ok so last night i decided to do the worlds biggest burnout So i got in N revin real high slam it into OD WHAM Huge burnout CLUNK CLUNK CLANG SOmethin happpend axle something cant go over 5k wibrations are too much grinding noises HELP PLEASE need to know what it is !!!

 

Sounds like u destroyed your trans! For looking in the forum, you should have known thats the ABSOLUTE WORST THING TO DO TO MAKE A BURNOUT.

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1989 Firebird. Modded.
700r4-->t5 w/ram clutch
Cold air, 1.6 rockers, 21lb injectors, 3" y-pipe, random tech cat, 3" ipipe, flowmaster 80 series 3" in 3" out hand made stainless tips, Lakewood LCA's, Msd 6a, Msd coil, Wonder Bar, 180* stat,
Coming Soon: T/a hood, Painted,Spohn Panhard Bar, 4thgen Front Seats, Cam!, Msd 8.5 wires, Posi (ACCEL IS CRAP)
"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
See my car Here!
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

Not to flame, but what the HELL!! were you thinking? Well we live and we learn, sorry to hear what happened.

 

I wish I could have seen that. I've never seen a $700 burnout before.

 

85firebird
dont feel bad man , I did that when I was young , but I did not blow my trannie...it just made that horrible wham noise lol .I never did it again after that
You live and learn 85firebird , its bad but could be worse .

 

Its not the tranny Its in the real end. I can roll fast just no RPM its in the rear end im shure of it. i know im dumb. DOnt flame HELP

 

hmm.. i dont think so man... i think its in the trans. Our cars are NOT putting enough power into the rear end to worry about breaking anything....

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1989 Firebird. Modded.
700r4-->t5 w/ram clutch
Cold air, 1.6 rockers, 21lb injectors, 3" y-pipe, random tech cat, 3" ipipe, flowmaster 80 series 3" in 3" out hand made stainless tips, Lakewood LCA's, Msd 6a, Msd coil, Wonder Bar, 180* stat,
Coming Soon: T/a hood, Painted,Spohn Panhard Bar, 4thgen Front Seats, Cam!, Msd 8.5 wires, Posi (ACCEL IS CRAP)
"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
See my car Here!
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

If it's really in the rearend, the best you can do is take off the cover and look. Any number if things could have happened. Spend the money, buy a gasket and gear oil, then investigate. The fluid probably needs changed anyway.

Worst case scenario, you don't check and grenade the spider gears or have a ring & pinion explosion. Either way 90% of the time those will take out the whole rearend.

 

87RS402, THAT WAS THE BEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ!!!!!!
Oh, If it's the rear.
You won't move. Period.
I know I blew a rear.
So did my Brother, too
His was great.
BIG RPM, let out clutch, BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His car, 1961 Corvette, 4-speed.
Racing a Ferrari!
ME!
My 1975 Opel Fuel Injected Sport Wagon.
I hit ice, was doing doughnuts on the freeway, had it under control, until I hit a dry spot of pavement, SWING!!!! into the curb.
Started car, was ok. Drove it, it was ok....driving, feeling like I'm driving on the railroad tracks, not the RAILS!!!!!! RPMs GO UP, I don't move.
IF YA MOVE, you only have a few more feet until.
Don't waste the effort. Find a tranny shop & GO THERE QUICK!!
Sorry to hear, but, ya learn HARD.
Been there.
PS, next time use the brake, to launch. It's cheaper!!
Never saw a $700 burnout! LOVED IT!!!
IF I'd never been there (destroying a rear end!), I'd really feel for ya.
I still do, but, been there, already.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

This is 85firebird_nitro
OK i spent the whole night under my car last night. Tranny is fine im takin it into the shop soon. my mechanic is away on vacation so im "not in luck" stupid not being able to swear, for now.


Any ideas or help wanted eh.

 

Oh and its not like my car being a piece of ****. Its a rear end metal on metal sound I had it jacked up and spun the rear axle and held my ear up to the diff and no grinding Cheaked all the drive shaft joints, they were fine. Suspention components. I doubght i twisted axle lol. uhmm i took the wheels off and started the car on the jack right Put it in drive ITS FIne so when theres no pressure on wheels its fine BUT it when i accell I get The worlds biggest vibrations Like huge And metal grinding sound from the back Like S hit i dunno Any ideas. Im gonna get it on a lift couple days i cant even drive it. ideas? things to cheak?

 

Pop off the rear cover.
Only way ya gonna know good/bad news.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

ARE YOU SURE IT'S IN THE REAR?
What about the torque convertor/flexplate?
Go get a wood dowl, LONG about 14" and put it on places you think the noise is.
2nd choice, LONG screwdriver, same test.
You'll find it!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Im totally shure its in the rear I can feal it. Wood dowel Explain? I dont get it Like hmm the alighment on the wheels is totally off. i think thats the metal grinding sound some of it. When the car is in motion i stand behind it and both wheels ride straight no wobble So it cant be bent rear axle. possible driveshaft Maybe some rubbing or sumthing its really confusing When i hit like 3000 rpm The vibrations are huge like HUGE so maybe thats axle. The burnout wasent that bad. bout 6000 rpm ANd it was Wet out. i think its just bad luck bolts comin off or sumthing. still need help thanx ked85

[This message has been edited by Bird With NoS (edited September 01, 2001).]

 

'nuff said!

 

uh huh. rear cover got it

 

When you place a LONG screwdriver up against a surface, NOISE TRAVELS to the other end.
TEST!
Take the screwdriver & place it against the alternator, while the engine is running.
Place the RUBBER TIPPED end against your ear area.
You'll hear noise. NOW try this IDEA to the underside of your car.
SOMEHOW DO THIS IDEA SAFELY!!!!!!!!
YOU'LL Have to figure that angle out THE SAFETY ANGLE!
You can accomplish this idea also with a wooden dowl, kinda thin/thick. Listen for the noise.

Beyond what ya've already done, 5000 RPM NEUTRAL DROPS, please figure out away to check your problem safely.
WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YA DESTROYED !!!!!
Destroying is cool.
I still have my #1 piston with the 1 1/2" HOLE IN THE CENTER!!!!!! I blew my engine!! BIG TIME!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Thanks Ked85 Ill update tommorow on progress with what i busted. for sum reason i dont think i messed it up real bad. maybe im just hopin.

 

Not to blast your hopes, but I think you're just in denial too. Neutral drops break stuff. Period. But here's some explination as to why people jump on the tranny first.

GM 60* V6: Pretty damn bulletproof.
60* 700r4: Sucks. Frequently grenade.
Driveshaft: *shrug*
V6 Rearend: Isn't actually a v6 rearend, it's a v8 spec rear end. Very strong.

Going by common logic, where's the weakest link here?

And the people who understand just how strong our rears are generally will blame anything on the transmission first without a second thought. I know I would.

$700 burnout is nothing. I saw a $2000 burnout once. Not only did he crack the tranny (fluid everywhere, big mess), but he grenaded the engine simultaneously. Lotsa coolant, a little oil, no vroom, plus the trans fluid.. when the puddle spread out to settle it covered a little over 40 square feet of asphalt. We had no choice but to laugh at this fool. And by the way, THIS is what a neutral drop can really do.

 

ok so maybe im hoping but then why the major metal grinding coming from the real right wheel why the virations coming from rear. why the H ELL does it still move? Oh well if i messed the tranny just means new tranny with shift kit. while im at it might as well bore cylenders out and cams headers and all eh. think positive right

 

i had to post again i want one of those fire things on my topic sH UT it im not a child

 

DAMN no fire thing uhmm car broke GADNiwhbsgifdshgifdsjhfidajhfjdihjfsi MADNESS

 

Chill out, you got a flaming thing...

So, did ya pop the cover yet?

 

I have learned to hard way what even nailing the trottle at a stop can do to a turbo 350 in my 76 chevy G20 with a HD HO 350. Well it spun the 31-10.50-15's for a good 35-40 feet then KA-BOOOOOOOOOOM no go. heard metal falling(yes falling). Turns out I blew the greas out of the damn thing. So I out in a turbo 400.... KA-BOOOOOOOOM same thing.Only 6 months later. OK a built 700R4 and I mean built right. lasts around 9 months then going down the highway and it shifts down from 4 to 2nd(I think) and refuses to shift. Go back to the builder and get the tranny replaced and he does replace it simply beacuse he was positive that the 350 with over 300k on it could not have blown that tranny. Well he tells me to try to blow it again so I try to and 4 months later.... well it got replaced again from shear amazement, but he warns not again. So I sell it. The van that is.

 

I mentioned this story to my BRother in law, last night. We were drinking vodka & juice (seabreeze). HE BUSTED UP SO HAD> Proceeded to tell me his story.
He had a1971 Mach One 4-speed. Wanted to impress his visiting friend from outta country.
VROOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM-SCREEEEEEEEEEEEECH-BLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM!
He destroyed the u-joint, shoved the drive shaft into the tail of the top loader.
He was pretty impressed.
Shoved it in, so hard, that they took the tranny, bolted it to a lamp post. MOVED The LAMP POST! trying to remove the drive shaft with a car, spinning tires. Eventually it let loose.
Put on a new u-joint, replaced the tranny in car & drive shaft.

U R NOT ALONE !!!!!!!
MAYBE you broke one axle?
Lift up rear, (again, no fun to hurt yourself!), spin a tire.

These rear axle housings (pumpkins) are based upon the VEGA (GM "H" series vehicles). Yes, true.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Right Now i cant pull the cover off the diff cuz i dont got the pump to put the oil back in. Uhm but the thing is my car still Runs FIne Still goes into P R N OD D 2 1 all of em ANd no odd tranny noises. i dont know i really dont i dont wana spend the money to take it to a specialist and my mechanic who does my work 4 free dosent get back till the weekend.

 

Assuming that the noise is not just brake dragging, it sounds to me like you bent/broke that axle. The symptoms sound the same as what happened to one of my Dad's cars (sans neutral drop). He broke the axle with out really doing anything, it just broke when he pulled away from a stop. He could still drive the car but the rear made a lot of snapping noise.

I would take it to a trustworthy mechanic and tell them to diagnose the problem and if it is just an axle problem then you can fix it yourself, it is not too difficult.

My $0.02
Dale



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1986 FireBird
2.8L MPFI
1/2 CAI
Gutted Cat, No muffler
Was 700-R4 --> Now T5

Great cars aren't bought, they are built

 

You don't need a pump to put the axle lube back in. The gear lube containers have a long tip to 'em; shove an old piece of fuel hose over the tip. Put the hose into the axle fill hole, and squeeze the bottle. Oh- you'll need two bottles, by the way. If you can't figure out which weight of gear lube to go with, 85w90 is what I use.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

 

axle is most likely i gtg out of town and i ran out of money to work on it so ill be back the 13th to update what happened i think its axle

 

where do u guys live if any close u can come help me diagnose this problem its really weird

 

Ok i just got an idea, Would it be possible for me to have brokin the tranny mounts so its kinda banging against the car causing vibrating and noises and all that. in my mind that makes sense

 

Dude, you really need to get dirty on this... we can throw out ideas all night, but you're the only one that can find out what's wrong.

If you think your trans mount is busted, crawl under the car. Try to bench-press the tailshaft of the trans (right before the driveshaft) to the sky. Don't worry, you don't need to be super-strong to do this; a slight push is all that's needed. If you can push the trans up towards the floor, the trans mount is shot.

Also look where your exhaust pipe comes near your driveshaft for evidence of contact.

Also check the torque arm mount (bushing) at the transmission.

Also check your upper shock mounts.

Also get the transmission checked out.

And I wouldn't be driving the car around while it's doing this...


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

 

BE SMART AND LAZY. GET IT TO A SHOP FOR THEIR SOLUTION. IT'LL COST YA ....MAYBE FREE!!!!!
AND IT'S 100% SAFER THAN ANY MORE EFFORT FOR YOU FINDING SOLUTION.
Besides I/We want ya around to tells us what happened.
Be wise, my friend!
Spend the pennies.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

This whole post is friggen hilarious

I really have nothing useful to add, just that incidents like this make me cringe at the thought of what my '97 went through before I got it, no matter how flawless it looks

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
-Medium Grey Metallic
-2.8, A4, T-tops, 94k miles
-Hypertech chip, Accel wires/coil/K&Ns
-Alpine 60x4 and Bostons

'97 Z28
-30th Anniversary package (white with orange stripes)
-LT1, M6, t-tops, 45k miles
-Eclipse CD and 10" Aluminum sub in JL Audio Stealth box, Boston RM speakers, Xtant 403a amp

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

2 days till she goes in shop il post what happends

 

I was wondering what happened.
Beyond that, it's now an education.
Enjoy it and be there when they show ya what ya did.
You could always say you hit a water spot, then a dry spot.
You're paying thenm for an evaluation, not laughing at ya.
YOU LET US DO THAT HERE!!!! (J/K)

Good luck!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Have you been driving it all this time??

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

 

Nope its been parked this whole time. Its stayin parked until it goes to shop then im gettin it towed to the shop on a dolly just incase i dont want to break more so yea soon ill tell what happens

 

I had a similar problem when I tried to do a bur-out in my car. I revved the engine popped the clutch & heard a crack and then major grinding, thought oh **** i've totally trashed my car. I spent the night at my cousins house so I could jack up the car & check it the next morning, found nothing while the car was up on jackstands - no grinding, nothing. So I drove it home that night with lots of grinding, meanwhile I'm totally freaking out (I had just gotten the car)

Anyhow, When I got home & checked the car more thouroghly I found that the torque-bar had litterally snapped at the rear end, the grinding sound was the dricveshaft not connecting properly to the tranny. Cost me a whole $5 for a new torque bar from the wreckers.

Worth a try

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Black 87 2.8l Camaro

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/z2point8l?d&.flabel=fld1&.src=ph

Aka Z2point8

 

Canaidian guy are u talking Rear Sway bar Or what. Wheres this bar located I cheaked almst everything i cant see nothing broken or anything.

 

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[This message has been edited by Project: 85 2.8 bird (edited September 14, 2001).]

 

The torque bar runs along the driveshaft from the tranny to the rear differential. On my car I couldn't tell if it was broken right away either, the best way to check is to look under your car when it's on the ground, if the drive-shaft looks like it's too far out (more than 1") then it's a possibility the torque bar is broken

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Black 87 2.8l Camaro
Soon to be 305/5.0

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/z2point8l?d&.flabel=fld1&.src=ph

Aka Z2point8

 

that kinda seems to fit Because before this whole problem whenever the car exelerated really fast Like off the boot. There was a clunk In the rear and it seemed like the back of the car popped up or something like that. No its not that bad. I had to replace the read Right Axle a while back. And the seals. Redone all the brakes New rad. Hoses Plugs wires pretty much every single sensor on the thing is new. also a Question. U guys know how the auto 85 birds dont have any guadges Just "Dummy Lights" U guys think it would look stupid If i get a A pillar and stuff Mount Rpm,water temp,fuel press,oil temp, etc... I dunno just a thought. Car goes to shop soo soon i just want it fixed. When my cars broke all i get to drive is my dads 2001 Durango Fully Loaded huge V8 its horrible peace

 

Ok, it's been 2 days... respond... :P

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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

 

Oh my *** , So my luck has gone to S HIT my mechanic. Is too busy to fix my car so i haveto wait a week before He can look at it. Cuz he does all the work for free. SO C RAP

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1985 Firebird.She's X-rated
-Custom Ram-Air Intake
-7mm MSD Plug wires
-Splitfire Plugs
More to Come...
Im so Anti Mustang

 

That S*cks... Good luck man.

 

"When my cars broke all i get to drive is my dads 2001 Durango Fully Loaded huge V8 its horrible peace"

When my car is broken, Like it is now, I get to drive my mom's '92 RS/305. I don't Think I'll ever fix my car LOL

 

Hey canaidianGuy U wanna hook up With cars sum time Maybe work Sumthin like that. I need A 3rd gen buddy to relate to Maybe even hit sum street strips in richmond FU CKIN ricers hehehehe

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1985 Firebird.She's X-rated
-Custom Ram-Air Intake
-7mm MSD Plug wires
-Splitfire Plugs
More to Come...
Im so Anti Mustang

 

For the axle, jack it up, and leave it in park, if the wheels turn opposite to each other I'd say look deeper (tranny).

Also, this grinding from the rear-end, this might sound stupid, but I've seen rear control arms rip out, and then the one wheel will rub, but when you park the car it sits perfect. But when driving it will drive you nuts. So when the car is jacked up, pull back on the right wheel.

(Don't neutral drop, Brake burn
If you want to do a big burnout, Put the donut on the back, it saves you money on tires, there a dime a dosin, no power needed to turn, and when smoke is rolling everyone is happy.

 

this was happening to me once too...Turns out i broke a transmission mount and i locked up a rear brake caliper ???? i guess do to the stress or something...Either way it made my tranny hop and one of my wheels not to turn...i thought my drive shaft was coming out of the tranny or i had bent it or something...then i realized, hmm i'm driving a 307 not a 350 haha...hope that helps...sorry bout your luck though..it'll drive you crazy trying to find out what it is

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Very soon, Centerforce clutch and 100 shot of Nitrous
1998 Ford Ranger 3.0 Cold air intake and flowmaster exhaust.