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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:02 PM
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Very good questions.

I bought new GM horns. They have studs out the back. I drilled holes in the flat plate just behind the nose. You know, the place where you put all your tools while working on the car!

Got under the car and pushed the studs up through the plate. Need someone to put the lock nut on for you. Ran new wires to the horns. Perfect!

The vacuum canister was relocated. Will post photos from Willie's set up. Same place on a TA or Firebird.

Hope this helps!
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:03 PM
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Vacuum canister installed.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:51 PM
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Ooh I know. The plate that the hood latch spring rests on. So you mounted them under there, huh. That seeme like a good place.

Thanks for the pics. I might need to ask more questions as my project moves along. Thanks again.
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Old Jun 25, 2003 | 08:55 PM
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No Problem.

Just let me know.
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Old Jul 11, 2003 | 10:31 PM
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Just to update everyone, I ordered the progressive Alky kit today from SMC Enterprises.

Steve (The Owner) was very helpful and we spoke for some time concerning tuning issues.

Due to the lack of space in the engine compartment I needed to place the fill bottle under the hood latch area behind the front bumper. Steve provided the additional braided steel hose and wiring at no extra charge!

I should get the kit in about 2 weeks. However, I am going to take my time installing it as the weather is really bad this time of year in southern Louisiana.

Once everything is installed, it will take a little more time to get it tuned properly for optimum alky output. Too little alky and it will still knock, too much and it will bog the engine.

The progressive unit is a little easier to tune as it increases the pump speed as boost increases.

I am using this unit to insure zero detonation with the new 15# pulley.

I will update once I begin the install.
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Old Dec 14, 2003 | 07:33 PM
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The alky kit has been installed and works great!

I just installed the 3.40" pulley with the help of my wife. I had to remove the driver's side top bolt, the two passenger side bolts and loosen the bottom driver's side bolt of the blower to get the belt onto the pulley. I then pulled the blower into place and she threaded and tightened the two larger bolts. I took it from there.

The correct belt for the D-1SC with a 3.40" pulley is a NAPA 25080635: Length= 64.50".

The belt rides on the pulleys just fine.

I took it out for a ride and was able to get 12# boost . Too much traffic to go all out. ATI expects the blower to produce 15# on my set up.

According to ATI, this will give me approximately 460 FWHP. Not too bad for the little 305!

I plan on tuning the alky injection over the holidays to ensure that I am getting zero knock.

This is the end of my project. Hope others will benefit from my experience.

Happy holidays!

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Old Dec 28, 2003 | 09:33 PM
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If you get board I just bought a 92 Z28, 305TPI.
How about I ship it down there and you do another one
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Old Dec 28, 2003 | 11:29 PM
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If you were a little closer, I'd help you set it up right!

T-5 is doing fine, but I try to treat it well.

I did not update this post yet with the latest news, but I had to go back to the 10 # pulley. The added air flow at idle was causing problems during cold weather.

Looks like I will need to be content with 343 RWHP!

Keep me updated on your projects.
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 06:28 AM
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Mypontiac,
How did you mount your battery. I see from your pictures you slid it over towards the radiator, but there is a lip there in the floor. Did you put something underneith the battery? Did you use the stock bolt hole and battery clamp? Any pics? Thanks for any info?
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 04:14 PM
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'91 Formula,

The ATI kit comes with a relocation kit. Basically a aluminum block that allows you to offset the battery and install the stock hold down clamp.
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Old Sep 29, 2004 | 06:26 AM
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Cool Thanks for the information.

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Old Oct 8, 2004 | 06:41 AM
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Do you know the size or how thick the block is. If not, no biggie. I'll figure something out. Thanks again.
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Old Oct 8, 2004 | 09:51 PM
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It would be too difficult to measure as there is just no room to access it with the battery in. And taking the battery out would require removal of too many things that have been adjusted and set in place.

You should just contact ProCharger for the dimensions. Wouldn't hurt to give it a try.

Contact Dorian in the tech department and tell him that Sean with the 1991 TA recommended him.
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by '91 Formula
Do you know the size or how thick the block is. If not, no biggie. I'll figure something out. Thanks again.
in about 2weeks i should have mine and i can measure for you, however don't kow if you can wait.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 06:50 AM
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in about 2weeks i should have mine and i can measure for you, however don't kow if you can wait.
Cool thanks. Yeah when ever you get it thats fine. I'm still tring to find time to work on this project.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 01:07 PM
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Does anyone have a pic of this relocation block? I bought my kit used so I wouldn't mine seeing how ATI did there's.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 06:01 PM
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Does anyone have a pic of this relocation block? I bought my kit used so I wouldn't mine seeing how ATI did there's.
in about 1 week
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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OK Boys as Promised:

Here is a picture of the block:
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:16 AM
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Here is it in the car (passenger side in my case) Corner thru hole, is where it bolts to the stock location. Center hole is threaded to match the bolt that you will use to thighten hold down with.
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 09:17 AM
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Here is a quick drawing with dimensions of block.
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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Wow! Thanks Novass. Especially the dimensions. I think I will use them to make my own from scrap aluminum we have at work.

Thanks again
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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Thanks novass!!!
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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No problem, That is what makes this board so great! The more people taking the time to lend a hand, the better the board gets!
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 06:28 PM
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I am selling my very nice 1991 Convertible TA with D-1SC Procharger. Search Mypontiac for history of car.

The stock crank snout fractured and I do not have the time to work on the rebuild.

The car has the following items:
D-1SC Procharger with Willie's custom intercooler system
SLP Stainless Steel headers and 3" exhaust
Crane Cam for supercharger
SLP intake runners
SLP air foil
Custom High Performance chip
Crane roller rockers
TPIS big mouth intake
Accel 23# injectors
Racetronix high flow/pressure fuel pump and wiring harness
All new ignition items (wires, cap, rotor, etc)
MSD Digital Ignition System
MSD Boost Retard
SMC Alky Injection System
QA1 Adjustable Racing Shocks
Nitto Drag Radials Front and Back
Spohn Panhard Bar, Lower Control Arms, and Torque Arm
Polyurethane Bushings on Sway Bars
FJO Air/Fuel Ratio (real readings)
Boost Gauge and Fuel Pressure Gauge in Driver's side pillar post


Dyno chart from Thunder Racing:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...yno4-25-03.jpg

Interior is new with leather seats.

New canvas contertible top.

GM CD Player with Subwoofer

Search for Mypontiac for history of car and photos.

Asking $10,000 or best resonable offer.

Mypontiac

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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WOW sorry to hear that. The same thing happened to me a while ago, It took me 3 years before I finally got working on a new motor

LOL. I still have not finished my intercooler install.

Good luck with the sale.

Let me know if you decide to part out the car.

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Is it me or can anybody else not get that dyno chart?
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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Try the link now.

I repasted it.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 10:00 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

OK I'm back!

Had a rebuild started about 1.5 years ago. Tried to get the original 305 rebuilt keeping with the Willie era, but it was shot.

So I went with a 350 rebuild will all forged internals. Did not want to go through another engine failure from the SC.

The mechanic did not do a good job placing the wiring and insulating the plug wires from the headers.

Had a fire running the car in the garage. Got it out, but need to replace some wiring and plug wires.

Plan on being back in action in a few weeks!

Glad to be back!

Too bad Premium will break the bank!!!!

Sean
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Sean, glad to see you are back. You said the stock crank snout fractured on the old engine. Was that the stock 305 crank? Have you used a forged crank this time? Is it one with with a BBC style snout?

I've been erring towards getting a Procharger for some time now, but I find the idea of snapping crank snouts quite frightening!

Good luck with the new combo! Let us know how the dyno numbers and track times work out.

Best wishes.
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Hi Dr G,

Well basically, I originally was going to rebuild the 305 with all forged internals.

But living in the New Orleans area I was limited to available options after Hurricane Katrina.

I sent the car off to Baton Rouge and had a mechanic there begin the rebuild.

The 305 was shot so he found a 350 to rebuild.

We updated the heads and added all forged internals.

Ended up putting over $9,000 into it.

He was having many troubles trying to align the belt of the SC and kept asking for more $$$$.

I told him I am tapped out and that is it. So I think he ended up giving me a sloppy final assembly.

Had an engine fire because the plug wires were too close to the headers.

Am doing the repairs to the damage now.

Hoping to get back on the road in a few weeks.

At least the engine does start quickly and feels strong.

The 305 snout broke while driving on the interstate at cruising speed.

Willie had similar problems as his snout broke at idle.

Guess this is the risk we take.

I have the SC back on as it is just a joy to drive with it.

Hopefully I will get to enjoy it for a while!!!!

Sean
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 07:19 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

So how much did this setup cost?
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 12:16 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Of course the ProCharger was about $4,000 at the time I purchased the kit.

But you will need to do additional upgrades to the ignition (MSD type ignition), better coil, plug wires, etc. Also, add a high flow fuel pump to the tank.

Then I added better valve springs, rocker arms, cam, etc.

You can see the list of mods a few posts up.

I don't want to think of how much I have into it now, but I am sure you can guess!

Sean
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Old May 12, 2008 | 11:21 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Hey folks!

For the record I am on the road again!

All I can say is that I am soooo glad to still have this rare and special TA.

Thanks to all for the help in building this special TA.

Hopefully the forged engine will last for awhile!
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good to see you back.
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

I made some progress this weekend getting some mods completed on the TA.

I finished the installation of my new alky injection tank and injection nozzle. This required the relocation of the carbon canister, which I also completed.

The unit is the new Progressive Controller and pump system from SMC.

I also recently installed a remote solenoid kit to (hopefully) eliminate hot start problems.

I plan on doing final wiring for the controller and having the TA back on the street this week!

Hope everyone has a Happy Easter!
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

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I made some progress this weekend getting some mods completed on the TA.
.... Happy Easter!
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Happy Easter! You have to let me see it next time I'm down that way!
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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No problem!

Am considering getting a few panels repainted (lower door moldings, bumpers and trunk lid). Everything else was repainted since I have owned the car and still looks good.

Once I feel good about the mechanics I plan on driving it a few days a week.

Still need to break the new engine in!
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Originally Posted by mypontiac
Here is a couple of pics of the first twin intercooled 3rd Generation TA ProCharger set up. Thanks to list member Willie, Dorain at ProCharger and Dave at http://www.tenperf.com/header.htm

Enjoy!!!!
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Thanks 3.4 Grape!

I've been working on this TA for a while now trying to keep it SCed and on the road.

Willie had his share of challanges too.

It's great when everything comes together though!
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Is there a way to still get this kit?????
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Dorian helped Willie and I put the package together.

Unless he is still with ATI, there is no one there to help.

Basically, Willie ordered a bunch of parts and made it himself. They shipped me the same parts and I used photos frrom Willie as a guide to put it all together.

It was never a stand alone kit.

Dorian was nice enough to help with our endevors.

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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

im pretty sure i got the last twin high flow setup... got it from larry at assc racing ...and right after i got my kit doran left ati ...
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

You would think in this economy that they would look for ways to make money and offer the option. I have been eyeballing the ATI TPI SC kits. I actually had one of the very first modded ATI D1 kits on a C5. If you check my sig you can see what a Twin IC ATI D1 Blower looked like with the Rad titled back to allow for cold air induction into the blower....since that time they increased the CFM of the Twin IC's for the C5 kit. If they could just piece that together with the existing TIP kit, it wouldn't probably take a lot to make it work with the TPI cars. But ATI never had very good customer service for the C5 guys in the early days...makes be skeptical about going with one of their products anyway.

If you think about it, this guy Willie did a lot of R&D for them and they didn't have the sense to adopt the design like they did with the C5 kit after a couple of years.

Oh well I may have to just turbo my car since there are no other SC setups with an intercooler.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:21 PM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

Hey guys,

After all these years I have decided to finally sell the TA. It is currently on ebay. Still running strong with less than 5000 miles on the forged 350.

I have it listed at a very low starting bid considering how much I have into it. But we know how that goes. Our love relationship with power adding!

Sean
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Old Mar 21, 2015 | 09:48 AM
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Re: Not trying to brag, but introducing the first twin intercooled 3rd gen TA ProChar

What size was that 10 psi pulley that you first used, as well as the 15 psi pulley they sent you?

-thanks
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