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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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Theoretical Question?

So I was reading up on a 3500 swap, and came across something along the lines that the 3500 is a FWD bored and stroked version of my 3.1. Yes, I understand that it's a newer engine, and it's got more differences than that, but here's my question.

Would it be cheaper to get my 3.1 bored and stroked to a 3.5 or higher?

I mean I have very little knowledge on the whole process of doing that, but I just want to know. Instead of worrying about modifying my mounts, finding an ECU program, etc., could it be done as well as a new cam and such to make the same power?

Feel free to lecture, I want to learn as much as possible
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 03:41 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

You cannot bore or stroke a 3.1 anywhere close to a 3500, and even if you could it would not make the same power, a 3.1 is a stroked 2.8, a 3.4 is a bored 3.1, a 3.5 is a bored 3.4, but a 3.1 block has nowhere near enough material to bore it out to a 3.5, and there are no kits available to stroke it, so Idk how much you could stroke it either.
If you are looking for more power, consider swapping to a rwd 3.4 and or a hybrid swap, among many other options, read the sticky at the top if you need ideas/info on speed/power upgrades, also it would help to know what your power goals are.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Cool, thanks!

I'm just throwing around random ideas in my head for a different route to power. I mean i'm all for the tried and proven methods, I'm just tryin to think up other methods that could perhaps help us v6 owners out.

I've read all those threads numerous times, but I'm still not sure what I want. I want to make around 300-400whp but not sacrifice the handling or fuel economy of my lovely v6. I would love to do a 3500 swap, but I have absolutely no knowledge on welding, fabricating mounts, or any of the above. I'm still learning, but I'd like a car that didn't knock like a bad solicitor.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 05:17 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Well if you have the scratch there is a supercharger on ebay for $400, should put you right about 200 hp on a stock 3.1, 300-400 on a 3.1, you will have to go boost if you want much streetability out of it, you could obtain it N/A but that would pretty much require a hybrid swap and ITBs.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 05:53 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

I'm cool with building a hybrid, but thatd be a decently long project. I'm still learning all the basics, so I might have to just do a 3.4 swap for a dd til I have my hybrid built. I read the link on what a hyrbid is, but it didn't really make sense
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

read my sticky at the top of the forum..and a 3.4 is a better starting point for the hybrid build anyways, a 3.4 hybrid should make 250-300 hp with other fairly easy/typical mods such as exhaust, intake, rockers, and what not. My 3.4 probably makes about 200 hp and 240 tq on iron heads.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 05:58 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Alrighty. Will do. What all do I need for a 3.4 swap? If you don't mind me gettin off topic on my own post
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:01 PM
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You're killing me smalls, read through my sticky, I have answered just about every single question you're asking in depth there, as well as provided links to some of the stuff that had already been covered by others, including the information needed for a 3.4 swap, not trying to be rude or anything, just that the info is already there and you should search and read existing information before asking questions. If you still have questions after reading through my sticky, let me know and I will gladly answer them as best I can.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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link the sticky lol they are hard to find
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:06 PM
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Hahaha smarta$$. Ill read it a few times. I do believe some of the links don't work. And no hard feelings, I meant it all in good fun
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Actually, your swap links are not wodking, just an fyi
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:25 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Bleh WTF, they worked just fine when I wrote the damn thread and tgo is still around so what could possibly be the problem.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

worked for me just now...sounds like a conspiracy
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

Weird. My laptop and my cell couldn't load it.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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Re: Theoretical Question?

I checked and it didn't work on mine, despite them being directly from the engine swap sticky whose links work just friggin fine, I linked to that sticky instead, will just take an extra click to get to them now is all, honestly though wth did they stop working, not like anything went anywhere.
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:35 PM
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probably a v8 troll on the grassy knoll
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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I think it's how my browser, the new IE and my phone put the links short hand with a bunch of dots. when I click it, it opens with https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/v...-question.html

can you spot the problem? haha
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 08:03 PM
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thirdgen wouldnt load at all on my computer for the past couple hours, not sure what happened all of a sudden
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