TechSmurf

I've always wondered, but due to the lack
of v6 fbodies in my town it's been hard finding someone to ask.. should an '86 2.8l MPFI be able to spin the RR during a power-brake? Also, what's its approximate stock 0-60 time?

Thanks..

[This message has been edited by TechSmurf (edited December 04, 2000).]

Black 86 'bird

My 86 2.8 MPFI can't spin it in a power-brake. I wish I could. I don't know the stock 0-60 time.

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TechSmurf

Hey.. suddenly I feel alot better in thinking my engine isn't about to explode. Still, I think 17 seconds is a tad excessive on the 0-60.. (Just trying to gauge my drivetrain's condition)

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TomP

My '86 can, I have P275/60r15's on the back. Check out my message regarding "Major Tuneup", take care of what's in there, and you should feel some power come back.

--Er, well, that depends on one thing- what do you mean by a bad cylinder?? What's bad about it?


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jason86/2.8

I could spin my rear tires if I held the brake all the way down along w/ the gas pedal. The 0-60 for a 2.8 fbody is something along the lines of 10.4 secs. The 1/4 mile is around 17.6 I think.

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Jason E

Hehe....Jason86 remembered the #s I posted back awhile ago...those are the figures...and the trap speed was 82MPH or so.

These numbers were for the limited-produtcion, '87 RS 2.8 5 speeds...most any other 2.8 should put up the same #s stock.

Read my post "I underestimated the new coil!" Not only can I spin the RR, I guess I can do a power brake a little better than some of you I wanted to lay a nice strip the other night, so I can tell ya...my RR starts to spin at 2200 on a power brake, and when I floored as the RR started to spin, I smoked the RR almost all the way through 1st gear...got it to 5200 before it caught traction.

How's that for a near stock 2.8???

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MARK28V6

i can power brake my 2.8 5 speed till i let off teh gas i just heel toe shift it rev it to 6500 bog the clutch when tires spin i hold the brake dump teh clutch and put my foot throught the floor get it to spin the wheels at 6500 shift into second and hold the brakes hard,itll spin till i get off teh gas or.i take my 2.8 to 6700 and have had no probs yet.its an 89 byb the way firebird, i think you should be able to spin the tires

Jason E

I could power brake it 'til I let off too if I wanted to...I just don't wanna wreck my tires, rear end, tranny, u-joints, etc.

If I'm gonna beat on my car, I want some results in a straight line dammit I was just shocked I could get rubber almost all the way to 5200 after letting off the brake I would have loved to have caught 2nd with the tires still spinning!!

MARK28V6

hey im just doin it now cause i want it to die so i can do my buildup i dont abuse my car im gettin sick of the 2.8 it leaks oil and is slow so bacl off man

Garmer

When I first got my car (had bald tires), I did a 250ft burnoff (measured)! It went into 2nd still buring them! Now I am not very hard on my car at all.

85f-bird

i've got pretty new tires on the rear, but they're not performance or anything. Yesterday i did a burnout check with my new motor in, and with brakestand i can burnout with only half throttle, i can also get a good spin with chrip, and an occasional burn with just gas and no brake. on my brakestand, i hit the gas pedal, heard the tire spin, released thed brake, my rpm's went up, and the car went nowhere, i looked out the back window, and noticed the rear of my car was covered in smoke, then slowly the car started to move forward before the tires caught, 25 ft down the road, but there's a huge piece of black rubber, where i started at. I now feel confident, that i could spin em till they pop.

3.1 firebird

my car has no problem spinning the tire even without doing a brake stand.

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RenoLB8

17 seconds? That's a quarter mile time, not a 0-60 time...

-Reno

TechSmurf

Nope.. it's a 0-60 time.. 16 secs on a *good* day. Looks like my engine is truly in dire need of that rebuild. Pretty sure at least one valve seal is toast, although when I did my 3k mile check on the plugs yesterday they all looked normal for once.. even the one that used to come out with massive oil deposits. Thanks for the info =)

dudelovett

Aaaaaah, memories of the "tire" spinning!

I could get some pretty nice burnouts going in my old 2.8, just dumping the clutch and mashing the brake for a while...and the best part about it was when that right tire started getting bald, I just threw the left one over there and it was all good again.

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Jason E

Hey Mark, taking issue with what I say?? Hmm...I have a right to say whatever the hell I want, as do you.

All I was doing was pointing out that power braking kills sh*t...but feel free to do whatever the hell you want. Its your car. But don't get snippy with me if all I'm doing is pointing something out. Did I tell you to stop?? And exactly what the hell does power braking and wrecking u-joints have to do with you not liking your 2.8? Whatever...I don't appreciate being told to back off when I'm making a statement.

Graeme'sFirebird

all u guys spin rr? i spin rl? what the ...?

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Jason E

Damn, how can I explain this...actually, I can't...ask Tom LOL.

All open dif cars, if the rear end is in proper shape, are supposed to spin the RR (unless the LR is unloaded, like when taking a corner). Why this is, I don't know...but I read somewhere what the reason was!

TomP

TechSmurf, did you take care of the major tuneup?

Jason, yeah, that's how I understand it, especially the point about "the rear end is in good shape"!


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MARK28V6

first off jason who the **** do you think you are insunuating i abuse my car,wtf do you have a right to say that ,yes you do,but do i give a flyin ****,NO I DONT,and the damn 2.8lv6 sucks granted its fast but its fast for a 2.8lv6 thats all, its sucks so much gettin yewr *** kicked by a damn 4 bangin,rice burnin,fart pipe soundin ,piece of **** jap car,anyone that thinks other wise can kiss my american car drivin *** ,if you drive a jap piece of **** shaddup,i dont want yer peice of **** opinion,thats all and have a nice day

TomP

Mark, not cool. What the heck are you trying to start something for? You need to go somewhere else and relax. Jason never jumped on you OR your car; you're the one jumping on him.


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Jason E

Thanks Tom....I'm not even sure how, or why, I should want to respond to this...but here goes

First, powerbraking, if you do it even on a remotely regular basis, ain't good for the car. No one here is gonna say otherwise either.

Second, you told me to "back off" when all I was saying was that power braking (let alone shifting 700 RPM past redline) isn't the greatest idea in the world. I wasn't talking about YOU in particular. If you chose to take it that way, that's your problem, not mine.

Third, my "piece of sh*t opinon" as you so kindly put it was made with a helluva lot more class than you have shown. And no, I don't drive a Japanese car, nor will I. I just don't happen to have as much ego issues as you do when I pull my 12 yr old Camaro up next to a brand new Civic Si, and knowing "gee, technically, he can beat me." But that dimbulb paid $17,500 for an economy car as far as I'm concerned, so I have the last laugh

I also know that if I get the right launch, he may not beat me because his engine doesn't even come alive until 5 grand or so. If you've got problems with being beat by rice, then either hop your car up or buy another one.

But don't have a coronary when someone points out that power braking isn't the brightest idea in the world, especially when I didn't say "MARK DO NOT POWER BRAKE YOUR CAR." Not kosher.

I do plan on having a nice day...thanks for wishing me one!!

85f-bird

I agree with the others, if you're just trying to destroy your engine, (don't understand why) then don't power brake it, just race it, heck, if you keep powerbraking, you'll mess up a lot more things than just a motor. And if all you want is to get it overhauled, than stop now, and overhaul it, or just drop in a new motor. Do you want to do a V8 swap, if so, go for it, it'd probably be more economical to simply by a v8 f-body, but if you're driving a firebird/camaro, economics probably isn't what you're looking for (we burn as much gas as hondas pay for their cars)

Also, i hope that everyone on this board can take a chill pill, if you're truly worried about winning races against japanese vehicles, than improve you're own car, i personally have never lost to a Japanese car, not to make you feel bad, but even if i did, i wouldn't get to agrivated about it, normally people with Japanese cars will pull up to me, look, and then say, "you got a 350 huh?" and that's it. Even the pimped out Hondas show respect to my bird.

MARK28V6

ok first off lemme say im sorry was havin a really really bad day,and i shouldnt have said that stuff,was just pissses and that took the cake,on the other hand my motor finally blew up i threw 3 rods right into my oil pan my peak rpm was 8100 and she let go and yes i did it on purpose ,blew so bad the passenger side head is loose i can move it up and down oh well,she got the motor pulled tonight its 1:00 in the mornin here and i finally got it pulled its gettin a 406 tpi or carbed smallblock im not going with a v6 like i origanlly was goin to ,but anyways you guys and especially jason im sorry dood

85f-bird

i'm sorry, i mean, i'm glad for the engine blowing. And glad to hear that you're now going to do a small block swap, but why didn't you just pull the motor and tranny and sell them off, then you would have had more money for the swap. Even if it was a little it still would have been some, and money's money. Just seems like a waste to me. But good luck on the new motor.

TomP

Good luck with the swap, Mark; and yeah, you might want to consider posting that v6 trans and MPFI system in the classifieds here. I'm sure someone can always use a plenum to do some porting on


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MARK28V6

actually i spotted a 455 ho pontiac motor in the paper and im gonna go that route and if anybody wants it there gonna have ta come get it or pay for shipping ,youll get the whole damn thing comp harness and all alternator ac comp everything i mean everything any thing bolted to it or going to it goes with it.ill post it in the classifyeds soon and im gonna make the topic for the 455 soon too
oh yeah i got some pics but i cant post em would someone do that for me if i email em too ya

TechSmurf

Ok, I was on crack. Took out the sub box for another test and came out to a 12 sec 0-60, still not enough torque to spin 'em, but it seems alot closer to stock spec than I thought. Probably never will be able to light them with the 150 lbs of bass-producing equipment in the back anyway. Thanks for the info, working on getting the stuff together to give her a major tune-up. =)

Mike Harvey

Hey Mark28V6 I sent you an e-mail so let me know bro, Thanx

- Mike Harvey -

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Monkie

Well right now my right tire is almost all bald. LOL, today when it was raining I had so much trouble getting traction stopping and going at a redlight. It was funny. I had my system up so I couldnt hear my engine so all I was going by was the tach and you could just watch it go up to about 45,000 RPMs and I would be going maybe 10 mph. I was just wondering what the person beside me thought. I bet it was something like (Geeze his car is struggling!). But anyways yea I can get my TIRE spinning and am also good at spinning out and getting sideways in a wide turn. Hey Im 16 and Ive got a Camaro! What can I say?

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TomP

45,000 rpm? Yipe!

TS, 150 pounds? Are you sure? Wow. Yet another reason why I have a subwoofer plate instead of a box... the plate weighs 30, the amps/rack weigh 50. Or is that plate/50 amps/30? Something like that.


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Mike Harvey

Hey mark28V6 I sent you aan e-mail yesterday and it was sent back to me from the Post Master as nondeliverable mail. Well anyways this seams to be the only way that I'm going to be able to get a hold of you so here it goes: I want your whole intake including the TB and your valve covers. Send me an e-mail at flash_point@msn.com w/ the price you want for them & if you can't decide on the price then we will hammer it out. Later

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Vortex_89rs

Back when I had my ole' 2.8 (those were the days!!!) I could spin the tire without using powerbraking. Then I got new tires and only could on my car's "good running" days, as I called them. Then my friend down the road pulled out his 88 SC from storage (2.8 5-speed), and burned rubber through 3 gears. I couldn't believe it at all. The non-power tire was bouncing about 6 inches off the ground, and the power tire was just spinning. And it didn't stop spinning till he got into 4th gear (I counted the shifts as he roared down my street). And I think there is still tread in front of my house where he started......

Vman

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1969 Camaro
383, Corvette heads, 700R4
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1988 Toyota 4-Runner
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Kyle F

Im not even otouching this one. Loook a V6 should be able to bring rubber in 1st gear in an auttomatic and probably second in a 5-speed if its in goos working order, but not 4th. My EScort will bark them going into third if I wind second Out and Power shift it. Its only a 1.8, but with DOHC and a yellow line of 7000 RPMs


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Vortex_89rs

Who said anything about 4th?

Vman

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1969 Camaro
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1988 Toyota 4-Runner
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Vortex_89rs

His car reminded me of something - what do you install to keep your non-power wheel from bouncing up and down when your power whell is on the ground and spinning? Traction bar? Any good brands to look for?

Vman

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1988 Toyota 4-Runner
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85f-bird

i'd think that you escort would have only one problem with spinning the wheels through more than 2 gears, Weight!!! it's front wheel drive, you've got an entire motor sitting on the wheels that are spinning, while our cars have a hollow trunk, and an axel to lift off the ground. I'd be sure that the escorts front end is weighing down the underpowered engine. also, how much T.Q. does you engine have? just curious. Cause we might out T.Q. you a little bit, which would make a difference in burnouts.

MARK28V6

um sorry bro but if you want it the whole thing is yers i dont want to seperate it

Kyle F

I think its some thing like a 140ft lbs. Im sure you guys out Torque me, but I can dump my clutch at 7000rpm and hold shift that long so that helps. I know all the V6 F-bodys have more power, but I have better gearing and a lot less weight over all. Under powered, not now. I am not sure what my specs are noe, but I can run consistant 15.5 quarters now. All I can say is Torque steer is a bitch. Not bad for a daily driver

PONTIMANIAC 90

There's a way to get V6 F-body to go realy fast and stop even faster:
Fill it up with rocks and shove it of a clif.Mark of 1/4 mile from top of clif and you get your "best time".Hehee
Just kidding.Not meant to offend anyone.

Graeme'sFirebird

wow haha funny..! can u tell the sarcastic sound in that...

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Jason E

'85F-bird,

Regarding a FWD burnout, actually, FWD is BETTER for doing burnouts.

Think about it, where does all the weight transfer to? The back. It isn't where the weight starts out, its where it ends up! Our weight transfers to the rear, and hampers our burnout ability. With his weight transferring to the back, it helps him.

And as he said, dumping the clutch can have unbelievable results. An idiot I know has a beat '90 Grand Am 2.5 with a 5 speed. He dumped the clutch somewhere around redline (not sure because he has no tach), and with 95hp he BAKED the fronts.

What was even funnier was when he pulled the e-brake and did it 2 more times....he fried them until he wanted to stop!! That poor car...its still running 6 months later too, with about 150k miles.

85f-bird

yeah, you're right jason, i didn't even think of the gravitational pull from the acceleration and the weight shift. I"m an idiot. And that's why that guy in the Honda was spining his wheel as he tried to race me. hehe, it was funny.