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Old Dec 15, 2000 | 10:34 PM
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0-60 in 5.5 secs

Ok my major goal is to hit 60 from a stand still in about 6 secs max. How should I go about doing this? Im either gonna get a LT1, TPI, or a 3.4L. Im really leaning towards the 3.4L because it will be easier and it wouldnt eat so much gas. Now if I did get the 3.4L what would I do to get those numbers? And no blower or NOS.

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Old Dec 15, 2000 | 10:51 PM
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well, an LT1 or LS1 would automatically put you in that bracket. The new firebirds ran 0-60 in something like 5.2 seconds, while vettes were pulling 4.9-5.0. A TPI would most likely need to be built up, but would probably land you in the 6.0 second range, maybe 6.5 if it's in bad shape. A 3.4L couldn't actually be compared to these motors, also save that your firebird will weigh less than the birds that are powered by new LT, and LS1's, also 3.4L's. So, you might get some more speed because of the lower weight/hp. ratio. But if you wanna go that fast, i'd say LT1, or TPI. If you want a project, and something that people will be very impressed with, i'd say go 3.4L, but remember, a 3.4L running 0-60mph, in 5.5-6.0 sec range will most likely being pushing the motor to it's limits. You'd have to build the motor up, cam, headers, heads, possible turbo, nitrous, and any other performance part you can get, and you might be able to make 6 seconds, but i don't know if you'd get much faster. with the LT1, you could do these things and come out with a lot more power still.

also if your interested, the St. Louis Post, has a add for a 76 formula, the car has a brand new 455ci, 3.73 gears, and a 4 speed. It's like 1900 bucks, which would be a steal, and that motor would easily put you in the 6 second range.
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Old Dec 15, 2000 | 11:27 PM
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Damn, and i was aiming for a V6. But I gotta get into the 5 secs. So I guess the LT1 swap is still a go.

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Z-28 Exhaust
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TB Coolant bypass

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95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
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1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
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Old Dec 15, 2000 | 11:30 PM
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why dont u wanna throw a blower onto a 3.4?

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Old Dec 15, 2000 | 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Graeme'sFirebird:
why dont u wanna throw a blower onto a 3.4?

I just dont want it really serious. You know keep it kinda stock. Just touch the cam, heads, exhaust, intake, etc...

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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 12:05 AM
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yea for 5 secs go lt1...u know the songs sell out by reel big fish or johnny quest by Less than jake

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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 12:12 AM
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Getting an L98 to do 5.5 (or better) is quite easy. It can be accomplished with strictly bolt-ons. You wouldn't even have to put cams or heads on it to make those numbers.

But, quite frankly 0-60 in 5.5 seconds is not really that fast. It is only a 13.9-14.1 car. A nice street car, but nothing to brag about.
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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 02:52 AM
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I just dont want it really serious. You know keep it kinda stock. Just touch the cam, heads, exhaust, intake, etc...


how is the consideration of an LT1 or TPI swap n e where near stock? remember the turbo t/a ran 0-60 in like 5.1 so it is very possible in a 6 cyl. just gotta be smart



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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 10:24 AM
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put a buick GN 3.8 liter turbo in it then turn the boost down to slow it to 5.5 second 0-60 times

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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 11:30 AM
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Noooo, Im not trying to keep it stock to MY car. Just the engine. I dont wanna SC it unless I have to cause they eat gas. Now Im seriously thinking about a 3.8L with turbo. I know its not stock like I say I want but a Camaro with a blow off valve would be too cool!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
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Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
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Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
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Old Dec 16, 2000 | 11:32 AM
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Ok I think I made up my mind.......3.8L Turboed!! Ugh! I cant get that out of my head! And I was shooting for 0-60 in 5.5 secs because my friend is getting a Integra GS-R and they do 0-60 in 7.2 sec. GOTTA BEAT THE *****!!!!

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95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 12:17 AM
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What's your 0-60 time right now? (with your 3.1)

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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 12:36 AM
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Monkie, the goal of hotrodding to go as quickly as possible, as cheap as possible. It doesn't matter if it impresses people with turbos, nos, sc, nulti-valve OHCs or what. What matters is how quick it is.

Anybody can go fast if they throw enough money at it. Set a budget and start to cost out each alternative that will get you down the 1/4 mile as quickly as you want. No one is going to laugh at you because you were able to do 13.0 in the 1/4 and you only had to spend $1,000 to do it, while the other guy spent $15,000 for his "technically advanced show-boat". Around my parts, we consider the other guy a fool.

If you can run a carb, you have even more cheap alternatives.
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by pianiy:
What's your 0-60 time right now? (with your 3.1)

On paper its around 10 secs I think. But on stopwatch its around 4 secs. LOL, I know its wrong but hey thats what the watch says!



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8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 01:10 AM
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yeah with those stop watches, v8's keeping jumping to 60 in 3.2 seconds. My friends 79 lincoln Cont. that's 4000lbs, will do 0-60 in an impressive 7 seconds with a watch. nice huh.
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by 85f-bird:
yeah with those stop watches, v8's keeping jumping to 60 in 3.2 seconds. My friends 79 lincoln Cont. that's 4000lbs, will do 0-60 in an impressive 7 seconds with a watch. nice huh.
I thought my wife was the only one with one of those Mark Vs.....big son of a bitch aint it?!.....but you got to admit, its pretty damm neat to see a 79 model year have the "auto" headlights when it gets dark and turn themselves off after getting out the car....
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 10:55 AM
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BTW, the big ol' Mark V's 0-60 is around 11 sec with the 400 small block...gotta road test of one of those too LOL.

Considering the size of it, that isn't that bad!! Especially when you consider us stock is about 10.5...one false move and a land yacht eats us (which actually weighs closer to 4800 lbs)....ARGH.
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 08:55 PM
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yeah, his is pretty quick too. He's trying to make it a "fast" car. He's done comp. everything on it, and is now trying to find some headers too, he just bought his new 4bbl carb, and manifold. But get this, it'll even chirp the tires into 2nd gear, i can't even do that. but he can't do a burnout.
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Old Dec 17, 2000 | 09:01 PM
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Make sure he saves the stock parts!! A '79 Lincoln is a serious collectors item...last of the REALLY big Lincolns.

If you don't believe me, go check the Lincoln/Mercury section of "Old Car Trader."
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