bl85c

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I'm now selling retrofit DIS ignition kits using a '165 ecm for the 2.8/3.1. Customized kits are also available for any other engine combo or hardware needs. With the full kit you will recieve either a sheetmetal reluctor (minimizes pulley offset) that bolts between the crank pulley & harmonic balancer or '85 models will recieve a replacement crank pulley with the notches cut into the pulley, sensor & bracket that bolts inplace of the timing tab, coil pack & ignition wires (napa cheapies, 8mm available on special request), oil pump drive, a 1227165 ecm preprogrammed with 32B for use with the stock MAF, the NTRPMX bin or Power Adder 6E for the Tbird MAF (I will do custom changes for stuff like injector size, iron heads or hybrid motors or whatever else you need) and instructions on repinning the connectors. Please pm me for prices. I will supply a 3 bar map sensor as well if you want to use Power Adder 6E at extra expense (a map sensor is reqired to use Power Adder 6E). Let me know if you also want mounting hardware and the coil bracket modified for the iron heads. I verify that each ecm & coil pack works on my own vehicle before shipping. All kits are assembed on demand, expect a 2 week delay before shipping.

Maverick H1L

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How much would a kit be without the ECM and chip/program?

What about the oil pump drive?

AmorgetRS

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Stupid (I think) question... is there a need for this if you run the 3.4 block?

Maverick H1L

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3.4's already have the required parts and the reluctor ring is cast into the center of the crank, which is hit-or-miss on the 3.1 and forget it for the 2.8...

Pillsbry10

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well with this you could use all the 3.4 top end instead of swapping your old stuff to the motor

AmorgetRS

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But that would only require the reprogrammed ECM, right?

Maverick H1L

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Well, if you still had the 3.4's parts, the only thing you would really need would be the ECM and tune...

AmorgetRS

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What does the 3.4 use for the oil pump drive?

Maverick H1L

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The oil pump drive on the 3.4 and the FWD cars is essentially the lower half of the dizzy assembly (everything at and below the dizzy clamp) which contains a dizzy gear to drive the oil pump shaft off of the cam without having the big dizzy on top to save space. Didn't see it listed in the kit so I asked... Don't really think people want to keep their dizzy just to drive the oil pump...

bl85c

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The pump drive is included as well, forgot to mention it. Please pm for prices.

Maverick H1L

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I'm definitely interested... Might be a while before I can come up with the money, though... Stinking body work...

Killert

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Definitely interested.

Would you make individual "Personalized" Kits?
I would need ECM, coil packs, and the oil pump drive. But I have a 3.4 block, Could you include instructions for using the stock 3.4 sensor? So I wouldnt need the stuff that goes on the balancer, I also wouldn't need the wires.

Could I still use my MSD box? I got a 6AL2 and I really love the rev limiters

bl85c

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PM sent.

bl85c

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Pics added. Note that the reluctor included in the standard kit is different than what's in the first pic. The third picture shows the sheetmetal reluctor included in the standard kit. Sheetmetal is neccecary to minimize pulley offset that would lead to a thrown belt. V belt setups (shown in 1st pic) require a different reluctor because the backside of the pulley is not level with the dampner face.

firebird904

Would a knock sensor be needed? Also I have a new map sensor off a fiero gt would this work with the Power Adder 6E tune? I'm about sick of the darn MAF. My birthday is coming up so that means the camaro gets an upgrade still gotta get the block to the machine shop but this is a good deal

bl85c

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You don't need one, I can program it however you like but the fiero map won't work and you can't run it on the map alone yet, that won't happen until the next iteration of Power Adder 6E. Part of the point of upgrading to Power Adder 6E is the use of larger (and more reliable) mafs.

firebird904

I can probably do with the stock maf for now and then upgrade later, put me down for a kit I can probably get it before the end of the month.

Gumby

You can count on me to support the project but Im barley making the bills right now, and my virago forum is blowing up like a bomb, gotta find a extra $120 a month to get a real server. but mid summer I should be in better shape.

bl85c

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If you want to use 6E you need an analog t-bird maf to do it, otherwise you need to use 32B. Not as good as 6E, but you can upgrade easy enough later.

I may start putting together harness adapters although I have to do them on an individual basis. Needs to be repinable too...

firebird904

Quick question, with this kit after everything is wired and re pinned. Will I be able to plug it in and use it with the pre-programmed ecm without having to do tuning myself for now? Reason I ask is because I'd like to use the DIS with the iron heads for now then by the end of the year do a 3x00 top end and get my tuning stuff when I'm ready to do that because I won't be doing any further mods to this engine other than an mtc-5 cam. I'm going to be taking it on a few 500 mile trips this summer too.

Project 3.4 Camaro

I also have a 3.4 but would be interested in an ECM and instructions on how the hell up the ECM and DIS, but I already have the coil pack and ICM that came with the 3.4 as well as the oil pump drive, not 100% if I still have the sensor though as I recall I had to pull a sensor off the block cause it got in the way of my headers, though I think it was the knock sensor.

bl85c

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No tuning neccecary until you make changes to your setup (like the 3x00 top end).

Anyone interested please pm me with details of your setup including motor specs (iron heads or 3x00, cam, ect.), injector size, desired hardware (knock sensor or not, stock maf or upgraded, map sensor for Power Adder 6E, ect.), and intended use.

evo6z28

any conversion kits for '730 ecm?
what would be necessary? has anyone done it?

bl85c

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I can sell you the hardware sans ecm but you need to do the calibrating. It's easy enough to do I can walk you through it if you need.

Six_Shooter

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In a '7730 the $A1 calibrations would be close enough stock, that you wouldn't need to really do any tuning.

The $A1 was used in 3.1L Cavaliers, Berettas and some other 3.1 V6 cars from 1990 to 1994. They are very easy to find.

FWIW, the FWD $88 calibrations could also be used, since they run DIS as well from 1987 to 1989.

bl85c

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Yea but that's alum heads. Not nearly enough spark but it would run.

evo6z28

why do the FWD calibrations have less spark advance? Less vehicle weight? I thought aluminum heads would allow more advance due to better thermal efficiency?

Six_Shooter

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From what I have seen the difference isn't much.

Also if someone were so inclined and not wanting to tune the ECM, which they should, they could adjust the sensor position around the reluctor wheel changing the overall timing advance.

That's part of why I made my CPS mounts adjustable.

DeathStarr89

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Fastburn heads don't need as much advance as open chambers.



If someone wants to post up a screen shot of the SA table from an iron head engine i'll post up one from a stock $A1 bin...

bl85c

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Here's the "tower of power" in the APFS $3A bin for the '302 ecm.

Six_Shooter

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That's fine and all, but there's a bunch of other multipliers and offsets that need to be taken into account when looking at an SA table.

bl85c

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???

Six_Shooter

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*sigh* The numbers in the SA table are irrelevant when you don't have the values of the other multipliers and offsets that effect what actual crank timing is.

bl85c

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I understood what you meant but don't see the relevance. If its not in power enrichment, up to temperature, not at idle and not in highway mode or any of the other specialty modes it doesn't normally drive in (like launch mode for the '730) spark will be what's in the main table. Another point- coolant temp compensation differs quite a bit between the two motors. I can't say how it will run until it gets up to temp but I don't imagine it would be great.

Regardless I think we're getting off track.

DeathStarr89

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Here is the actual base SA table from $A1.. (stock 3.1 Gen 2 5 speed)

Six_Shooter

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I'm not talking about any of the "special modes," I'm talking about the basic settings that effect crank timing all of the time.

I have had to adjust those tables and scalers (offsets) to get what is in the SA table to be what is at the crank, in some cases.

What I am saying is, there could be what seems like a large difference in SA tables, but very little at the crank, and it would be the scalers and comp tables that make the difference.

Were not getting off track, just pointing out something that many people on't seem to notice.

bl85c

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So looking at the two tables above you wouldn't say there's a big difference? The scalars for 6E always seemed accurate with what my timing light showed me.

DeathStarr89

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Something you guys should really look into is the $A1 "nAsty1" development by Robert Saar. It's $A1 that he's modified the heck out of creating new extended VE tables, Spark tables and adding some custom options.



http://60degreev6.com/forum/showthre...oncepts-Thread

jakemussman

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Pulling the trigger count me in for one!

3WindCoupe

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I have a 3.4 'short block' with iron heads that I was going to use for the 'easy' 2.8 swap but the more I read about the potential of using the 3100/3400 heads and FI I think my son and I may spring for this. Would you be so kind as to outline what we'll need or should I just plan on bringing everything from a 3100/3400 over plus your conversion for the swap. And please PM your price for the conversion. Thanks.

bl85c

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Read through the stickie "How to get the most power/speed out of your v6" at the top of the v6 board. All you nee to know is in it and the various links. PM sent.

Project 3.4 Camaro

You still selling the kits? Sent you a PM about buying an ECM, I'm on a bit of a time constraint, so if you could just let me know you got my pm, and how soon you can have an ecm ready that would be great, thanks.

firebird904

I got a kit from him a few weeks ago. Communication was A++, Haven't installed it yet but will say that everything looks pretty good. I just got to get out to the junkyard and cut out the harness pigtails that go to the coil packs so I can splice it into my existing harness.

Project 3.4 Camaro

Yeah he PMed me back today, I just wanted to be sure I reached him ASAP, I'm on a serious time constraint, got a lot of work to do on my car and not a lot of time, and atm the ECM is the biggest thing I need, and probably the most work, plus shipping will take a bit of time.
Can't wait to swap it in though, no more messing with the dizzy, precise timing control and tuning capability, I imagine not having a dizzy frees up a small amount of power too cause of rotational weight, I'm sure its not much, but every bit helps, I reckon having an ECM thats actually tuned will net me a 5-20hp increase as well.

dfarr67

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I'd love a variant to run with a vortec/tpi and ebl 7747......also looking at ford edis and ls coils but would prefer to stay away from extra controllers.

bl85c

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Sorry I haven't had the time to do these kits in quite awhile, when I'm capable I'll let you guys know here or the "V6 owners, take a look" thread.

RBob

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If you can make or have made a NorthStar trigger wheel and sensor mounting bracket that is another way to go. Just need the two crank sensors (no cam sensor required). The N* set ups are all over the junkyards and easy to find.

Not much else out there as far as waste spark for the 8-cylinder engines.

RBob.