I've been thinking....

Far as I know, shannon has the baddest 6/60 N/A that I know of running minus them boat engines with the wedge heads.

Then we have doward here.. has an in-expensive turbo setup, is quite nice. He has the best boosted 6/60 on this board. However, Tiago still has the baddest turbo setup(not a member of this board, and if he still has that car).

Now knowing what doward has at the fly, and what shannon has at the tires.. I think we need to have them race against each other. They dont live all that far apart.

 

maybe I'm just searching for my name to be in this somewhere but I have the fastest n/a 60* v6 1/4 mile times on this board (tranny was also slipping on the 2-3 upshift). I ran .02 seconds off of doward's best 1/4 mile time and I already had (a) busted piston ring(s). Also, I have not touched the fuel or spark tables on the computer chip! Last time I tried to put the car on the dyno, my transmission was acting up so I never got a full pull in but it was making (don't have the dyno sheet in front of my but if i remeber correctly) 160+ hp by 3.5-4k rpms! There are also sound clips of it on my web site if you (anyone) want to hear them (actually videos). www.McKinneyRacingProducts.com

edit: oh yeah, someone mentioned fuel mileage...i get about 16-17 city and 25+ highway with 3.73 rear end in the car. not the greatest around but, not too bad.

 

AM91, I know you have a bad *** n/a engine. And have track slips. But I dont know any dyno #'s from your engine.

Honestly, I think shannon may have you matched, or beat on dyno #'s. But we all know dyno and track are 2 totally different things as more veraiables play into effect.

PM me some numbers and I'll let you know.

 

It was I who asked for that. Thanks much.

K

 

I'll say this, until Shannon's at the track, Alan has the fastest N/A 60º on here

Alan, my times were run with the 2 broken pistons. I'm getting the motor back tomorrow, and hopefully hitting the dyno again in Feb... be interesting to see how 12psi does

 

I can't wait to take my motor apart to find out what is wrong with it. lol. I know something is messed up in there. Don't know if its just rings or if its worse. You're getting the motor back...complete or the block then you have to assemble it? Which dyno you goin to? Maybe we can meet up there...its been a while.

 

ya know while we are talking about fast cars,
if everyone remembers correctly, i am the only other one on theese boards with the trueleo intake, and i will be running again here shortly as soon as i can get the car tuned, and not running rich. the engine is finally built and everything is on..... allan, i am coming for that title.... besides we all don't really live that far from each other, and i say we all get up at the track and see once and for all just who is the fastest 60* v6 on the boards......

 

You all are talking about taking motors out, come take mine out and figure out whats wrong with it I dont care about it being fast, just running right and reliable.

I've got another car thats faster then this one will ever be.

 

I have the only car here that has sanction raced and beat every V8 3rd gen it has encountered.

thank you
you guys can hang your dyno #'s on your wall and impress yourselves.

 

Stop being so abrasive and people woudln't give you so much crap.


2nd you need to start putting people on your ignore list who can only make snotty comments to you. I got a bunch of tards on my ignore list. Then maybe you will have more helpful post then pissin contest post. They will soon get tired of talking to themself.

 

ya notice yall started postin your #s and they all shut up and went away

 

Lol are you saying you made over 300 rwtq?

I'll be waiting to see specs and dyno sheets on that.

btw your car sounds good at idle, past that i'm hatin it.

 

If posting a fact is abrassive then excuse me- Another person that doesn't like hearing the truth.

Abrasive- lets see?, Maybe the first person tooting here that they have the fastest NA car in a public room - wasn't me being abrasive, I was setting the facts straight- you want to claim to have a fast car? go take on people in a venue where times can be judged on the entire cars performce in acceleration, cornering and braking combined that shows real world driving characteristics- then come in here again and toot off about whos fastest NA car or even whos the fastest 3rd gen peroid .

Street tire to street tire and full creature comfort weight (non stripped down race cars) I will take anyone on these boards (V8's INCLUDED) on every autox track and just about most every road course givien there are not alot of long straights and slow tight corners.

I wasn't the one boasting the first claim, so talk to the guy that started this crap- I am merely setting everyone straight.

Put me on your ignore list also.

People need to learn that a motor's power output is not what makes a car fast, its the whole car- the package deal. You can take a 300HP motor and stick it into a heavy slug with no drivetrain and suspension and get beat all day long by a car putting out 100HP with the package. Just becuase your motor dyno's or your car goes down a dragstrip at a certain time doesn't make a full time daily driver functionally fast. You want to narrow your abilities and make the car a full time drag car that doesn't stop and turn then you no longer have a functional fast street car. My car is fast in the rain, my car is fast in the heat of the desert- You get my drift? I do not need ideal conditions or I am tempermental and not performing. I can go uphill hard and downhill fast in changing weather conditions and temps- hour after hour, day after day......Food for thought next time you think your fast.

I am the fastest 60*v6 on these boards consitantly and reliably.
Anyone want to come back in here and toot otherwise then you'll have to prove better than this, so lets all drop the I'm fastest crap.

 

Its not what you say but how you say it. Your being snotty about it on purpose then get upset when people give you crap. You could say everything you did but in a better way and still made your point and people would then listen.

I could of said what I just said / typed 3-4 different ways. But am taking the high road hoping you will listen to reason. Then maybe you can share your thoughts and info without a pissing contest breaking out. I am willing to listen to anyones ideas but don't come off like some 80 grit sandpapper. Be 220 grit.

If its your goal to be the clown kickin boy, then keep it up.
But if your really trying to share and be heard, you gotta lose the snotty, just to be snotty attuide. Be 220 grit.

 

I think it sounds good at idle, but not revved.

 

Thanks!

Well as far as gas mileage... not to good right now... the air fuel ratio is way off... 11-11.5... should be 13-13.5.... SO the gas mileage is taking a dump with the A/F.... hence getting it tuned before I release any numbers!

 

Have you ever heard or being in the car with the windows up? You well know that my car has mirror tint. Not like they could see me! People coming from across the parking lot before they can even see the car clearly to see what it is? Its not like all the 4th gen guys really know the car!

 

get some tuning and numbers then

If I had the determination that Dean has I'd probably have a V6 car as a daily with all the handling trimmings. It isn't as if I need a metric ton of power to drive to/from work. I don't even see the highway. lol

Having not been on the V6 forum before, I like what folks here have done with their cars. Great craftsmanship to boot.

K

Edit: referring to post two above this one...

 

MIne is at about 15 I think! Before the new intake.

Now you def have the fastest PROVEN NA 60*.... no doubt...

But as we know I can't get PROVEN track times. Just like you can't any results on the dyno! So until one of us gets our perspective problems sorted out we can't really compare the cars. It would be nice to know what your A/F ratio is. If yours is closer to 13 then you don't even need a chip! With mine so off and the injectors being overkill... its killing my TQ early and keeping the HP down.

My track prob has been and continues to be my suspension set up and the cars weight! I've talk to quite a few people about it. The backend breaks loose as you all know. Now matter what the track condition or what tires the car has on it at the track. And its not my technique either. This has been covered. The car is a non posi and is lowered with no angle correction. I have the new k-member and coil overs... going to get some more drag oriented coil over springs to swap in and the stock rear springs for when I drag. Getting the Spohn tq arm for the angle correction.

Hopefully all that will get the car to plant and put the much stronger TQ to good use! My HP is below yours, but not by much... My TQ is WAY above yours though! The A/f being so off is holding my HP down. SO with a decent tune I should be OK!

 

Well by that, we could there by say until he gets to the Dyno I have the strongest 60* NA on here! :P

 

No... but 300 is not what the LT1 was putting down either. 300 might have been at the flywheel. I'm talking tested on a dynojet just like mine. stock set up...it was an auto like mine . It was not putting down 300 to the wheels. Will have to scan 2nite! Comparison b/w mustang and a 95 transam... will check it!

 

I don't normally drop into the V6 board, but I saw redraif's name, and since I've always admired her "Hey-this-is-my-car-and-this-is-how-I-like-it" attitude, I thought I'd see what was cookin. I was dismissive of many of the posts as they didn't seem terribly constructive--at least in my mind--especially since there are 70 hits, but only 2 votes in the poll. What's that say? Keep doin like you're doin, Shannon.

JamesC

 

He found his dyno sheet, and pm me the details. He's got you beat on the hp(I memorized yours wrong). He didnt send me tq specs, which I know is what your engine is. You may have him on tq.


Since I was the one to start all this jibberish about "baddest". It was in reference to whats done and what results are achieved. All the top end motors on here have went about it a different way(which is neat). I was NOT comparing how they are being used, simply engine alone..... mods vs outcome.

I belive all these listed are the people that are really making an effort, have put in tons of hours, money, research, and have time slips and/or dyno results to back what they have. I know of several others on here that have done research, and have engines in progress.

Doward=low budget turbo 3.1
frankinstine= turbo hybrid s10 2.8
??= supercharged s10 2.8
shannon=massive camed, over worked air passages n/a 3.4
AM91= high compression, agressive cam, ported heads/intake n/a 3.1

other then that, I think dave88 would be next on the list with 3.4, cam, headers, posi, and some other stuff I belive.

 

Dean, I'll give you the fact that your car cannot be touched on a road course (or something of that nature). There's no way to argue that. By "fastest" I meant down the 1/4 mile...guess I should have clarified.

 

Good points... I have always respected what you ahve accomplished. You most definately could take me... mostly do to my inexperience and to the fact my suspension is not up to yours, and the car weighs more. You are right, each car is going to behave according to many variables. In fact there are alot of suspension items I would like to encompass that you have on your car, as you know.

My car's problem is its setup as I have previously stated. Heck if I really wanted to see what my motor would do I would put it in my indy fiero, since it is way lighter. I have never planned on being the fastest... not going to take the car down to a shell to do it.... make it a DRAG car... But a drag car is not fun to me. OOHHH so I can go fast in a staight line for a 1/4 mile and theats the end of the fun... I like having the car quiet, streetable, and having a stereo. All that is going to hold the car back on the street and track. But is does not mean I still can't pull some impressive # for a 60*. What I can do, itsbuild the engine in a way to help compensate. Make the sub box and components removable. Tweek the suspension a bit more to make it preform better on the track. Auto-xing... I would like to start. Less for the win, but more for the fun. Once Im there I might get the bug! Then build a car specifically for it!

Let the Dyno show what my engine can do! All im trying to do is maximize this engine and show that thinking a bit outside the box can get you somewhere! I want the car to run respectible for what it is! I think its getting there! But $ does not grow on trees you know! Gonna take quite a bit to finish what I want to!

My car was planned from the beginning to be an all around car, good at alot, not neccessarily the best at any one thing. I think its doing that. The performance has been lacking, but alot of that was not having good parts like a new intake, or a bottomless pocket. Again the car is a work in progress.

I think what is hard is having a true way to measure the "fastest"... dyno... drag... auto-x... again all in the set up of the car and being able to standarize the cars in comparison by having each do the same thing to compare!

 

YEah its still tining aout a bit. Hoping the tune might help it out with that... we will see. BUt if the tune works and it actually runs well who cares if its a bit tinny, eh?

 

Chips in the works... have a few to play with while I send in my stocker for a baseline to be made! Saving some $ to get a on board A/F wideband O2 reader so I can just pop in the chips without the dyno expence. Heck a few pulls there and the unit is paid for. Then I can get the A/f spot on & go back to the dyno and see what happens...

 

Riiiiight... If there was a dyno in the area, I'd give you my numbers.

 

Sounds good

Edit: Again, responding to two posts up. What a coinkidink...

 

Oh I know he had me beat on HP... that is what the A/F ratio is really affecting. the TQ... I don't remember anyone close to having that number out of a NA v-6....including the fiero guys!

Makes me wonder what will happen when I get to the heads and mill them. Then add the larger valves. To be topped off with a real valve job! (I know have at least 50,000miles/8 yrs on them that we know of. The heads we supposedly redone before they went in the car, but I doubt it based on the horrible performance and bad mechanic) I know I have to be loosing alot there!

 

Thanks!

 

A stock automatic 96-97 LT1 F-body makes a little over 250 torque at the wheels...not 300. They made 325 at the flywheel. According to the GMHTP dyno test in the Dec '05 issue (a reprint of an earlier article, comparing the LT1 and LS1), their test car made 252.8 ft lbs at 3700 rpms.
So yes, her torque figures beat that...at a lower RPM, with a horrible a/f ratio, too, so who knows what they will be when the tune is right! The exact #s (all of them) will be released when the tuning is finished, so you'll just have to wait until then.

 

Not true!!! I've seen many bone stock A4 LT1's dyno right around 300 RWTQ. The problem is getting the dyno pull started at a low enough RPM to see a number close to the torque peak. What usually occurs when you go WOT is a downshift to second. Anyone who knows anything about LT1's should know they don't peak at 3,700 RPM. As for numbers on my 200,000 mile L98, I made 253 RWHP and 362 RWTQ on a Standard calibration Dynojet. On a corrected Dynojet, I made 232 RWHP and 339 RWTQ. I'd have numbers on the wagon but I hit the 108 MPH speed limiter in mid pull!

 

No, no, no. Don't get me wrong. This car needs to disappear, it's horrific...

 

hey just curious what are ur guys times with these na 6cyl cars > i seriously hope u guys are running faster then me with a mild 2.8 im hitting in the mid 15,s.Love my rs to death but no matter what it still sound slike a dam honda above 4,000 rpms though at idle sounds liek a 350 with a nice sized cam if i can ever figure out how to email sound clips from my phone to my email ill post a sound clip ill have to scan some time slips also

 

Best I've gotten so far is a 14.97 @ 90 mph. I feel certain that its got more in it, though. what all do you have done, dave?

 

trans swap with high stall conv
ported heads/intake
milled heads
cam
3 inch ex to 80 series flow master
4:11 gears/posi
alum drive shaft
custom chip
custom ram air setup
low temp stat
msd 6al
i shift about 7-7,200 rpm
and a 100 shot of nitrous that ive used 3 times with progressive controller with a best run of 15.1 smoked the tires horibly
though this spring im out to run the car again with all new suspension springs/dragshocks/liftbars/1le swaybars
ill try to get my time slips scanned tommorow since i dont have a scanner at home
when i got the car it ran hi 17's to low 18's's with nothing done to it

 

not too bad do you mind posting cam specs? just curious how big of a cam it is. what did it run without the nitrous?

 

Don't forget 614street and his blown 2.8 S10

Did he ever give up any numbers???

 

She asked for an opinion.

I gave mine.

I've been honest about RedRaif since day 1!!
The mere sight of her car makes me ill.
I can remember several different instances where I had to sprint to my bathroom to vomit and one instance where I involuntarily sharted and ruined a perfectly good pair of underwear.

I recognize that car as a waste of time, money and effort - in my own personal opinion which I do believe I am allowed to have.

You have to take the good with the bad.

 

15.1 with nitrous evertiem i would hit the nitrous i would blow the tires off the car and bust the trans mount
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 17 BTDC 51 ABDC 107 248 °
Exhaust 66 BBDC 12 ATDC 117 258 °
Lift: Intake @Valve 500 .
Exhaust @Valve 520
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.5
the idle sux big time but it does sound bad ***
car dosent start to pull hard till about 3,600 rpm

 

the day you show me an LT1 that doesn't put down 300 rwtq bone stock, I'll show you an LT1 that's only running on 7 cylinders

 

Exactly. I had to trick my transmission into staying in the proper gear to get a reading at 2700 rpm. I pulled 341 RWTQ with not very many mods at all.

If you really are an "LT1Guy" you'd know all of this..

 

I hope this comical image depicts what I properly think of this car..

just couldn't put it in words.

 

I really admire what you have done with the car Raif, though traviZ that picture needs a few touches.. maybe some bullet holes in the car?

Anywho. just getting my view acrossed.. Raif.. i really love the sound of your exaust, i love it even more since my car's exaust is stock.. and sounds like crap

 

well my 3.1 only put out 133hp and 178 tq.....the 3.4 is bound to make more than that, and its almsot done so ill be giving a few of you a run for you money haha am91 and doward im coming for ya lol

 

While there are cars on TGO that I don't like, I would never dream of demeaning the builder's vision--or the time, money, and effort that went into the build. Some perhaps should go to their rooms until they can polish their dipolmacy and old-fashioned manners.

JamesC

 

Remove the sanction, and I've beaten every single car I've yet raced on the street, including the LS1 Camaro SS A4 that I raced from 40-85 mph.

I'd offer to race you, Dean, but that gives you choice of track - and somehow, I don't see the turbo helping shuffle me through your choice of twisties

 

The difference is, brodyscamaro was tactful about it. I don't like the appearance of Shannon's car, either, but wtf - whatever floats you boat.

So it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. State as such, without being an ***, and move on.

No offense, but if you hate to see it so much, why the heck do you guys/gals click on this thread? It's obviously Shannon's car - DON'T CLICK ON HER THREADS.


omg what a concept.

 

Def get some scans in... would love to see the slips! Mine will not hook on the track at all. So my times are not good. Def not resprsentative of what the car should be able to do.

What does you car weigh?