firstfirebird

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OK, maybe a little...

firstfirebird

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grimmcs

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Nice. I just skimmed through the other thread about these...are they are for someone elses car, or did I not read it right?
Also, Im looking at the same tranny, from the same company, and was wondering what converter you went with?

firstfirebird

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firstfirebird

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3200 stall, level 2 Performabuilt.

Customer's car, shipped from VA.

grimmcs

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Damn...there are so many parts there that I have on my "suspension wish list". If my car ever gets done, it will be a long while before I get to touch the suspension. I'm so jealous.

TechSmurf

Nice.

What car is this all going on?

firstfirebird

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This one







You know if you are swapping to a 3.4 in your '86, might as well use the superior Gen3 late model 60 degree heads in the pics above


I know it's a 4th gen, but since so many of the V6's here have gone with the 3.4, and since this customer is going all out and wants dyno #'s figure everyone here would like to see

firstfirebird

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Got the Walbro 255 in...



Along with the UMI panhard relocation, BMR panhard, and UMI torque arm...




This week I should be able to start on the engine and front frame member work

TechSmurf

Yeah... it's gonna be a couple years yet before that thing gets back on the road. In the meantime, the heads have to come off anyway, and I'm already half tempted to put gen 3 units back on. I'm keeping the distributor though, so this will probably force my sheet/tube intake project. Honestly though I may just throw the iron heads back on and compensate for flow restrictions with added boost. :P

Kinda a toss-up between "make it really fast" and "make it sellable fast".

firstfirebird

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Why dizzy? If you swap to the MAP ECM ('7730), it will run the ICM, and you already have the reluctor sensor in the block on a 3.4.

TechSmurf

I think you need to wrap your head around this real quick.. I've got $150.00 in the turbo, turbo kit, 749 ecu, and tuning hardware combined. I've got $100.00 in the 3.4 sitting on the stand. Apply figures of this scale to anything and everything moving forward.

If I put real money into mods, they're going on the LS1.

bl85c

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So does he have any interesting plans for this or is it just a bad a$$ driver?

firstfirebird

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Went with a '7727 ECM and $a1 mask...



Runs nice, and with the rear suspension mods and the tuning, the car runs great! Will spin the tires a few revolutions stabbing it from a stop, and will chirp 2nd with the Vette servo.

Here's a short idle vid (stock crate 3.4 and my tune)...



Took the motor, trans and k out today...

Six_Shooter

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Techsmurf, going DIS is likely cheaper than you think....

You say you have a '7749 ECM, going to run $59? It can run DIS with a few changes to some parameters. There are currently two ways discussed on the code59 forum.

You have a 3.4 block, which has the provisions for the crank trigger, it probably has or had the CPS in it. It may have even had the DIS ICM and coils attached to it.

I went from dizzy to DIS in my Datsun (running a '7749 w/ $59), and never want to go back to dizzy again now.

firstfirebird

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firstfirebird

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Moved to a shop (got my garage back till the wife filled it up lol), so the stock k had to be bolted in temp.

Nice having a lift!

Pressure washed, getting ready for paint...





Blasted the brackets...



Took it back apart...







Started painting the fender wells, getting the bottom prepped etc...

firstfirebird

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Moving right along...

grimmcs

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Hot damn that looks good. Ive looked into getting one of those lifts...it would make so many things so much easier...as you probably already know

Gumby

Dude you really like to use pieces of 2x4 and landscaping blocks.

Got the back partial supported with em in the vid, then the front of the car 30ft in the air with the jackstands on stacked ones.

Did you even bother to nail them together???

firstfirebird

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Got the idea from an elis juan website for the "jenga" blocks, and yes they are nailed together lol. Had to do what it took before I opened the shop

Thanks Grimm!

Moar pics...

firstfirebird

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Started re-assy (hate putting some of those old parts back on )...

FireInMe17

I'm sorry, but isnt this a web site for thirdgens?......

xbox07

Doesnt mean we don't love a nice 4th gen build.

FireInMe17

Actually I hate 4th gens lol so I don't. I love Camaros, but they just didn't do something right with the 4th gen at least until like 2002 when they killed it

xbox07

I'm not the biggest fan of forth gen looks but i appreciate any well built car, especially one well built all around.

FireInMe17

Me too, but I just dont like the way they look.....

And it pisses me of to no end when I see peoples nice thirdgens that have 4TH GEN DASHES IN THEM!!!!! WHY?!?!?!?!

Its a Camaro, so I like it for that, but its also a 4th gen, so I dont like it because of that, third gen was the last good looking gen, and if they didnt hold out until 93 to release all the new features they did, then the last few years of the third gen would have been absolutely amazing. I dont disagree with the fact that a 4th gen is a great and all around great car, but it started to get into the time at gm when things started to be made of that cheap plastic, and crappy materials, and overall it just made the interiors of their cars look and feel like crap, and they tried to incorporate too many lines and too many curves, and too many changes wayyyy too fast prematurely and it just never really looked good......thats by biggest complaint

xbox07

Lol i think thirdgens were made of some cheap plastics too.

firstfirebird

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Yes, this is a site for thirdgens, but you do know everything I am doing to this car can be done to yours, minus the tubular k member, right?

My thirdgen has been on the back burner right now and though perhaps you guys might get some ideas

FireInMe17

The platics from the 90's and 00's were alot worse My friend had a 94 firebird and it felt so damn cheap on the inside, and wow i thought my dash rattled bad?!

Gumby

Well just stop using them landscaping blocks plz, them things are not made for them loads and will break apart like a popsicle.
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musclecar70sfan

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*GASP!* is that a 4TH GEN?! lol. seems like an interesting build. I'm just surprised that a mod hasn't pulled this down yet. I personally don't care, just sayin. lol

firstfirebird

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Been a while since a post, figure an update is in order. Getting real close to being 3rd gen related for all you purists

Some porting and appearance modifications on the UIM



Reinforced some tubular front LCA's after seeing one bent on an auto-x car...










re-powdercoated...


hmm...





new carpet in order...

firstfirebird

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Yuck!



Yummy!





and here is where it starts getting really relevant to this particular forum











EDIT: She looks at home with all her "friends" haha....

W1ngz

Wow.

Shiv515

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Great build man, wow. This guy must have some deep pockets.

micktroup2

What did you paint the wheel wells with?

Pillsbry10

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so what were the dyno numbers on that car i didnt see them?

firstfirebird

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Little slow on updates. My camera cards were full from the GRM Challenge and these (upload time haha), so here ya go...


1le steering rack with fresh Moog Problem Solver ball joints with some fresh paint to match, and some more of the other stuffs.

firstfirebird

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and this was a funny pic...

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tricycle mod?

TheSwarm666X

i'm curious on how much this was in parts, what parts you used and how much you are charging for this whole job. so far it looks amazing.

firstfirebird

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Tricycle mod haha!


The customer took almost 3yrs to gather all the parts, I have no idea how much because he looked for group buys etc.

I can tell you it has my custom cam, ported heads, ported manifolds, Corvette LS6 valve springs, titanium retainers, Manley stainless valves and Viton seals that I charged over $2000 for (Valves and retainers were $500 in themselves). The rest of the work is costing him $45/hr plus parts. It's been a year long project billed in stages, so I have no idea what the total was. He is the second owner of the car and has an attachment to it, he bought it in 1994.

This is a build designed around reliability, lightweight, decent power with great gas mileage. Can't wait to weigh it when it's finished, as well as dyno it again for after results

It made ~140whp stock. Thought I posted the dyno sheet, will see about digging it up.

Where in Fl are you? If in the south, come by and see it in person My shop is in Pompano Beach (1 block North of the FTLauderdale line).

TheSwarm666X

i live in Orlando around the intersection of 436 and 17-92.

if you are ever around lee road check out my restaurant it is called "Just Fork It" my name is Andy.

i currently have no car for myself (except the Firebird that i need to get running) just the van between me and my parents (they moved in with me once we got together and bought the restaurant) it is weird having the parents back in the house after 7 or so years of being on my own. damn the sacrifices to keep the business alive. anywho, keep up the great work. again looks damn nice.

firstfirebird

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Thanks!

Yeah we pass through O-town now and again (~2hr drive). My father won 3rd place in the all original Corvette reunion in Old Town last yr (couldn't make it this yr ) and our BMW race team just passed through there last weekend on our way to Gainesville - but we didn;t have much time to stop on the way up since the trailer had a a bad wheel and couldn't go over 55 lol, got a lot of beeps on the highway as well as pic takers, though, as you can see why...

http://s448.photobucket.com/albums/q...M%20Challenge/

Still can;t believe we built that car for less than $2010 (we came in under budget at $1960) for the Grassroots Motorsports Challenge.

Anyways, bck to topic, we got the front suspension bolted in tonight, by the end of the weekend we should have the harness hooked up and maybe get a cam break in! w00t!

Here's the same cam in another car with same specs - car in this vid, I opened up the chambers to 36cc so the customer could have .05" quench with 3.4 gaskets and less than 12:1 (all 6 jugs cc'd). 3500 heads/LIM, my custom cam, same LS6 spring swap etc etc...even though the title says "11.1 compression" it's actually 11.38:1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JAO3_2ztNs

and the measuring of said chambers...

firstfirebird

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T.L.

The 4th-gen is mechanically a better car than the 3rd-gen, but the 3rd-gen is a better-looking car...

firstfirebird

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Been a while since this thread was updated. With moving the shop and all, we have been spending crazy hours just to get back operational.

Well, we had a mis-hap, but turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

During the move, the Camaro was outside and we had a torrential downpour, manifold was on the engine, but lacking injectors and thanks to Chevy's brilliant design, water got in the engine! Well, we took the manifolds and heads off to find a bit of surface rust on the cylinder walls. We wouldn't let this type of build go out the door in that condition, so out the motor came.

Well, upon opening the oil pan on this 10,000 mile engine, first thing we noticed was that the rod caps were tightened inconsistently! Then after pulling the two pistons out, we noticed slight grooves in the bearing themselves Engine was already bred .040" over and the numbers someone wrote on all the rod caps were in no particular order.

Anyways, there's been more progress, but we were held up slightly by this situation and Paul will be getting a new motor for the cost of parts since we want to keep our name reputable. We didn't feel comfortable with the bottom end and 11.6:1 SCR.

Anyways, on to pics...
















I am not happy with the placement of the y-pipe from Pace Setter, it hangs too low, so it will be modified to fit better and not have to worry about it scraping the ground.

All ARP hardware was used, and all fasteners were upgraded for the entire car.

project89

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hey john i dont know if u already filled the trans with the trick shift,but id stay away from that stuff.weve had alot of customers who used that stuff and it burns up the clutches.theve always gone back to conventional trans fluid