what will i have to do to get 200 hp out of my 84 v6. I already have flowmaster exaust and a k&n filter. i dont want to add nitrous because its hard on the engine, and i would like to leave the engine MOSTLY stock. Money isnt that big of an issue. i just want more power without getting a bigger engine or a newer car.thanks for the help.

 

That is what will be the hardest thing to overcome

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1.52 Roller Rockers
Crane 2030 Cam
Head Work
Plenum Porting
MSD Coil and Ignition Setup
Pulleys
Reduce Weight of the car
Aluminum Drive Shaft

 

brian k??? where can i get the porting done at?? how much should it cost???

 

Call around to local machine shops and speed shops. Tell them you are looking into getting your Cylinder heads ported and a 3 angle valve job. Probably pay 300ish for a real good job could be more.

 

I believe Edlebrock makes a 4bbl carb for carbed 2.8s. I would do this, or convert to MPFI.

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 90k miles

'97 Z28 w/30th Anniversary package
LT1 (obviously), 6 speed, t-tops
White with orange stripes, killer system, 41k miles

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

Easy. Find out what CamaroVroom has done to his car, which makes a 2.8 w/exhaust and CAI into 190 hp. Then, do something or other that's worth 10HP. Maybe a slightly more radical Cam?

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Hey, I just put on one of his header/exhaust combos!! Now the RS can beat the '97!!! Amazing stuff

RIGHT....

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Medium Grey Metallic
2.8, A4, T-tops, 90k miles

'97 Z28 w/30th Anniversary package
LT1 (obviously), 6 speed, t-tops
White with orange stripes, killer system, 41k miles

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

190 horse with headers and exhaust? that's nothing. i make 224 horses with just a pair of exhaust tips i got from Autozone for $4 apiece

 

yeah but what kind of engine do u have that kicks out 224 horsepower?

 

I'd say nitrous if you want a cheap way to make 200hp.

 

its a completely stock 2.8

 

Chevyguy,
You'll need more than those tips. You gotta get stickers, lots and lots of stickers. That's what all the ricers do that enable them to keep up with Z28's and Corvettes, when all they have are a CAI and exhaust. It's gotta be the stickers.....

Chris

 

When I took the Hypertech sticker off my hatch last fall, I felt it immediately. I mean, I must have lost a good 30 HP!!!! I made it all back though when I put on a set of Fiero headers, and a catback....

To help with the actual question though, if you really want 200hp, you will be forced to open the engine up. You need a cam, RR's, etc. if you ever plan on seeing 200 solid HP.

 

dude said his 2.8 has 224 horse power stock
im falling of my chair laughing so hard. with his exhaust tips i hope im not the only one that had to say . hmmm, 224 and hes on our v6 board and we know whats up 135
and thats all you have stock buddy dont take it to bad its constructive criticism!

 

Hey bub, it's a joke. Read some old posts, you'll catch on.

 

Want 200HP?
Buy another car!

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Chat Soon,
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Karl
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are you joking about the stickers? cause this guy that says he has 224 hp only has 15 posts.so i figure hes new.but i get the stickers part.

 

Nah bub, it's not the stickers. I believe he's makin fun of CamaroVroom, the guy who thinks that an exhaust and ignition gave him 50hp.

 

ovrclck350 is right. hey, guess what bub, the blue light special at Kmart is back! go buy yourself a new sense of humor!

 

Hey now, no need for flames.

 

Aw c'mon guys, it wouldn't be the Notorious V6 board if we had no flames. I mean, in the time I've been here, first it was Monkie, then Kyle for some time, then some other idiot, and now we have CamaroVroom. If we didn't have someone to make fun of for idiotic claims, what fun would there be??

I'm gonna outside now and take my airbox top off, and drill some holes in my muffler....should be good for at least 60hp.

 

Hey what was my stupid claim, I might have flamed, and Lord knowm me and monkie had some good wars going on, but I never made rediculous claims.

FLAME!!!!! FLAME!!!! FLAME!!!!!\
by the way where did CamaroVroom go anyways?

 

You think thats good I had my Civic boasting 1/4mile times of 10's after just installing HKS and Powered by Honda stickers. Though I have to say the biggest improvement came from the V-tec sticker, its amazing how that changes the whole attitude of the motor above 5500rpms. Though I have not put my exhaust tip on yet, I am wating for my mom to finish the can of Folgers. I mean Why pay $4 when I can get it for free right.


[This message has been edited by Kyle F (edited May 02, 2001).]

 

Hey Kyle,

Sorry man, didn't mean to say you made unsubstantiated claims. It wasn't until after I wrote that that I realized that's how I came off. And by that point, I was too tired to fix it

All I was trying to say is that without someone to yell at on this board, it would never be the same.

As for CamaroVroom, I smoked his *** last night. I put his headers on my Trek 8000 mountain bike and my *** was gone

 

is rebuilding an option? if so I can tell you how to get 220-230 hp and similar torque

 

Ummm....if you rebuild a 2.8 with some super high compression pistons, high comp rings, super port the heads, high ratio roller rockers, waaaay radical cam, and an improved intake, electric water pump, you may have a chance for something like 185-ish, I suppose. But nothing short of nitrous or a blower will bump you into the 225 hp mark.

 

I've seen him in the General Tech area asking about engine swaps and buying a new car, so I guess that 190HP monster isn't good enough for him.

 

What about that guy who had the carbon fiber body and did 180. Did he hit a tree and shatter the car?

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82 Firebird with a 2.8

87 Chevy K20 4x4 TBI pickup

71 Olds Cutlass S My ongoing project. Olds
350 with a th350

 

That was JJStealth2000. Go read his post I think in the racing section. You'll have to find it in the archives. I haven't seen/heard him around here anywhere.

 

geez...thats funny. If u look at all his posts, they all change and the lie becomes bigger. He has a engineering degree and works for boeing etc, he owns 20 different cars, he owns 2 cars themselves worth 50k, he has 4 new cars, he made a carbon fiber body with all this "custom" stuff on it.

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, 4th Gen Seats

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Hey Graemes, if you look at some other ones, he asks about swapping his monster 2.8 out for a 305 and says he can't afford a wiring harness for a new engine.

 

custom pistons from ross 10 to 1 for a 3.1
3.1 crank(crank and piston change displacement to 3.2)
2.8 rods
full ported and polished heads
1.6 roller rockers
v-6 big bore throttle body(55mm)
ported exhaust
crane 2030 cam
adj. fuel pressure regulator
fuel rail from fiero
fuel injectors from 305 tpi
custom chip
engine balanced and blue printed
I have never done this for f-body but I have done this for my 85 fiero gt and my 86 fiero gt
85 4 spd 226hp 234 tq
86 auto 217hp 228 tq
the 2.8 block is the same for both cars just starter hole on different sides

 

Its cool Jason, no problem.

225HP can be had out of a 2.8, I have seen a lot of Fieros with that, but they have been bored, ported and camed pretty good, and some require race gas because of such a high compression.

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

 

hey jason E, what will the four barrel carb do for it? and how much will it cost along with a new manifold?

 

A 4 bbl carb will do for a V6 the same it will for a V8...by allowing more fuel into the motor, you'll get more power out. I would assume because it is made for a 2.8, there should be no problems giving the motor too much gas...its a 450 CFM if I remember correctly.

Go to Edlebrock's website and have a look. I KNOW they make them and the matching manifold, but as I own MPFI, I know nothing about them. Good luck!!

 

You will need more airflow to use that 4bbl. Remember that it will now be a wet intake manifold meaning that the velocity of the air entering the carb will dictate you ability to mix the fuel with the air. You will definatly want a GOOD cold air package for it, not an open element set up.
I would imagine to this will mean that you engine will need to pull more air than a stock one. So head work will be need.

Just my $.02

 

I searched the archives & found the message, for the rest of you curious people (like me) - it's at: https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/000453.html That was funny as hell...

On a tech note, has ANYONE put the 4bbl carb on a 2.8? I always hear about it, but haven't seen anyone with it. Ohh... wait.... there was a guy, "back in the day" at http://www.v6fbody.com ... Ken something? He did the 2.8 -> 3.4 AND mpfi -> carb conversion to his 3rd gen... I think he sold the car tho, and I have no idea what the webpage (with pictures) is/was. He had a nice page, too... step-by-step pictures of it all.


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