don't click on it. K?
Apparently, nobody cares.

 

 

The little guy on my left shoulder told me Dean wouldn't make it.... shouldn't have bet him that 20 bucks though.

 

Warned in a previous thread that got similarly out of control.

 

Unlocked by request. Keep it clean, folks.

 

Wow! Cool. Thanks.

Bump?

 

is there any news on raif's car? seems a little odd that she was so excited about this thing and now all of a sudden she has it and cant seem to find time to put it on. i would figure most people would be out there within a day or two gettin it installed after waiting that long for it.

 

Actually, that's my fault. Most of her vehicles are (were ) stored at my place , and I just had a major falling out with my landlord (basically, he wouldn't fix anything). I had planned to move out in a few months anyway (waiting on a house to be built), so everything...the cars, the tools, etc...temporarily had to go in storage. We did leave out all the hand tools, though, so the intake swap will be happening soon. We've been working more on her Fiero Indy Pace Car (finally running!), and converting my TA over to non-cc carb. The intake swap entails more than swapping a stocker, since we're using a Ford TB and the linkage winds up on the opposite side, so there are some changes that will have to be made, its not a straight bolt on (yet). We'll get started on it in a couple days, probably.

 

i just got my throttle bracket fabricated. all i'm waiting on is the intake.

 

Pics?

 

still can't get the freggin thing running, as i just had a fire in the engine compt. picture a Z coming off the throttle body, and the put a square in for the connection for the throttle cable. i did mine out of alum. i will try to get some pics of the intake, but beware i don't have any from before the fire.
the powder coating is screwed.......

 

I have one question about this intake i know on my car the AC compressor has a bracket that goes to the intake manafold and i see this intake does not have one will this be added on or left off.

 

Fast RS, the only attachment point we did not copy from the stock intake we used to make our jig was for the TB cable becuase it just won't work where it is with the new intake. Now we may be able to add somethiong to accomodate the AC bracket mounting point your talking about, but have no idea where it should be or what it looks like. If you could send us a few pictures or put them up here, it would be a big help.

 

 

Thanks for the pic bru333

I put the stock manifold in our jig and it looks like we'll be able to accomodate AC units. Since we have few ways to resolve it, I just have decide which will work and look best. Guess we'll also be adding an option the ordering list, inasmuch as some folks don't have AC and won't want an unused mounting point hanging off the intake or would rather come up a completlety new bracket that uses the lower inake mounting bolts instead of the upper ones.

 

(Lt1Guy on Redraif's logon)

The AC bracket is so sturdy, I doubt the top part is even necessary. We're replacing the bracket with a spacer (so the original bolt can be used, since it holds the belt guard on the front of the AC compressor also) for now. If it puts too much strain on the lower bracket we'll fab a replacement.

BTW we have started on the install, but its no where close to finished yet. We'll post all the needed bolt sizes and misc items used then. I'm off this week, so I may be able to get it finished up (have to put a clutch in my SS first though...grrr!!! )

 

I will add a part to our assm jig for those that want to retain the bracket. Whereas the intake will look nicer without the AC bracket mounting point I suspect most won't want it if the lower unit is strong enough to do the job. Generally, when it comes to auto makers, especially Detriot, they seldom make something they can do without to keep cost down. It's useually the high-end makes that go the over-kill route and not GM. We'll leave it up to the customer to decide if he/she wants to retain the upper bracket.

 

wow, i though that you guys had your intake on and running now joe, i guess that i am the only one of us that got it on and had the car started....

joe, do you guys still need a pic of the throttle cable bracket?

update on the fire, gonna take me about 3 more hours and about a nother 20 or so connectors. really only destroyed the pigtail going from the dist to the coil and my tach lead....
intake cleaned up pretty decent considering what kind of heat it went through...

 

What caused the fire?

Some of us drive Fieros, ya' know.

I'm happy it wasn't any worse than it was.

 

#4 injector o ring and clip. o ring had a chunk missing( still trying to figure that one out!)when i pulled them yesterday. and the clip was lost when i pulled the old injector out.(day of fire)

 

oh yea, i know you guys have them on raydar, i was talking about us f- body guys.... no offense

 

No offense taken. None at all.

I'm sure you've heard the stories, though.
"Don't those things catch fire?" is something we hear frequently.

I appreciate you sharing your resolution. It may save someone from burning their car down, regardless of what they're driving. A gas leak usually has the same result no matter what car it is.
I think we use similar fuel rails and injectors anyway.

Thanks!

 

yea mine would have been nothing but a shell, but my reaction, and me being a firefighter saved it....

troy and i were talking about that last night, they put the hold down nuts on the wrong side thinking that it was directly opposite of the fiero's, and it's not, the only difference is the upper plenum. the fuel rail, lower and mid runners are all the same, they just put a different top on them.

it still works with the rail switched around, you just have to extend your fuel line for the cold start injector about 2 inches, and shorten your main fuel lines up alot. i am having some of my buddies from the ship do my fuel lines for me cause of that damn specialised reversed flare that chevy decided to put on them.

if it saves someone else a couple of grand, i think it is worth it.

i have been in contact with both troy and francis trying to help them get it so there is almost no fabrication needed for installation. hardest thing i had to do so far was the iac vavle body to use the chevy iac motor on the ford 65mm throttlebody.
took me 3 hours on a bridgeport mill.

 

We'll put the hold donws where they need to be. And yes, we'd like to see pics of the TB cable bracket. Now I don't want to sound like like one of those guys we all hate to hear, but... for the newbess to this hobby I'll pass this along anyway. When it comes to fuel injection and even carbs for that mater, I never start a car that has had work done in that area without a buddy. My Son thinks I'm a nut, because I go a bit overboard in such cases. I'll first turn the key to establish fuel pressure and then get out and check for leaks, since I have a fuel pressure gauge, I'll watch to make sure it's hold pressure. Then I useully make him start it while I watch with a fire bottle in hand. I wasn't always that careful, but a close call years ago change that. Beter to be laughed at than to look for marsh mellows to toast.

 

yea, francis, i think i will agree with you on this one. a wiring harness is gonna cost me 250$ and the time to put it in. i will try to get the pics of everything on the thread sometime this week- Early next... as for the car, it is almost ready to fire off again. i have to check the system for leaks, check the dist for fire damage, get the fuel lines, hook them up, and voila.

the funny part about the whole thing, is i checked for leaks, and didn't find anything, fired the car off, checked for leaks, made the changes to the tb wires i had to make, and then Whoof up in flames. payday i am getting a mountable extinguisher, mounting it in the car, and mounting one in the engine compt just incase.



well francis, all i can say is with age comes knowledge, and i guess that in a couple of days i will be even more knowledgeable considering the fact that i will able to claim being 23 legally......