I was looking around the classifieds for a car and i saw a flame red 91 firebird, V6 3.1L auto. it has like 97,000 miles, and after talking to the guy, he made it clear that it was all 75% traveling to different states. i told him i would like to use the car for daily driver / light racing ricers, and he said it would be great. i told him about the 3rd gens being Noto. for auto slippage at around 100,000 miles, and he said the tranny was PERFECT. then, scared, i asked for the defects. he sent me a pic of the top. its in REAL bad shape (its a convertable). the top is stretched and faded, the plastic is scratched, and there is a real small rip. it is tan / biege.

instead of going on about this.. heres the email..

"Ya, I was not really a Firebird guy until this Firebird caught my eye. The
Firebird is in really good condition, with the exception of a few small details.
First of all, the top is pretty worn out. It is fully functional and doesn't
leak,(unless you take it to an automated car wash)! The top is ok, it is just
stretched out, faded, and has a tear in the drivers side. If I was going to keep
the car I would replace the top, but it just isn't worth it to me to replace
it..ya know? Anyways, about the milage: most of it is highway....probly about
75% of the milage is highway. I have owned the car for about 1-1/2 years, and I
have put about 30,000 miles on it! Before I bought my other car, I constantly
drove the Firebird between Northern Colorado and Southern Colorado. The guy who
owned it before me was constantly commuting from Pueblo Colorado to Denver
Colorado(which is about 110 miles one way). That is where most of the milage
came from.
No the engine hasn't been rebuilt and neither has the tranny(automatic not
5-speed). However, there is no reason to rebuild either of them, the tranny
shifts perfect every time and the engine doesn't burn oil and all the
compression ratios are fine. By the way, I have always used the highest quality
fluids and have always changed the fluids on schedule. About modifications:
Bosch +4 plugs, accell wires, bluestreak ignition, Custom K&N cold air intake,
and I think that is it.
The spots U saw on the back seats were actually little burn marks from when my
girlfriend spilled air freshner!!! Beleive me I was pretty upset! But I have
found a few guys online who have seats for sale....one guy said he would sell me
the whole set of seats for 80.00$!!Also, I think that the pinon seal on the
differential needs to be replaced...40.00$. Like I said, only a few minor
details with the exception of the top. Anyways, the power locks usually don't
work properly, I think it might need an alighnment, and the clear coat on the
trunk is faded a little bit....not very noticable.(probly 125.00$ to repaint!)
The stereo in the car is killer!! Blaupunct cd deck, MTX amp and speaker..ect.
Did you see the exhaust? 3-1/2 pipe all the way up and the Borla tips. Urethane
suspenson bushings, Monroe gas-matic plus struts up front, Gabriel air-shocks in
rear, Amber fog lights, custom rims and tires and I can't think of anything
else. But, anyways, this car is in good shape, with quite a few extras priced
below kelley blue book(8260.00$) How much are you wiling to spend? Make me an
offer! I really have to sell this car!! Also where are you located? Well, let me
know what you think-even if you aren't interested! thanks...or you can call"

and the second one after a few more Qs.. "What up. ya the stereo is pretty tight. I can't remember what model the
Blaupunct is, but I think it is a 1999 model. I replaced all the speakers with
very high quality Kenwood units. The Kenwoods in the rear are 5-1/4 and they
cost 145.00$! But anyways, about the price.......I am sorry but I am afraid I
can not accept any less than 6300.00 for the vehicle. THe blue book resale is
8260.00 and the trade in is 4950.00$...so I figured I would price it somewhere
in between. Plus, the extras I have added to the car also increase the value.
But I know that the car needs a few things to make it perfect. I want to at
least get what I think the car is worth! Anyways, the car is really sweet, so if
you are still interested let me know.

Also...it is nice to talk to someone who loves f-bodies as much as I do!!"

so what do you guys think? is is worth it?

 

sorry for the essay..but i wnated to get everything straight!

 

I'd offer him 6000 and see what he says. I think it'd be a good car.

 

i said 5000, maybe alill more. he said firm 6300

it sounds OK. mileage is a little high for me, the top is a biggy, the paint would have to be re done... it sounds like wayyyy too much trouble for 6300! **** ive seen Camaros (like the look better anyway) and firebirds in PERFECT condition go for 6000! i dunno, it seems like a good deal, but a lot of hassle for a 3rd pic car. my first would have been a 91-92 rs t top/convertable v6 5 spd power locks/windows

close close second would have been the suped up sebring lookin 1997 camaro RS 3.8L v6 5 spd convertable with aero pakage

and third that firebird.. in good condtion.

anymore opinions? ill wait till 2marrow to check

 

I do not think that it would be worth it...for that price you should be able to get one in better condition....but that is my opinion.

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Sgt Panther

89 Firebird..2.8/3.4 conversion

 

NO..... I would never in my life pay that much for a V6 when you can get a 1994 Z28 for the same price or less than the 8,000 this cray think the car is worth.

 

97k miles for a 1991 car is high? Geez! That's under 10,000 miles a year- sounds pretty low to me.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

PERHAPS thru your Dad's business, the top will go for less than $1k.
My 1967 Camaro convertible top cost that much, last time I did it.
The paint, who cares
The stereo
who cares.
You want a solid strong running engine tranny suspension brakes drivetrain for your investment.
Yes, you can get a V-8 etc for the same price range.
BAD PART from that local, body rust may be creeeping in.
SEE THE CAR!
That is a rare combo, so it will hold its value, especially if the end of the line is near for the F body.
Convertibles always hold their value and you get lower insurance for your investment.
SEE THE CAR!


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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

I love the camaro and 6, but see that camaro and drive it then go drive the 1994 Z and then think which one you rather toss the coin away on...

 

1994 Red Z-28 convt
needs repairs
$6K
VA
804-732-8001
an option, too
in hemmings
95 bird
convt
58K miles
$8K same guy

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

[This message has been edited by KED85 (edited April 10, 2001).]

 

god damn why does everyone ALWAYS say "WHY NOT JUST GET THE V8?!?!?!" Maybe i dont want a v8! lol sure id love one, but i drive them EVERYDAY! they arent god like you guys make them out to be, the insurance here is soo much lower on a 6, and gas is too and i only am getting minimum wage. it needs to be a 6 guys, so should i buy this one, or wait till my dad gets to a few more auctions?


ken that red bird convertable sounds nice, wanna email me some pics and specs?

 

You could have bought mine for $3500. Just think of what you would have had Vs. That car that needs all that work. This guy is a **** . He thinks his car is god becasue its a convertible, but its in Sad shape if you ask me. I think you offer him $100 over trade and laugh at him when he doesn't take it. He will have that car forever.

www.geocities.com/feltsb/kyle.html

[This message has been edited by Kyle F (edited April 10, 2001).]

 

Glenn91GTA is getting 30 MPH with his car (with some PROM mods). I think it's the 350. The other guys with the newer Thirdgens are getting 20-25. That's what I get with my 6 depending on how I drive.

Not sure about insurance, but weren't your parents paying for all that anyway?

 

For 6300 bucks its not worth it! Especialy if you have to spend money on a paint job.
i think his blue book values are off also the car that you describe needs paint so that puts it in the fair catagory of blue book.
its probably worth 5500 but a new top 1000$ and new paint 1500-2000$ kinda puts it over the edge. just keep searhing the paper and ebay.

 

I have NO pics, etc to offer.
I saw these in the latest issue of Hemmings.
You'd have to call him.
I do know he does have Corvettes, too.
He has had a 1974 Corvette for under $3k for a bit. It's been banged, that's why.
it's your call, totally.
BUT, I HEAR YOU 100% on the V-8 vs V-6 costs. It's tough!
You'll find what you want. Oh, that Old Lady owned Mustang GT convt.has been sold.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

ya i am, my dads a Manheim (sp?) the main dealer auction for this part of the east coast today, maybe hell see something. it doesnt look like a good deal, ill ask him to lower his price

thx guys! youve all come through yet again! ill keep you posted

o and about my rents paying the insurrance.. ya the are, accually i just ahd a fight with my mom today in the car. we were coming back from looking at car audio at Best Buy (boo! i get free **** from my dad ne way) and a green iroc-z came by us. we were talking about my dad finding a car at the time and i was like.. or u could just buy me that, and she was like "We are paying for your insurrance, and ur dad might want u to have a V8 and a motorcycle, but im not paying for it. im paying for the V6 insurrance, thats it!" and i was like, well then ill pay the extra for V8 insurrance, just admit that ur too cheap to buy a V8. and it stoped there . damn car is causing family problems! we need my car soon lol

 

The blue books are WAY off bro..... I had a 91, it was in decent condition, needed a head light motor gear, horn repair, passenger window switch, passenger window retracked (jumped off) had a o ring leak (1 qt per 3 weeks) got 21 to 25 depending on how ya drove it. The iterior was good, rip in the drivers seat, two black tar marks on the rear seats, dent in the passenger door and the paint was the classic 90 to 92 GM special aka fading, peeling. The car drove great, shifted great. Trade in was 1500.00 from two seperate car lots. Blue book said 4500 to 5000.00 retail, 3000.00 to 3500.00 private sale. AS IT SAT.... The third gens are a nice car, they hold there value, but they are NOT worth as much as he is trying to sell it for. My friend is yanking the engine out of my old bird and putting the old engine back in, he found a perfect 1990 he will be using the engine for. If you want a car that drives, has few problems that can be fixed cheap, started every day for the 16 months i had it, i am MORE then sure he will sell it to ya, i can get you a price and i promace it will be a hell of alot cheaper then what that guy wants.

David

 

wow all these replys are great! hey thanks for the offer man, ill keep in touch but what i really want for right now is a V6 5 spd camaro. then ill just do some minor suspention and apperance mods and leave it be, and when im 17 and a half ill sell the lil man on my dads lot and buy like an iroc to mod to he!l, or one of those 2nd gen 6.6L T/As

 

After seeing all that's out there I seriously wouldn't pay more than 3000 for a 6er.. and for that 3k it better be in *EXTREMELY* good condition (in reality I'll never buy another 6, but if you want a comparison on the basis of my max price, I'll never pay more than 5k for my dream '89-90 GTA either, and for that 5k it better be beyond my dream specs). Red91Bird's take on the KBB values is right on.. the guy who's trying to sell that thing at that price is either going to have it forever, drop the price, or find himself a sucker the likes of which I've never seen.

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'86 Camaro SC, black /w silver racing stripes
2.8l MPFI/700r4 /w special 2nd gear delete option
In search of new v8 engine & transmission, now contemplating t5 swap to get me out of this mess.
MSD coil, Accel 8mm wires, SplitFire plugs, Gabriel hijackers, possible performance chip I don't know about.. gotta crack open the ECM and check sometime

 

I talked to my friend today. He will be reinstalling the engine in my old bird in afew weeks, and taking the one i started and he finished and putting it into a 1990 firebird. He said he would sell it for 2200.00 obo, it needs some work. The blue book says a 1991 rated as rough is worth 2400.00, my old bird is far from rough, needs work but is a good solid car at that. Prolly would take about 500.00 in parts to make it 100% if ya did the work yerself.

When he gets it ready to go i will most likely post it here for him as he rather see it go to someone that likes these cars.


David

 

sweet, ya take my email and drop me a line, i might be interested


Notoriousjjs_2000

@hotmail.com


sorry its spread out, but some people miss the _

 

First of all...I am the person selling the Torch Red Firebird. It is not a 1991, but a 1992. The car DOES NOT need a new paint job...the paint on the trunk lid is simply a little faded. Granted, the top is in bad shape, but I have gotten several bids for a new one and they have all been around 650.00$. The holes in the back seat are very small....and I have found several people wiling to sell me the entire back seat for less than 80.00$! Also, I have gone to kelley blue book online (www.kbb.com) several times, and the "retail value" of the car is 8260.00$ and the "trade in" is 4950.00$, so I figured with all the extras I could at least ask for an amount that is half way in between the two prices. I don't mean to advertise my car or sound like a **** , but basically...the kid who was interested in my car had alot of info about it wrong....by the way, here is a link to see the car for yourselfs
www.geocities.com/danblackz28/index.html

 

SMALL holes? dude i counted what looked like 6 quarter sized holes on the back right seat. how did i get the info wrong? i copied and posted the email! smart@ss... anyway the car is a pos, read the posts. it has 97 miles and you havent rebuilt anything and you say its good enough to light race for 2 more years?! w/e have fun selling it

 

Jason-you have never seen the car in person, I have. You have never driven the car-I have. Obviously you have no basis for your arguemnent. Before you go calling a car of which you have never seen a pos...maybe you should grow up and think about how ridiculous you sound.Peace-

 

true, i havent driven the car and you have. but its also a known fact. dude metal wears down, it doesnt magically stay alive, i believe the car is in good condition, im just not sure if its "racing" condition. either way if the price was lower id buy it. and i can afford 6650, im not poor, its just not worth that much to me

 

I understand that metal wears down, however, the rate at which it wears down varies. At any rate, the tranny and engine are in excellent working condition. I have used it for light racing...at the drag strips anyway,(Last summer) and it did fine. The tranny doesn't slip or anything, the motor doesn't burn any oil, and all the compression is fine. All of the problems (except the 40.00$ pinon seal) are cosmetic, and relativelly cheap to fix! So if you are still interested...... maybe we can work out a lower price.? Well, let me know what you think. -Daniel

 

Ummm i haven't seen the car either but don't knock a 92 that has 97K on the odometer bro... thats actually DAMN good and if it has been taken care of is good for another 25 to 50K before a rebuild. I think the blue books are guides, i think there way over rated, you will notice that MOST blue books will give 4 figures generally the highest is for a pristeen car that needs NOTHING... the lowest is a car that needs alot to be on the road. Look for a average between the two and thats a figure for a car that runs, is drivable and in 85% overall. To use my old one as an example.... 5500.00 retail = Perfect shape aka showroom type... 2400.00 = may or may not over heat on the way to the store a mile down the road. 5500 + 2400 divided by 2 = 3950.00 = average shape and running condition. Is most likely what a car lot can get at the auctions for it IF it runs and drives nice, this is also a price you may see on a private non comercial car lot. Its also what a dealer can use as a trade in on high end cars. Generally cut this figure in half (1975.00) is what a dealer will give you as a trade in. I got 1500.00 as a figure from 2 lots. 3400.00 is the average private seller price. Now from the 3400.00 you should deduct any and all money it will take to fix the car to 85%, in my case for someone to do it it was a figure of 1200.00 (headlight motor gear, O ring on distributor, horn, alingment, right front rotor and paintjob.... that brings it down to about 2200.00 which is what i sold it for.... I am very honest and upfront when it comes to cars as i sold em for a summer, it was a great job and i learned alot of ways the sales people can and do make money. The stuff above is a general guide and one i used to sell my 91 bird, its the same one my friend will use to resell it when he gets the engine in. THe engine btw has 112K on it as a 1991, thats a average of 9300 miles per year --- thats DAMN good, in the 16 months i have had it i put 750 miles a month on it ALL highway -- 9 miles to work on I35 and 9 miles back. Oil changes every 2500 miles. The car was run thru that car check as well. No accidents and was owned by a asian women in VA. Anyways i regress.... thats what i use as a guide... not right, not wrong, but works for me...


David
Dallas Texas

 

hey firebird rip off.... I'm sorry but even not seeing the car I would NOT pay over 6 grand for that car. I bought my 92 camaro rs coupe with the 3.1 and 5 speed for 7500 from a DEALER and it had 78k miles. This way almost 2 years ago, now the car has almost 100k (I traveled between Illinis and Virginia a few times) and I am getting ready to paint it again. It has new shocks/struts and K&N and new tires(Firestone SH30 195/60/15 up front and 205/60/15 on the rear) Iroc sway bars(Front and rear) new high performance clutch a 600 watt sterio with a rock 12 in the back with 2 6by9's 2 pioneer 4by6's in the dash and alpine 6by9's in the sail panels. Sony cd dash unit. and a few more things that I may post later. I still would not ask more than 5k for it IF I would sell it(which I won't).

 

Oh that air freshner has got to go!

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

I bout my 91 RS 2 years ago for 4500... had 36000 miles on it... only bad things were teh tires were at that point racing slicks and the tape in the radio dint work. I dont think its a good deal at all

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91 3.1 RS.
T-Tops
12" tube in the "trunk" (That hole they call a trunk anyways)
16x8" ROH Rims
Firehawks all Around
New BOSCH plugs and wires.

Itchin for a SLP Cold Air and new catback.
Dynomax or American Thunder... dunno yet.. suggestions?

 

Ok I haven't posted in quite a while due to lame @ss replied posts like this:

I get quite a kick out of this you come & post this topic asking for advice on it & then when the actual seller of the car comes to post you treat him like $hit. Just for that you don't deserve to his car. You deserve a piece of trash that you constantly have to fix but who cares since your daddy is going to take car of it for you.
Also by the way just cause an engine is close to 100k miles doesn't mean anything. I have driven cars that have way more than 200k miles on it them w/ the original engine & tranny & they are fine. So long as the maintenance was kept up & wasn't royally beaten then they will last for a very long time. Also Blue Book values are just a ROUGH guide. They do not show the true value to what a car is worth. If that was the case then every vehicle you look at should be appraised if you want to get that **** about it. Around here in my town 3rd gens are hard to come by that are in a type of decent condition.
I honestly think you should think before you type & grow up a little bit & buy the car for yourself.

 

My observations:

Thirdgen's are great cars, expecially for the money, but have crappy resale because of rednecks abusing cheap sports cars. Also, they are what I consider to be the last true muscle car. They don't pamper and pretend to be something they aren't. They are cool, american, and have nothing to hide, and people view that is low-tech and cheap. Unfortunate, it really is.

6 Cylinders have even less resale value.

Rustang- not to offend any 6er's in here, but when you stack up most(i emphasize MOST) 6s to the 8s, the eight's do tend to be the "gods" as you so eloquently put it. Granted, there are some newer V6's and even older v6's that would suck the doors right off of my V8, but the v6's you are talking about aren't high performance cars. They are very nice looking vehicles with moderate performance. Be realistic here people, I whipped more than enough v6 fbodies in my 88 Olds88 with the 3.8 to make that statement. Not to say that they can't whip alot of imports that are twice the price.(not trying to start a flame war here). I also own a V6 Firebird, and it is quite a pleaseure to drive, even with it's problems, and I would rather drive it than a Mustang whatever any day. Just stating my observations.

Most Firebird Conv. owners want a lot for their cars. You don't see alot of these around. They are great looking cars. Someone in my area wants $9200 for thier white v6 Conv. and it has over 100k. No offense to Firebird conv. owners, again, just my observations.

-Rustang- The seller wants too much. Good luck 95BlackZ28, it will be a hard sell. I think that it would be worth your time and money to put in the new seats and the new top. Although it doesn't like your case, cosmetic issues are often linked to mechanical issues, if you know what I mean.

-Peace-

Chris

 

frankly, im not trying to be an @ss, but u need to follow your own advice. I have probably drive far more "over the hill" mileage cars that run perfect than you have, but from the info i have gathered from this board in 2 months, i was under the impression that ALMOST all trannys are pretty much gone past 75k miles (auto) and a lot of people here rebuilt there engine at 100k (even tho i could think of like 6 members on this perticular board with like 120k and rising that run perfect) so i was under the impression that it probably didnt run as well as he says. the guy was gonna drive 3 states over for me to buy the car, i just didnt wanna say "Sorry, i dont like it" and not buy it after he spent all the time to drive here. I was looking for a 1992 camaro RS V6 5spd with power steering windows locks and (if it came on camaros) hatch. i was very firm with that desion on my search for a third gen since ive had my eye on the 3rd gen camaros since i was 6. the only reason i started looking at this 1992 AUTO firebird is cause there is a upper-classman (Sp) here that has a 92 firebird with t tops. he told me he knew i was getting a 3rd gen camaro (all my friends do, they are more anxious for me to get my car than i am!) and he asked if he wanted to chill and mod our cars together. so i said sure, and he offered to give me a ride home in the 'bird and let me drive. it was nice, i liked it a lot so i thought i would take a crack at this car, and asked you guys if it was worth it. from what i gathered its not, so i havent even looked at this post in a long time. now i come back to some flame war..AIMED AT ME! sorry i miss-read the info on this board. i will read more carefully now on and not assume 2or 3 peoples problems happen often. i just dont want people on this board to get p!ssed because i decided its not worth it so that when i get my car i can get some help from the best board out there.


keep up the good work guys..

pe@ce

 

I think what Mr. harvey was getting at is that it was just kind of rude to call this person's car a POS, especially when he is trying to sell it and appears to be an active member of the f-body community. I wouldn't necessarily call it a flame war, as much as a call for a little maturity here.

BTW, my last post look as if I was drinking. What I meant to say in my last paragraph was "Although this does not look like the case, cosmetic neglect can sometimes point to mechanical neglect.

That is all.


Chris

 

To: cbpldc, well said. That was the point that I was trying to get at with out actually saying it. Thanx

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E <----------------FOR SALE

 

Thanks for the defense fellas! I felt like I everyone was ganging up on me! Anyways, just to make a point....the car is now sold...at 6500.00$. The buyer of the car was astounded at the condition of the car.....especially for the price! Lots of people in my home town who have actually seen and drove the car, thought that I let it go for too little. Anyways, even though I now have no thirdgen...I am very happy with my fourthgen.! Thanks fellas...keep up the good posts.-Daniel

 

Here is a link to the site...if any of you want to see the car. Thanks-Daniel
http://www.geocities.com/danblackz28/index.html

 

ur joking right? goood condtion at a little price? im not gonna start anything cause this post is dead..but just to make my "point" too..

yesterday i saw a 1997 v6 5 spd firebird convertable in perfect condition (i drove it) with Ws6 or w/e springs, new exhaust, new rims.. etc. there was a whole page of stuff for $7000. thats 500 more for a better condition car. it was mint with 95k miles but rode perfect like urs. plus i saw a sh!tload of newer ones for around that price at the dealer auctions, and some other nice 3rd gens for like 3k but they didnt have power windows, or they didnt have power locks, or there was something that it didnt have that i "needed" in a car.

but anyways if the moderator could delete this post since its pointless now thx overclock

 

well I dont know about you guys but I deffinately think that was a rip off for that price/condition. Local to me theres a 92 z convert, think how rare that is!. Well I talked to the guy about it and he is willing to sell it for get this 6200 bucks!. The car has 43869 on the odomiter and is in perfect shape. no rust no dents kept in the garage new yoko's factory bose system. Its the deep green metalic with a tan top.

I dont expect any to beleive this but a freind and I in northern Va got a 1968 camaro RS/SS for 700 bucks. Well you are thinking it was trashed right?...nope. PERFECT SHAPE! PRICE NOT A MISPRINT 700 DOLLARS. The story is much more involved butit went basically like this.
Old man(father) bought his Kid a camaro. He drove it home from the dealer and maybe a week later he got drafted. They parked the car took off the tires and stored it in the garage. well 2-2 1/2 years go by and the kid gets killed. Old man can never get the nerve to sell it and keeps it there hidden from the world. The old man dies and the mother cannot stand to see t anymore and puts it in the paper for 500OBO. The ad went like this... 1968 camaro for sale been sitting for a long time do not know if runs 500 OBO. Well we called it seems that we were the only ones interested after it sitting in the paper for over a month.
Well we go to check it out and see 30 years of dust on the car and think its trashed...SO we clean it a little to find it ALL ORIGINAL RIGHT DOWN TO THE OIL FILTER. Needless to say we ran to the nearest ATM and got the money, put the tires back on bought a can of starting fluid and drove it to his house. We were overwhelmed to say the least.
Message here never underestimate a poor add..call and check it out. I got a 91 camaro t top running w/305 auto that shifts good, that just needs carpet and floor boards for $625 last year...Though I am in the process of getting a replacement exhaust and better tires but hell it was 625 for petes sake.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's funny you are already stirring the pot by what you said in your post.

Then buy it if your so determined to show his car up! Oh but wait, let me guess that car must not have something that you want, huh? You sound like a 12yr old.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E <----------------FOR SALE

 

it does have something i dont want.. its not a thirdgen

 

not to start a V8 V6 war but i paid 3400 for my 88 camaro RS and with an exhaust and the free ram air that is showed on this site i have my 0-60 time in the high 7's. That's all i've done so you can't tell me that its not quick i bet you i could beat some of you 305 190hp cars because mine has like 203 or so...you can soup up a 6 just as much as an 8 but the parts are harder to find...thas all...in my view don't buy the Bird convert because i don't think a convertable is a real sports car it is more sport luxury...

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1988 Camaro RS 2.8L exhaust runs about 190hp. Kills all those rice boys and euro trash cars.
(KILLS) 1987 Honda Accord LXI, 1994 Honda Accord EX, 1997 VW Jetta, 1995 Camaro Z28, 1993 Honda Prelude SI, Dodge Intrepid, 1990 Nissan 240SX, 1989 Ponitiac Firebird, 1990 Pontiac Formula Firebird

 

Here's a good way to kill this: A car's worth as much as you want to pay for it. If you don't want to pay what's asked, move on to another.


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CamaroVroom,
I'm gonna have to call BS on this. There is no way your V6 has 203 HP with only the mods you listed. If you want to prove otherwise, show us your dyno numbers, otherwise, leave the speculation to the experts. And another thing, there is no way your car can take and beat an L03 that is maintaining any compression whatsoever, and has a driver that is at least up to your marginal driving skills. Not a chance, not with what you told us.

Chris

 

I just bought my 88 IROC Convertable for 3400.....For a V6 convertalbe I would think it would be worth less. ESP with that top

 

who the hell dug this one outta the grave and why?

 

Its not that people are saying get the 8, there saying that for that high a price(WAY to much if you ask me) you can get a better condition 8er. I would keep looking if I were you. Though I paid just about that for mine 3 years ago and it had 69,000 miles on it. Then it was worth it. Now I would laugh at the salesman. Sterio equipment does not rate very high on the resale thing. sellers think they do but sorry to say a 2 year old $2k system is worth less then $700 now. Theres just better stuff out. To replace the top is a good $1200 job to get it done right. So your looking at 6300+1200= WAY too much money for that car. ESPECIALLY with those miles, and you already mentioned the impending tranny failure in the next 3-6k miles. So add another $1k for that. Tell him if he wants you to buy it, have him replace the top, rebuild the trans and then it will be closer to being worth it. but if he is not gonna even consider that stuff forget it. The deal with the seats I leave up to you, again not worth it if you ask me as it stands now.